On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:24:21 -0400 Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:

In my lexicon, Marxism denotes a failed 20th century political model based on 19th century industrial economics, surviving into the 21st century as a sterile debating society for pseudo-intellectuals.

Yes and no. The current political system is pretty much 'marxist' and becoming more so by the day. Just look at what % of the economy is directly or slightly indirectly controlled by the government. How close the system is to a police state, especially in 'cyberspace' And look at how popular is the idea that 'society' must be 'scientifically' ruled by 'scientists'.

But then I'm an anarchist:

But marxism is anarchist too! First they set up a totalitarian state, and then it magically vanishes...ha ha ha...

I like general models applicable to a wide range of dynamic systems; don't like rigid, dogmatic, prescriptive models.

I interpret "social chaos in Western society" as a result of several driving factors: Commercial marketing strategies creating pseudo-tribal identities for consumers, to sell them must-have and constantly changing gang identity and specialized status symbol products; political propaganda in a "divide the conquered" strategy that incites conflicts between these pseudo-tribes to keep them busy fighting among themselves; and cut-throat competition within and between these pseudo-tribes, as systematic looting by the very rich gradually reduces all of them to poverty. Add constant, pervasive propaganda proving that things only money can buy define the worth of a human being, that nonconformity is a disease, and that violence solves problems (turn on a TV and stand back). Viola: Social chaos, made to order.

Well, that's the mercantilistic/corporatist side of things, but it doesn't go against extensive central planning anyway.

Ask a True Believer and they will tell you that this post is a passionate defense of Marxism, and that I am a Race Traitor who deserves to be tortured and killed as a lesson and warning to others. That's not my hyperbole; it's a nearly direct quote from one of them.

=P

:o)

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On 9/11/16 10:24 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:

On 09/11/2016 06:10 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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This is a link packed quick ref for those who might want to get up to speed with a few concepts. So although short, for those not up to speed, perhaps schedule a good hour or so.

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Cultural Marxism – Social Chaos 'I believe in nothing and am tolerant of everything!' Understanding the Social Chaos in Western Society "A summary of the social chaos of cultural Marxism - sold as a multicultural, diverse and equality based utopia" http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/understanding-social-chaos-weste rn-society/ri16371

(The author is a UK citizen and an English and social science teacher

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living in SE Asia. Не currently works in China)

And that makes him an expert in American and Western culture? Seems like a bozo who is failing to keep step with cultural evolution, including Supreme Court rulings and evolution of rights. He's not getting his way, so he's explaining why the system is wrong. Things are not turning out the way they want, so there must be chaos, by definition. Wrong and wrong. I can understand why people would get the wrong idea from watching the news, various fights, and vitriol. But, in most places in the US most of the time, the number of people in gangs committing crimes or otherwise acting out is minuscule. A few people scream and shout when something is up for discussion, then, for the most part, it's all over once a final decision has been made. Varies a little by area, but for something like 90% of the population, there is little conflict nearby.

I will have to read that article again and see if it makes more or different sense with repetition.

On the first pass I saw a dreary, oft-repeated propaganda screed composed of buzzwords about buzzwords, apparently aimed at an audience who need a constant supply of circular arguments to define and condemn their most hated enemies: People who may happen to look like "one of them" but fail to hate, fear and endorse the murder of people who don't happen to look like them. In their lexicon Marxist simply means "people we hate who must be killed."

In my lexicon, Marxism denotes a failed 20th century political model based on 19th century industrial economics, surviving into the 21st century as a sterile debating society for pseudo-intellectuals. But then I'm an anarchist: I like general models applicable to a wide range of dynamic systems; don't like rigid, dogmatic, prescriptive models.

+1

I interpret "social chaos in Western society" as a result of several driving factors: Commercial marketing strategies creating pseudo-tribal identities for consumers, to sell them must-have and constantly changing gang identity and specialized status symbol products; political propaganda in a "divide the conquered" strategy that incites conflicts between these pseudo-tribes to keep them busy fighting among themselves; and cut-throat competition within and between these pseudo-tribes, as systematic looting by the very rich gradually reduces all of them to poverty. Add constant, pervasive propaganda proving that things only money can buy define the worth of a human being, that nonconformity is a disease, and that violence solves problems (turn on a TV and stand back). Viola: Social chaos, made to order.

Outside of gangs in Chicago, Oakland, etc., and some deep South areas that want to hang on to discrimination no matter what, it is hard to argue that there is any kind of "chaos". Things evolve, as they have been, and some people are on the wrong side of history. Commercialism, political tactics, and other manipulations, including religious, have to continually evolve and work to stay relevant. Although sometimes it takes far too long, eventually most people see through the tactics and become resistant. A lot of overhead has been squeezed out of the system, benefiting consumers in most cases. More evolution will help more than it hurts.

Ask a True Believer and they will tell you that this post is a passionate defense of Marxism, and that I am a Race Traitor who deserves to be tortured and killed as a lesson and warning to others. That's not my hyperbole; it's a nearly direct quote from one of them.

There's a reason that nobody listens to those people.

:o)

sdw

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 17:20:54 -0000 "Cypher Piggie" <oinker9003@mail2tor.com> wrote:

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have poisoned the west for 2000 years.

u poisend the list for all the years u been on it fucking usa citizen piece of shit jew hatin nazi TROLL

You mean, I treated worthless scumbags like you exactly the way they deserve to be treated. By the swine, I'm really sorry you haven't had an 'accident' yet.

2016-09-14 19:57 GMT+03:00 John Newman <jnn@synfin.org>:

I think Zen is doing an impression of a paid Russian troll living in St Petersburg and clocking in at the troll factory to spit out 10k words a day at CP.... ;)

Or maybe it's not an impression.

OR maybe you, John Newman, will fuck off with your usual shitty comments about Zen that never change. We got your "great point" 100 comments ago. Now, either you got something substantial to say about what Zen writes/posts, either you just SHUT THE FUCK UP and leave this Great Human Being with the name "Zenaan". (◣◢)┌∩┐