What happened to the old remailer network? It sounds like every single node came down, and new operators are needed?
On 6/11/21 06:31, Karl wrote:
What happened to the old remailer network?
It sounds like every single node came down, and new operators are needed?
http://www.tahina.priv.at/~cm/stats/ Four Mixmaster remailers still appear to be up, of the eleven being pinged by this site. -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 12:46 PM Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
On 6/11/21 06:31, Karl wrote:
What happened to the old remailer network?
It sounds like every single node came down, and new operators are needed?
http://www.tahina.priv.at/~cm/stats/
Four Mixmaster remailers still appear to be up, of the eleven being pinged by this site.
Thank you. I found the sentence "The CDR architecture is now defunct, though the list administrator stated in 2013 that he was exploring a way to integrate this functionality with the new mailing list software." on wikipedia at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypherpunk#Origin_of_the_term,_and_the_Cyphe... and must have misunderstood what it meant.
On 6/11/21 12:51, Karl Semich wrote:
Thank you. I found the sentence "The CDR architecture is now defunct, though the list administrator stated in 2013 that he was exploring a way to integrate this functionality with the new mailing list software." on wikipedia at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypherpunk#Origin_of_the_term,_and_the_Cyphe... <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypherpunk#Origin_of_the_term,_and_the_Cypherpunks_mailing_list> and must have misunderstood what it meant.
That's referring to having multiple mailing lists linked together for the cypherpunks list. Basically, you would mail one address and it would mail the other mailing lists, sort of like an old school FidoNet echomail board if you remember that. -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com
That's referring to having multiple mailing lists linked together for the cypherpunks list. Basically, you would mail one address and it would mail the other mailing lists, sort of like an old school FidoNet echomail board if you remember that.
I probably used fidonet and didn't realise what it was. I was pretty young when I dialed in to bbs's. Regarding CDR, I found https://web.jfet.org/cpunk/howto.html . It vaguely sounds to me like a CDR system could be revived by adding X-Loop header support to mailman. Not sure.
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 02:18:00PM -0400, Karl Semich wrote:
That's referring to having multiple mailing lists linked together for the cypherpunks list. Basically, you would mail one address and it would mail the other mailing lists, sort of like an old school FidoNet echomail board if you remember that.
I probably used fidonet and didn't realise what it was. I was pretty young when I dialed in to bbs's.
Regarding CDR, I found https://web.jfet.org/cpunk/howto.html . It vaguely sounds to me like a CDR system could be revived by adding X-Loop header support to mailman. Not sure.
Mechanisms for linking together multiple lists, whether or not they are all using Mailman, are fairly well understood. In the case of Cypherpunks, the CDR description you found worked pretty well, as I recall (as a subscriber, not a list administrator at that time). If you are keen to restart remailers for Cypherpunks, probably you'll need to give thought to who, what, where, why? ("How" is important, but not that hard.) I think it would be valuable to have one or two remailers, with slightly different policies and technologies, simply to enhance the list resilience in the event of a failure on our (current) single node. It's only valuable if someone else actually runs the thing, and it's even more valuable if it is substantially different (different physical location, different software, etc.). ~ Greg
Mechanisms for linking together multiple lists, whether or not they are all using Mailman, are fairly well understood.
Well, I don't know them =) I looked into mailman and found it reviews the existing List-Post header (which I learned is a normalisation upgrade from X-Loop and x-BeenThere) to prevent mail loops, so I'm considering that one could simply subscribe the lists to each other and mirroring would run fine. In the case of Cypherpunks, the CDR description you found worked pretty
well, as I recall (as a subscriber, not a list administrator at that time).
If you are keen to restart remailers for Cypherpunks, probably you'll need to give thought to who, what, where, why? ("How" is important, but not that hard.)
Seems these are important things to do even when you're not sure of the reason. I'm guessing the missing bit would be to automatically subscribe to a peer list during setup, so people can configure them swiftly. It would be nice to have signed digests of preceding list mails in a header somewhere to make it clear when mail is dropped by a connection issue. It would also be nice to have permanent storage of archives. With more people running servers more people can possibly implement such things. Similarly with variety of location, other technologies, etc.
There is quick information on running mailman on docker at https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman#running It would be great to, eventually, get the list onto blockchains so that everybody stays connected. Here are the instructions for running mailman from the link: $ apt install docker.io docker-compose $ mkdir -p /opt/mailman/core $ mkdir -p /opt/mailman/web $ git clone https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman $ cd docker-mailman # Change some configuration variables $ docker-compose up -d
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