I'm doing some signing.
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Okay, maybe I can get this damn thing to work!!! 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I'm trying to implement public-key message signing with Mailvelope software, not with much success so far. I haven't really done signficant amounts of encryption since the 1990's, not much even then, and then I used PGP, and not with an email client. I realize that I don't have a public key available; I'd like to publish it, but there probably haven't been any key-signings nearby. I'm trying to (re-) learn the bare bones of this. This is my second attempt. The first attempt at signing simply lost my message, for reasons entirely unknown. I'd like to prove who I am. At least initially, I though of using a Skype call, jimbell887, to talk to a few of the more credible people around here. That will, at least, reduce the level of doubt until I can get up to speed on this very irritating software. I will put this message, and then have a signed copy of this message. I'd like to somehow include a copy of my public key, but as I said, I cannot yet figure out how do to that. 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On 09/22/2017 06:46 PM, jim bell wrote:
Okay, maybe I can get this damn thing to work!!! Jim Bell
OK, I've imported and locally signed your public key. But I don't do meatspace as Mirimir, even voice. So ... I've found Thunderbird + Enigmail to work well in Linux. As far as publishing the key, I've come to like Keybase. I'm here: https://keybase.io/mirimir
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On Friday, September 22, 2017, 10:40:04 PM PDT, jim bell wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256
I am Jim Bell, author of the Assassination Politics essay, at jdb10987@yahoo.com. I'm trying to implement public-key message signing with Mailvelope software, not with much success so far. I haven't really done signficant amounts of encryption since the 1990's, not much even then, and then I used PGP, and not with an email client. I realize that I don't have a public key available; I'd like to publish it, but there probably haven't been any key-signings nearby. I'm trying to (re-) learn the bare bones of this. This is my second attempt. The first attempt at signing simply lost my message, for reasons entirely unknown. I'd like to prove who I am. At least initially, I though of using a Skype call, jimbell887, to talk to a few of the more credible people around here. That will, at least, reduce the level of doubt until I can get up to speed on this very irritating software. I will put this message, and then have a signed copy of this message. I'd like to somehow include a copy of my public key, but as I said, I cannot yet figure out how do to that.
Jim Bell
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On 09/23/2017 01:46 AM, jim bell wrote:
I'm trying to implement public-key message signing with Mailvelope software, not with much success so far.
Oddly enough, neither automated (Enigmail in Thunderbird) nor manual (saved as text file, attempt to import with the --import command in GPG 1.4.16) works. Both indicate "no valid OpenPGP data found". This is unique in my experience. As for proving who you are, other than live and in person the options do seem rather limited. One paradigm that I like: Never mind key signing protocols: Just make a key, start using it to sign posts here, there and anywhere, and build a history for that key that will, eventually, persuade people that it really is yours. "How do I know you are who you say you are?" "Check my posting history in CPunks. Goes back a ways, and I have been signing my posts with the same key that's on the servers. So far the real me has not stepped up to disown it." Not bullet proof, but would you settle for slug resistant? BTW, why not use the keyserver network? Just curious; I figure one way of publicly presented a "public key" is much the same as any other... except that one way is very convenient and functionally reliable. :o)
On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 3:39 AM, Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
Oddly enough, neither automated (Enigmail in Thunderbird) nor manual (saved as text file, attempt to import with the --import command in GPG 1.4.16) works. Both indicate "no valid OpenPGP data found". This is unique in my experience.
I think it's Yahooism encoding, once you fixup the junk it imports fine... pub 4096R/9C6D998F 2016-09-11 Key fingerprint = BD05 ADBB 556D D1D1 37DF 6FE9 598C AF68 9C6D 998F uid Jim Bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com>
BTW, why not use the keyserver network?
Anyone can upload anyone's pubkey, though if no one does, there's maybe some small privacy metadata gain there.
On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 1:40 AM, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
encryption since the 1990's, not much even then, and then I used PGP
Regarding your old keys, if you still have access to them, you should either revoke or self-sign them as appropriate, for which revocation may be the most prudent choice.
I realize that I don't have a public key available; I'd like to publish it, but there probably haven't been any key-signings nearby.
Having a public key signed is not a prerequisite to publishing it. Well unless you count self signing, which is not strictly necessary either, but of such importance that gnupg does that operation upon keygen. You can iteratively republish as more signatures come in.
I'd like to prove who I am. At least initially, I though of using a Skype call, jimbell887, to talk to a few of the more credible people around here.
Sure someday. Though that gmail address you copied is an unknown.
That will, at least, reduce the level of doubt until I can get up to speed on this very irritating software.
Mailvelope is a browser plugin based webscraper. https://www.mailvelope.com/ If you have access to IMAP/POP and SMTP (each over TLS), either of the two below may be of interest and are likely more stable / reliable / secure than mailvelope. https://www.mailpile.is/ https://www.enigmail.net/
On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:35 AM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Mailvelope is a browser plugin based webscraper.
There is some more info on this here... https://www.mailvelope.com/en/faq#permissions Mailvelope sits in the browser literally watching the webmail. Since the webmail service is arbitrary HTML without well defined on the wire interface like IMAP/POP/SMTP, it's possible the website will change before mailvelope gets new glasses, at which point you can start bumping into things and possibly breaking bones. Even if people no longer have access to revoke old keys, they could look them up here and disclaim them by fingerprint in a keysigning statement... http://gpg.nebrwesleyan.edu/
On 09/22/2017 10:40 PM, jim bell wrote:
I am Jim Bell, author of the Assassination Politics essay, at jdb10987@yahoo.com. I'm trying to implement public-key message signing with Mailvelope software, not with much success so far. I haven't really done signficant amounts of encryption since the 1990's, not much even then, and then I used PGP, and not with an email client. I realize that I don't have a public key available; I'd like to publish it, but there probably haven't been any key-signings nearby. I'm trying to (re-) learn the bare bones of this. This is my second attempt. The first attempt at signing simply lost my message, for reasons entirely unknown. I'd like to prove who I am. At least initially, I though of using a Skype call, jimbell887, to talk to a few of the more credible people around here. That will, at least, reduce the level of doubt until I can get up to speed on this very irritating software. I will put this message, and then have a signed copy of this message. I'd like to somehow include a copy of my public key, but as I said, I cannot yet figure out how do to that.
Jim Bell
It all looked good until I tried to import the key and I got: Just to make sure my always flaky 32bit Enigmail wasn't misleading me I ran Steve's key: Rr
On Saturday, September 23, 2017, 8:08:12 AM PDT, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote: On 09/22/2017 10:40 PM, jim bell wrote:
I am Jim Bell, author of the Assassination Politics essay, at jdb10987@yahoo.com. I'm trying to implement public-key message signing with Mailvelope software, not with much success so far. I haven't really done signficant amounts of encryption since the 1990's, not much even then, and then I used PGP, and not with an email client. I realize that I don't have a public key available; I'd like to publish it, but there probably haven't been any key-signings nearby. I'm trying to (re-) learn the bare bones of this. This is my second attempt. The first attempt at signing simply lost my message, for reasons entirely unknown. I'd like to prove who I am. At least initially, I though of using a Skype call, jimbell887, to talk to a few of the more credible people around here. That will, at least, reduce the level of doubt until I can get up to speed on this very irritating software. I will put this message, and then have a signed copy of this message. I'd like to somehow include a copy of my public key, but as I said, I cannot yet figure out how do to that.
Jim Bell
It all looked good until I tried to import the key and I got:
[stuff deleted] Last night, AFTER I posted this stuff, I tried to post my public key on Keybase. It had not been previously publicized. I don't know if I was successful. I fully understand that I will have to attend some keysigning event, maybe in the San Francisco bay area, or perhaps Seattle. Jim Bell P.S. I wanted to sign this message, too, which was edited on Yahoo Mail, but the Mailvelope icon seems to not always appear. How do I sign if Mailvelope isn't working at the moment? <sigh>
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 17:29:03 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
Last night, AFTER I posted this stuff, I tried to post my public key on Keybase.
keybase's site doesn't work unless you enable javashit - that's a big security 'issue'. Also it was recommended by 'mirimir' so that's another reason not to use it.
It had not been previously publicized. I don't know if I was successful. I fully understand that I will have to attend some keysigning event, maybe in the San Francisco bay area, or perhaps Seattle. Jim Bell P.S. I wanted to sign this message, too, which was edited on Yahoo Mail, but the Mailvelope icon seems to not always appear. How do I sign if Mailvelope isn't working at the moment? <sigh>
I imported the key you posted. Or I imported 'a key' that apparently comes from 'you' =) However the signatures on the 2 signed messages you sent don't seem to work (your mail client seems to be sending some kind of messy text mixed with html or something like that or there's something wrong on my end...) gpg: Signature made Sat 23 Sep 2017 02:38:45 GMT+3 using RSA key ID 9C6D998F gpg: BAD signature from "Jim Bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com>" But at least you can double check the key ID... (attached the first message I tried to verify)
On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 1:29 PM, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
P.S. I wanted to sign this message, too, which was edited on Yahoo Mail, but the Mailvelope icon seems to not always appear. How do I sign if Mailvelope isn't working at the moment? <sigh>
Manually via standalone app. If on windows... https://www.gpg4win.org/ You'd need to import your private key to it.
On 09/23/2017 04:07 AM, Razer wrote:
On 09/22/2017 10:40 PM, jim bell wrote:
I am Jim Bell, author of the Assassination Politics essay, at jdb10987@yahoo.com. I'm trying to implement public-key message signing with Mailvelope software, not with much success so far. I haven't really done signficant amounts of encryption since the 1990's, not much even then, and then I used PGP, and not with an email client. I realize that I don't have a public key available; I'd like to publish it, but there probably haven't been any key-signings nearby. I'm trying to (re-) learn the bare bones of this. This is my second attempt. The first attempt at signing simply lost my message, for reasons entirely unknown. I'd like to prove who I am. At least initially, I though of using a Skype call, jimbell887, to talk to a few of the more credible people around here. That will, at least, reduce the level of doubt until I can get up to speed on this very irritating software. I will put this message, and then have a signed copy of this message. I'd like to somehow include a copy of my public key, but as I said, I cannot yet figure out how do to that.
Jim Bell
It all looked good until I tried to import the key and I got:
It worked fine for me, using Thunderbird + Enigmail. See https://file.io/tTlZ2I for key properties.
Just to make sure my always flaky 32bit Enigmail wasn't misleading me I ran Steve's key:
Rr
I tried to set up before for you to go to eff they were like uh no which made it possible for me to fully understand their level of consciousness Anyway go to san fran and talk to interent archive > brewster kahle > you will totally love going there anyway On Sep 23, 2017 11:32 PM, "Mirimir" <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 09/23/2017 04:07 AM, Razer wrote:
On 09/22/2017 10:40 PM, jim bell wrote:
I am Jim Bell, author of the Assassination Politics essay, at jdb10987@yahoo.com. I'm trying to implement public-key message signing with Mailvelope software, not with much success so far. I haven't really done signficant amounts of encryption since the 1990's, not much even then, and then I used PGP, and not with an email client. I realize that I don't have a public key available; I'd like to publish it, but there probably haven't been any key-signings nearby. I'm trying to (re-) learn the bare bones of this. This is my second attempt. The first attempt at signing simply lost my message, for reasons entirely unknown. I'd like to prove who I am. At least initially, I though of using a Skype call, jimbell887, to talk to a few of the more credible people around here. That will, at least, reduce the level of doubt until I can get up to speed on this very irritating software. I will put this message, and then have a signed copy of this message. I'd like to somehow include a copy of my public key, but as I said, I cannot yet figure out how do to that.
Jim Bell
It all looked good until I tried to import the key and I got:
It worked fine for me, using Thunderbird + Enigmail.
See https://file.io/tTlZ2I for key properties.
Just to make sure my always flaky 32bit Enigmail wasn't misleading me I ran Steve's key:
Rr
On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
I tried to set up before for you to go to eff they were like uh no which made it possible for me to fully understand their level of consciousness
EFF sounds good till... they're lawyers, lawyers won't be caught dead attesting anything.
Anyway go to san fran and talk to interent archive > brewster kahle > you will totally love going there anyway
West coast is saturated with many fine potential signatories / locations.
On 09/23/2017 09:31 AM, Mirimir wrote:
On 09/23/2017 04:07 AM, Razer wrote:
On 09/22/2017 10:40 PM, jim bell wrote:
I am Jim Bell, author of the Assassination Politics essay, at jdb10987@yahoo.com. I'm trying to implement public-key message signing with Mailvelope software, not with much success so far. I haven't really done signficant amounts of encryption since the 1990's, not much even then, and then I used PGP, and not with an email client. I realize that I don't have a public key available; I'd like to publish it, but there probably haven't been any key-signings nearby. I'm trying to (re-) learn the bare bones of this. This is my second attempt. The first attempt at signing simply lost my message, for reasons entirely unknown. I'd like to prove who I am. At least initially, I though of using a Skype call, jimbell887, to talk to a few of the more credible people around here. That will, at least, reduce the level of doubt until I can get up to speed on this very irritating software. I will put this message, and then have a signed copy of this message. I'd like to somehow include a copy of my public key, but as I said, I cannot yet figure out how do to that.
Jim Bell
It all looked good until I tried to import the key and I got:
It worked fine for me, using Thunderbird + Enigmail.
See https://file.io/tTlZ2I for key properties.
Oops. That's _ephemeral_ file sharing. Gone after one download. So I've just attached it.
Just to make sure my always flaky 32bit Enigmail wasn't misleading me I ran Steve's key:
Rr
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Thank you very much, Mr. Young. I think what I'm going to do, in part, is to generate a video of me reciting my public key, and place the video on YouTube. While such a thing could conceivably be faked, it should be good enough for a few weeks. In about two weeks, I'm going to make an announcement. Jim Bell On Saturday, September 23, 2017, 3:30:39 PM PDT, John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote: James Dalton Bell PK 1994-03-01, signed by 5. https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xFA8754305BA01D9D pub 1024R/<https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFA8754305BA01D9D>5BA01D9D 1994-03-01 -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: SKS 1.1.6 Comment: Hostname: pgp.mit.edu mI0CLXO9ZwAAAQQAqZKqeAtYrY3aA4ko+2MX1UJ9KRdj5dRkFEJtsVTvW4f90tcLZSrrAVLx qVGAxzeun3Qmecn/p4mpfAyMK6eiDC5xY5pTtL/D47CM4b19SqxcgDraPbla2Nx7rmZunRMo sDPAxv8/9CrsGVyWqG4rN9UEft0gedUC+odUMFugHZ0ABRG0EUphbWVzIERhbHRvbiBCZWxs iQEVAwUQMQJBzOnLuKO72bLxAQGOigf/YHe9IVFAoyWCnhbDOicfwv9Ey2BMW0qX68LiGFbM zgl83FhnDwvB7yJVGk0xintp+DqAX6uV02cOMZFUrkrwUN0VUOpTtoTmhsF8pv41wywOpiHV DcSP7eumTisDmSAraQ/mupmuhMkv2TNlZeRZlvV7raAIGlijYKa6Z1nYUAD2ODVYLrJCKiIR Hx+9PYNm80tc+L01LX7vDrdpphpTKmVkW7Kkk5VD8rO8FdLdVi/y534sm1CSbqC6ukO4JdYc KQOqvPNieYf/0HLDrrm2C5sG1a6RIudumuQ9A2NwuBd3mg3NojmbQct0m2XVAroZsd1xFUjT iSv08M9n3LgFQokBFQMFEDECl1zkAj9799AnmQEBK9kH+QG+1WTh9FIXQRghWpxlRwN46WBD fijQOvAGhZxeqofkXH4syoBi8nKoSY43S+n9d9Jylqs0xaOu52YKF+LUzkQkEY24ca50UZ3V QOwq38HpnJVFzMPO9GcxEH8ipxUqyxY7Pgtw5JfFi0gSeOujIKOniOO8SX9ZRHkm0QnspfMK 9zNcOWE1C0k8yDtZum9/WCJYxRq6FmwZuaqgV9V3VHhWC4CU84DbebpevO7ivlXfU0jM7bzI ernDNXPoWpYXQ25yvQ5fT1iiu79xq/yOm5Z6k8pjqztdn4ZT4j6WKe+XIVuKRGP04zaT4gut SzUcOo35xKs42B7ggiGF1qLs9vSIlQMFEDECl5dkyeu6ku706QEBr7UD+QGwHZkfJo1W3Q2d mOk3gz1j1jNglRpEcx9KrRcC/tN9rgZWVNLpKG9AS4wf5UPbEjnqG9LXLXOA8lN5xcNfUo1N GmHaDkt1PxMykZWqg4bAtCGXuY7Z7Q9iWFuETHY2K7pqoJ0411DmCACUcBcmPzFu6ROBfyLl fHKal9wz0PmSiQEPAwUQMQi8DEV8uK+wdN5RAQHDYQfPT9PsLvhjHE24MMOf4cG5I28aX7Vy vUZqu/xbc3x+yMjlqeQWj0NgE2tVXrmRoomPFWgFLThmXY2JFevb0V+FoK7ASgA4D7SnxXeP FWeS3tvylpz4OwjCqE3ULSwm8356XbFq33ChpJDPnrRzcJE4cVAIyQZrbxhlW7iMyFsrvEmJ /PWgASJLqhpqkzfjbdtsA/liewoVOm2/sr2md+HYIpZj+1YKM5tPlZEZf/tookQ6T/LafrXw IePFMhAA8had00PMG8w8C0cNozfzZ3vn/dXBF8OSffBaHzmw+dlyWk1nJztBd8lxh2iCfo/W LR9D68mh+CDDPMUTiYiVAwUQNGxhvJ8TeU28wEKxAQHVugQAqPK1T5O3xapMqMvrRnUJhEzd 2KPH1Yrs+4H7wqJo4CBedvkLewwppasabKnSz4hnkzHEWyIhKC1n2JbxF4YIcEdbhJ5A1FNI UuIOUExFarJMUp6YRQ4IeZ2WVAoYqLX9FJCqjM/sKfiGZxUcnIn/bp9WfBGnWKNw74aJcXOX wXE= =Y+3W -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- I was unable to read/import the above Public Key Block. Perhaps the last couple of lines were mangled.
On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 12:46 PM, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
I think what I'm going to do, in part, is to generate a video of me reciting my public key, and place the video on YouTube.
That works well since many recipients know the senders IRL, or have at least made their own estimated and acceptable trust analysis as to such.
While such a thing could conceivably be faked, it should be good enough for a few weeks.
A few notes... People should recite the full 40 character key fingerprint. This is because 16 hexchars is only 64 bits (and 8 is 32 bits), and short-key-id collision attacks happen (search something like pgp fingerprint collision), and all other recited fields of such a key are cloneable by the attacker into the attackers key. Those creating their first keys should consider giving them expiry dates. Simply to avoid confusion if early keys are later compromised in learning or other environments, or they roll out new keys with new options, management, and usage models as a result of such learning. And no one can keep a key both secure and usable forever. Create and keep a revocation certificate. Though one can assert a compromise and new key in a public signing statement, they are still handy to have, especially for those that can't stand on a soapbox IRL to make such statement (ie: a video). Gnupg 2.2.1 (and probably downstream gpg4win) now puts those revocation certs in handy printable text files by default upon key creation. https://gnupg.org/
I was unable to read/import the above Public Key Block. Perhaps the last couple of lines were mangled.
The old FA8754305BA01D9D key as posted by JYA imports ok as received. The keyservers take care to only carry keys that pass various lint checks and thus can always be imported from there. And they present them cleanly via HKPS or simple plaintext via the web for easy cut / paste. You could probably find some more keys by searching for name or email here... https://gpg.nebrwesleyan.edu/pks/lookup?search=jim+bell&fingerprint=on&hash=on&op=vindex https://gpg.nebrwesleyan.edu/pks/lookup?search=james+bell&fingerprint=on&hash=on&op=vindex https://gpg.nebrwesleyan.edu/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V36_YI-9QE&feature=youtu.be WIN 20170924 09 55 33 Pro | | | | | | | | | | | WIN 20170924 09 55 33 Pro Jim Bell reading information about his public key. | | | × On Saturday, September 23, 2017, 3:30:39 PM PDT, John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote: James Dalton Bell PK 1994-03-01, signed by 5. https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xFA8754305BA01D9D pub 1024R/<https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFA8754305BA01D9D>5BA01D9D 1994-03-01 -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: SKS 1.1.6 Comment: Hostname: pgp.mit.edu mI0CLXO9ZwAAAQQAqZKqeAtYrY3aA4ko+2MX1UJ9KRdj5dRkFEJtsVTvW4f90tcLZSrrAVLx qVGAxzeun3Qmecn/p4mpfAyMK6eiDC5xY5pTtL/D47CM4b19SqxcgDraPbla2Nx7rmZunRMo sDPAxv8/9CrsGVyWqG4rN9UEft0gedUC+odUMFugHZ0ABRG0EUphbWVzIERhbHRvbiBCZWxs iQEVAwUQMQJBzOnLuKO72bLxAQGOigf/YHe9IVFAoyWCnhbDOicfwv9Ey2BMW0qX68LiGFbM zgl83FhnDwvB7yJVGk0xintp+DqAX6uV02cOMZFUrkrwUN0VUOpTtoTmhsF8pv41wywOpiHV DcSP7eumTisDmSAraQ/mupmuhMkv2TNlZeRZlvV7raAIGlijYKa6Z1nYUAD2ODVYLrJCKiIR Hx+9PYNm80tc+L01LX7vDrdpphpTKmVkW7Kkk5VD8rO8FdLdVi/y534sm1CSbqC6ukO4JdYc KQOqvPNieYf/0HLDrrm2C5sG1a6RIudumuQ9A2NwuBd3mg3NojmbQct0m2XVAroZsd1xFUjT iSv08M9n3LgFQokBFQMFEDECl1zkAj9799AnmQEBK9kH+QG+1WTh9FIXQRghWpxlRwN46WBD fijQOvAGhZxeqofkXH4syoBi8nKoSY43S+n9d9Jylqs0xaOu52YKF+LUzkQkEY24ca50UZ3V QOwq38HpnJVFzMPO9GcxEH8ipxUqyxY7Pgtw5JfFi0gSeOujIKOniOO8SX9ZRHkm0QnspfMK 9zNcOWE1C0k8yDtZum9/WCJYxRq6FmwZuaqgV9V3VHhWC4CU84DbebpevO7ivlXfU0jM7bzI ernDNXPoWpYXQ25yvQ5fT1iiu79xq/yOm5Z6k8pjqztdn4ZT4j6WKe+XIVuKRGP04zaT4gut SzUcOo35xKs42B7ggiGF1qLs9vSIlQMFEDECl5dkyeu6ku706QEBr7UD+QGwHZkfJo1W3Q2d mOk3gz1j1jNglRpEcx9KrRcC/tN9rgZWVNLpKG9AS4wf5UPbEjnqG9LXLXOA8lN5xcNfUo1N GmHaDkt1PxMykZWqg4bAtCGXuY7Z7Q9iWFuETHY2K7pqoJ0411DmCACUcBcmPzFu6ROBfyLl fHKal9wz0PmSiQEPAwUQMQi8DEV8uK+wdN5RAQHDYQfPT9PsLvhjHE24MMOf4cG5I28aX7Vy vUZqu/xbc3x+yMjlqeQWj0NgE2tVXrmRoomPFWgFLThmXY2JFevb0V+FoK7ASgA4D7SnxXeP FWeS3tvylpz4OwjCqE3ULSwm8356XbFq33ChpJDPnrRzcJE4cVAIyQZrbxhlW7iMyFsrvEmJ /PWgASJLqhpqkzfjbdtsA/liewoVOm2/sr2md+HYIpZj+1YKM5tPlZEZf/tookQ6T/LafrXw IePFMhAA8had00PMG8w8C0cNozfzZ3vn/dXBF8OSffBaHzmw+dlyWk1nJztBd8lxh2iCfo/W LR9D68mh+CDDPMUTiYiVAwUQNGxhvJ8TeU28wEKxAQHVugQAqPK1T5O3xapMqMvrRnUJhEzd 2KPH1Yrs+4H7wqJo4CBedvkLewwppasabKnSz4hnkzHEWyIhKC1n2JbxF4YIcEdbhJ5A1FNI UuIOUExFarJMUp6YRQ4IeZ2WVAoYqLX9FJCqjM/sKfiGZxUcnIn/bp9WfBGnWKNw74aJcXOX wXE= =Y+3W -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
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