On Thu, Oct 02, 2014 at 11:43:22PM -0700, coderman wrote:

On 10/2/14, Juan wrote:

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" ... I'd look at the transoceanic cables "

these motherfucking sacks of shits seem to think they own the world...

usable, end to end crypto everywhere, and no longer any reason to look at the cables.

so simple, right?

:)

I suspect crypto is not sufficient. If they own you by some way (backdoor, client bugs, etc) they still will have the info, probably with more efforts.

On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 23:43:22 -0700 coderman wrote:

On 10/2/14, Juan wrote:

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" ... I'd look at the transoceanic cables "

these motherfucking sacks of shits seem to think they own the world...

usable, end to end crypto everywhere, and no longer any reason to look at the cables.

I thought they might want to look at the cables to do so called 'traffic analysis'...? As a matter of fact this criminal binney discusses how they look at who talks to whom, 'metadata', bla bla bla - traffic analysis. On the other hand most of the story, or rather most of the activities of these clown-spies look like bullshit. I highly doubt any 'terrist' worth his salt is going to discuss any plans on some shitty phone from some shitty american company. I'm pretty sure a 'terrist' with modest means can come up with, say, some sort one time pad device and some channel that's not so easily monitored. What can be the real objectives of this 'mass surveillance' thing then? Catching people like Ulbricht perhaps? Of course, the obvious objective is to extend the reach of the US police state into the 'digital domain' but I admit I haven't thought about the implementation details...

so simple, right?

in a sentence : encryption only solves some problems, so not so simple.

:)

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:32 AM, Juan wrote:

What can be the real objectives of this 'mass surveillance' thing then? Catching people like Ulbricht perhaps?

The objective is ownership... of the world, of everyone, of you. Lest those provide any offset to them, or their fantasies.

but I admit I haven't thought about the implementation details...

Sorry, no time for thought, there's a six in the fridge and the Simpsons are on TV.