Another factoid here in this well presented analysis - not only Saddam but also Gaddafi attempted to jump off the USD onto the Euro, then to a gold-backed local currency (dinar) - well well well, the bully keeps demanding others' lunch money. Now Iran seems to be able to survive the jump, due to Russia's backing. And it certainly seems clear to me why Russia is so demonized - they are leading the charge, and giving others the courage (like Iran and India exchanging oil for Rupees). With USGovMil reaching a thundering self-caused clusterfuck of dead end in Syria, it looks pretty certain now that 'we' will be able to realise a multi-polar world rather than a uni-polar USA hegemony, going forward. Don't think anyone would disagree that's the lesser of those two evils... Gold currencies here we come. Enjoy ---- http://journal-neo.org/2015/02/02/rus-dedollarizatsiya-i-ssha/ 02.02.2015 Author: Vladimir Odintsov The Global De-dollarization and the US Policies Column: Economics Region: USA in the World 34234234In its quest for world domination, which the White House has been pursuing for more than a century, it relied on two primary tools: the US dollar and military might. In order to prevent Washington from establishing complete global hegemony, certain countries have recently been revising their positions towards these two elements by developing alternative military alliances and by breaking with their dependence on the US dollar. Until the mid-twentieth century, the gold standard was the dominant monetary system, based on a fixed quantity of gold reserves stocked in national banks, which limited lending. At that time, the United States managed to become the owner of 70% of world’s gold reserves (excluding the USSR), therefore it pushed its weakened competitor, the UK, aside resulting to the creation of the Bretton Woods financial system in 1944. That’s how the US dollar became the predominant currency for international payments. But a quarter century later this system had proven ineffective due to its inability to contain the economic growth of Germany and Japan, along with the reluctance of the US to adjust its economic policies to maintain the dollar-gold balance. At that time, the dollar experienced a dramatic decline but it was saved by the support of rich oil exporters, especially once Saudi Arabia began to exchange its black gold for US weapons and support in talks with Richard Nixon. As a result, President Richard Nixon in 1971 unilaterally ordered the cancellation of the direct convertibility of the United States dollar to gold, and instead he established the Jamaican currency system in which oil has become the foundation of the US dollar system. Therefore, it’s no coincidence that from that moment on the control over oil trade has become the number one priority of Washington’s foreign policy. In the aftermath of the so-called Nixon Shock the number of US military engagements in the Middle East and other oil producing regions saw a sharp increase. Once this system was supported by OPEC members, the global demand for US petrodollars hit an all time high. Petrodollars became the basis for America domination over the global financial system which resulted in countries being forced to buy dollars in order to get oil on the international market. Analysts believe that the share of the United States in today’s world gross domestic product shouldn’t exceed 22%. However, 80% of international payments are made with US dollars. As a result, the value of the US dollar is exceedingly high in comparison with other currencies, that’s why consumers in the United States receive imported goods at extremely low prices. It provides the United States with significant financial profit, while high demand for dollars in the world allows the US government to refinance its debt at very low interest rates. Under these circumstances, those heding against the dollar are considered a direct threat to US economic hegemony and the high living standards of its citizens, and therefore political and business circles in Washington attempt by all means to resist this process.This resistance manifested itself in the overthrow and the brutal murder of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, who decided to switch to Euros for oil payments, before introducing a gold dinar to replace the European currency. However, in recent years, despite Washington’s desire to use whatever means to sustain its position within the international arena, US policies are increasingly faced with opposition. As a result, a growing number of countries are trying to move from the US dollar along with its dependence on the United States, by pursuing a policy of de-dollarization. Three states that are particularly active in this domain are China, Russia and Iran. These countries are trying to achieve de-dollarization at a record pace, along with some European banks and energy companies that are operating within their borders. The Russian government held a meeting on de-dollarization in spring of 2014, where the Ministry of Finance announced the plan to increase the share of ruble-denominated contracts and the consequent abandonment of dollar exchange. Last May at the Shanghai summit, the Russian delegation manged to sign the so-called “deal of the century” which implies that over the next 30 years China will buy $ 400 billion worth of Russia’s natural gas, while paying in rubles and yuans. In addition, in August 2014 a subsidiary company of Gazprom announced its readiness to accept payment for 80,000 tons of oil from Arctic deposits in rubles that were to be shipped to Europe, while the payment for the supply of oil through the “Eastern Siberia – Pacific Ocean” pipeline can be transferred in yuans. Last August while visiting the Crimea, Russia’s President Vladimir Putin announced that “the petrodollar system should become history” while “Russia is discussing the use of national currencies in mutual settlements with a number of countries.” These steps recently taken by Russia are the real reasons behind the West’s sanction policy. In recent months, China has also become an active member of this “anti-dollar” campaign, since it has signed agreements with Canada and Qatar on national currencies exchange, which resulted in Canada becoming the first offshore hub for the yuan in North America. This fact alone can potentially double or even triple the volume of trade between the two countries since the volume of the swap agreement signed between China and Canada is estimated to be a total of 200 billion yuans. China’s agreement with Qatar on direct currency swaps between the two countries are the equivalent of $ 5.7 billion and has cast a heavy blow to the petrodollar becoming the basis for the usage of the yuan in Middle East markets. It is no secret that the oil-producing countries of the Middle Eastern region have little trust in the US dollar due to the export of inflation, so one should expect other OPEC countries to sign agreements with China. As for the Southeast Asia region, the establishment of a clearing center in Kuala Lumpur, which will promote greater use of the yuan locally, has become yet another major step that was made by China in the region. This event occurred in less than a month after the leading financial center of Asia – Singapore – became a center of the yuan exchange in Southeast Asia after establishing direct dialogue regarding the Singapore dollar and the yuan. The Islamic Republic of Iran has recently announced its reluctance to use US dollars in its foreign trade. Additionally, the President of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev has recently tasked the National Bank with the de-dollarization of the national economy. All across the world, the calls for the creation of a new international monetary system are getting louder with each passing day. In this context it should be noted that the UK government plans to release debts denominated in yuans while the European Central Bank is discussing the possibility of including the yuan in its official reserves. Those trends are to be seen everywhere, but in the midst of anti-Russian propaganda, Western newsmakers prefer to keep quiet about these facts, in particular, when inflation is skyrocketing in the United States. In recent months, the proportion of US Treasury bonds in the Russian foreign exchange reserves has been shrinking rapidly, being sold at a record pace, while this same tactic has been used by a number of different states. To make matters worse for the US, many countries seek to export their gold reserves from the United States, which are deposited in vaults at the Federal Reserve Bank. After a scandal of 2013, when the US Federal Reserve refused to return German gold reserves to its respective owner, the Netherlands have joined the list of countries that are trying to retrieve their gold from the US. Should it be successful the list of countries seeking the return of gold reserves will double which may result in a major crisis for Washington. The above stated facts indicate that the world does not want to rely on US dollars anymore. In these circumstances, Washington relies on the policy of deepening regional destabilization, which, according to the White House strategy, must lead to a considerable weakening of any potential US rivals. But there’s little to no hope for the United States to survive its own wave of chaos it has unleashed across the world. Vladimir Odintsov, political commentator, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook”
On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 03:08:13AM +0000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Another factoid here in this well presented analysis - not only Saddam but also Gaddafi attempted to jump off the USD onto the Euro, then to a gold-backed local currency (dinar) - well well well, the bully keeps demanding others' lunch money.
Now Iran seems to be able to survive the jump, due to Russia's backing. And it certainly seems clear to me why Russia is so demonized - they are leading the charge, and giving others the courage (like Iran and India exchanging oil for Rupees).
With USGovMil reaching a thundering self-caused clusterfuck of dead end in Syria, it looks pretty certain now that 'we' will be able to realise a multi-polar world rather than a uni-polar USA hegemony, going forward. Don't think anyone would disagree that's the lesser of those two evils...
Gold currencies here we come.
Either that or pisscoins https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bittrex/urobtc The market for that appears to have fallen apart about the time it sounded like Iran might be legitimately able to ship oil. Otherwise, if you can't sell oil, you can make Urea from natural gas and sell it to India with some crypto-snakeoil. I also find it rather amusing how policies in China seem to have more control over the price of Bitcoin than policy of the fed has over the price of the dollar. it's the grudge match of the century: China vs the Fed If you are betting on gold someone out there will be happy to relieve you of your value.
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:32:00 -0600 Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@hozed.org> wrote:
If you are betting on gold someone out there will be happy to relieve you of your value.
Sure. Look at how gold keeps going down. The price of gold has gone all the way DOWN from $20 in 1934 to $1200 at the moment. With even LOWER peaks. Gold is going down when measured in your americunt dollars eh Troy? Troy - sounds a bit like an ironic name in this 'context'.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 08:45:47PM -0300, juan wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:32:00 -0600 Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@hozed.org> wrote:
If you are betting on gold someone out there will be happy to relieve you of your value.
Sure. Look at how gold keeps going down. The price of gold has gone all the way DOWN from $20 in 1934 to $1200 at the moment. With even LOWER peaks.
Gold is going down when measured in your americunt dollars eh Troy? Troy - sounds a bit like an ironic name in this 'context'.
Yer funny, buying high priced tulips during the mania. If you bought a farm in 1910 for $45 an acre it'd have been $10,000 a couple of years ago. The petrodollar has come, and the petrodollar will go, and y'all are going to eventually want to eat. If we're lucky food can be bought with crypto. If not I suppose we better all learn chinese.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 07:22:45PM -0600, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
If you bought a farm in 1910 for $45 an acre it'd have been $10,000 a couple of years ago.
The petrodollar has come, and the petrodollar will go, and y'all are going to eventually want to eat. If we're lucky food can be bought with crypto. If not I suppose we better all learn chinese.
This well might happen, no joke... In addition we must learn to not criticize the Chinese overlords. Short weather forecast in 2026: ;) On the North pole -20. On the South pole -22. In the rest of China the weather varies.
On 2/24/16, Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 07:22:45PM -0600, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
If you bought a farm in 1910 for $45 an acre it'd have been $10,000 a couple of years ago.
The petrodollar has come, and the petrodollar will go, and y'all are going to eventually want to eat. If we're lucky food can be bought with crypto. If not I suppose we better all learn chinese.
This well might happen, no joke...
In addition we must learn to not criticize the Chinese overlords.
Short weather forecast in 2026: ;)
On the North pole -20. On the South pole -22. In the rest of China the weather varies.
I guess it's better to sell everything than to have a war... and not such a huge difference in governments these days, sadly.
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:22:45 -0600 Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@hozed.org> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 08:45:47PM -0300, juan wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:32:00 -0600 Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@hozed.org> wrote:
If you are betting on gold someone out there will be happy to relieve you of your value.
Sure. Look at how gold keeps going down. The price of gold has gone all the way DOWN from $20 in 1934 to $1200 at the moment. With even LOWER peaks.
Gold is going down when measured in your americunt dollars eh Troy? Troy - sounds a bit like an ironic name in this 'context'.
Yer funny, buying high priced tulips during the mania.
Too bad your comparison doesn't work. Gold has been used as a medium of exchange for thousands of years, all over the planet. Comparing the price of gold to the price of tulips in one city in 1637 is economic nonsense. Gold was priced at ~$1800 per ounce 5 years ago. Now it's at $1200. Was it overpriced 5 years ago? Technically, you can argue so. Does it mean that in five years we will be using gold to "build public lavatories in the streets of some of the largest cities of the world" ?
If you bought a farm in 1910 for $45 an acre it'd have been $10,000 a couple of years ago
Again, that's not a price that can be directly compared to the price of gold. But if anything it's more evidence to support my position. The dollar has been greatly 'inflated'(devalued) by the inflationist quacks.
The petrodollar has come, and the petrodollar will go, and y'all are going to eventually want to eat. If we're lucky food can be bought with crypto. If not I suppose we better all learn chinese.
I don't mind learning chinese. Better than the language of the anglo-american empire. Regardless, your economic analysis is flawed.
Further, and not primarily due to any external factors (i.e. it's all of the USGov/ Federal Reserve/ private banking mafia system's creation) is the US dollar going to completely fail by no later than 2023, when tax receipts will no longer be able to fund interest payments, and likely this will occur much sooner, unlikely any later than 2020, since as confidence in the stability of the US drops, interest rates will have to rise to satisfy those purchasing USGov debt instruments notwithstanding the ongoing funny money Quantitative Easing. http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/19/the-us-economy-has-not-recovered-and-... USGov will have ~$20 trillion debt by January 2017: http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/01/senate-cliff-deal-would-push-debt-to-20-tr... Historical 1940-2014 and -2020 projected, US receipts and outlays: http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200 No matter which side we view things from, that USD is evidently on its last legs.
There was similar thread in october 2015: https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-October/009615.html How to minimize one's damage in case the usa kicks the bucket?
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Georgi Guninski
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Troy Benjegerdes
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