Hornberger: "repeal of all drug laws is a necessary pre-requisite for a free society"
Posted with vehement in principle support for the position, and the need, to repeal all drug "prohibition" laws, to return some sanity to the Western world, eliminate the bulk of all alleged "criminals" in the West, and massively reduce crime and Western incarceration rates. The numbers are in, the empirical evidence from Amsterdam to South America are overwhelmingly compelling, and the logic never left those with second neurone in the first place - even for those who are not 'statutorily illegal' drug users. Hornberger: The Evil Of The Drug War https://www.zerohedge.com/health/hornberger-evil-drug-war https://www.fff.org/2019/10/28/the-evil-of-the-drug-war/ With the exception of the U.S. national-security state and its foreign policy of empire and intervention and its torture, state-sponsored assassinations, coups, alliances with dictatorial regimes, invasions, occupations, wars of aggression, illegal and unconstitutional wars, mass secret surveillance, indefinite detention, secret prison camps, drug experimentation on unsuspecting people, denial of due process, denial of trial by jury, kangaroo military tribunals, and other dark-side practices, it would be difficult to find a better example of an evil and immoral program than the war on drugs. Consider: 1. Everyone, including the most ardent drug-war proponent, agrees that this decades-long program has failed to achieve its goal, which is a drug-free society. 2. If failure was the only consequence of this program, that would be one thing. But it’s not. Drug laws have brought Into existence drug gangs, drug cartels, gang wars, drug assassinations, drug kidnappings, burglaries, robberies, murders, muggings, and official corruption. 3. The drug war is also the most racially bigoted government program since segregation, perhaps even more so. Under segregation, government officials used the force of law to keep the races separated, but at least they permitted blacks to keep living in the community. With drug laws, they have been able to remove blacks entirely from communities and relocate them into places called penitentiaries, where they are forced to spend a large portion of their lives. They have also been able to use drug laws to harass, abuse, insult, and humiliate African-Americans, Latinos, and other racial minorities. That’s not to say, of course, that all law-enforcement agents and all judges are racially bigoted. It is simply to say that for those who are racially bigoted, the drug war is like heaven on earth, in that it enables them to exercise their bigotry in a legal manner and even get praised for it. 4. The drug war has played a major role in the destruction of liberty in America. Just think: They actually put people into jail for doing nothing more than ingesting a substance that politicians and bureaucrats, both at the state and federal level, don’t approve of. Who cares whether politicians and bureaucrats approve of a particular substance? What business is that of theirs? Actually, it’s none of their business what a person puts into his mouth. Freedom necessarily entails the right to ingest whatever a person wants to Ingest, no matter how harmful or destructive it might be. When people live in a society where government officials can punish them for ingesting unapproved substances, there is no way that people in that society can legitimately be considered free. The repeal of drug laws — all drug laws, not just marijuana laws — is a necessary pre-requisite for a free society. It’s also a prerequisite for a just and humane society, one that treats drug addiction and drug use as a private problem, not a criminal-justice one.
The only way to end the endless war on drugs, is to actually end the war on drugs and legalise all drugs: US Massacre In Mexico Requires Washington To Act, Here's What Could Happen Next https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-massacre-mexico-requires-washingto... https://www.fff.org/2019/11/07/another-drug-war-massacre/ ... [USA Govt. suggestions]: - Option 1: Have the Mexican military crackdown even more fiercely than it already has during the past 10 years of fierce military drug warfare. - Option 2: Send in the US military and the CIA into Mexico. - Option 3. Capture the head of the Sinaloa drug cartel, extradite him to the United States, and jail him for the rest of his life. ... Jacob Hornberger: As we have been saying here at The Future of Freedom Foundation for 30 years, there is one — and only one — way to get rid of drug cartels, drug gangs, and drug lords. That way is through drug legalization, complete drug legalization. Not just marijuana. All drugs, including cocaine, heroin, meth, and opioids. Ditch them all. With drug legalization, the drug cartels, drug gangs, and drug lords are out out business overnight. Gone. Isn't that what drug-war proponents say they would like to see? Well, that's the only way to see it. That's what happened, of course, when statists decided to re-legalize booze. They finally realized that they were never going to put the booze cartels, booze gangs, and booze lords out of business by cracking down on them ever more fiercely. They finally realized that the only way to achieve that goal was through legalization. And sure enough, the re-legalization of booze put them all out of business," Hornberger wrote. And the probability of the US government ending the war on drugs is very low. So it's likely that AMLO and Washington will start increasing joint military operations against cartels in the not too distant future. On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 02:26:23PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Posted with vehement in principle support for the position, and the need, to repeal all drug "prohibition" laws, to return some sanity to the Western world, eliminate the bulk of all alleged "criminals" in the West, and massively reduce crime and Western incarceration rates.
The numbers are in, the empirical evidence from Amsterdam to South America are overwhelmingly compelling, and the logic never left those with second neurone in the first place - even for those who are not 'statutorily illegal' drug users.
Hornberger: The Evil Of The Drug War https://www.zerohedge.com/health/hornberger-evil-drug-war
https://www.fff.org/2019/10/28/the-evil-of-the-drug-war/
With the exception of the U.S. national-security state and its foreign policy of empire and intervention and its torture, state-sponsored assassinations, coups, alliances with dictatorial regimes, invasions, occupations, wars of aggression, illegal and unconstitutional wars, mass secret surveillance, indefinite detention, secret prison camps, drug experimentation on unsuspecting people, denial of due process, denial of trial by jury, kangaroo military tribunals, and other dark-side practices, it would be difficult to find a better example of an evil and immoral program than the war on drugs.
Consider:
1. Everyone, including the most ardent drug-war proponent, agrees that this decades-long program has failed to achieve its goal, which is a drug-free society.
2. If failure was the only consequence of this program, that would be one thing. But it’s not. Drug laws have brought Into existence drug gangs, drug cartels, gang wars, drug assassinations, drug kidnappings, burglaries, robberies, murders, muggings, and official corruption.
3. The drug war is also the most racially bigoted government program since segregation, perhaps even more so. Under segregation, government officials used the force of law to keep the races separated, but at least they permitted blacks to keep living in the community. With drug laws, they have been able to remove blacks entirely from communities and relocate them into places called penitentiaries, where they are forced to spend a large portion of their lives. They have also been able to use drug laws to harass, abuse, insult, and humiliate African-Americans, Latinos, and other racial minorities.
That’s not to say, of course, that all law-enforcement agents and all judges are racially bigoted. It is simply to say that for those who are racially bigoted, the drug war is like heaven on earth, in that it enables them to exercise their bigotry in a legal manner and even get praised for it.
4. The drug war has played a major role in the destruction of liberty in America. Just think: They actually put people into jail for doing nothing more than ingesting a substance that politicians and bureaucrats, both at the state and federal level, don’t approve of.
Who cares whether politicians and bureaucrats approve of a particular substance? What business is that of theirs?
Actually, it’s none of their business what a person puts into his mouth. Freedom necessarily entails the right to ingest whatever a person wants to Ingest, no matter how harmful or destructive it might be. When people live in a society where government officials can punish them for ingesting unapproved substances, there is no way that people in that society can legitimately be considered free.
The repeal of drug laws — all drug laws, not just marijuana laws — is a necessary pre-requisite for a free society. It’s also a prerequisite for a just and humane society, one that treats drug addiction and drug use as a private problem, not a criminal-justice one.
On Thursday, November 7, 2019, 04:55:50 PM PST, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
The only way to end the endless war on drugs, is to actually end the war on drugs and legalise all drugs: I very much agree with that.
> US Massacre In Mexico Requires Washington To Act, Here's What Could Happen Next [big snip] >And the probability of the US government ending the war on drugs is very low. So it's likely that AMLO and Washington will start increasing joint military operations against cartels in the not too distant future. I think the probability of the US Government quickly and completely ending the war on drugs is very low. But that doesn't mean it won't eventually occur. But way too slowly. The 'parade of horribles' predicted by the legalization of pot is not comining true. Jim Bell
On Fri, Nov 08, 2019 at 01:06:39AM +0000, jim bell wrote:
On Thursday, November 7, 2019, 04:55:50 PM PST, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
The only way to end the endless war on drugs, is to actually end the war on drugs and legalise all drugs: I very much agree with that.
> US Massacre In Mexico Requires Washington To Act, Here's What Could Happen Next [big snip]
>And the probability of the US government ending the war on drugs is very low. So it's likely that AMLO and Washington will start increasing joint military operations against cartels in the not too distant future.
I think the probability of the US Government quickly and completely ending the war on drugs is very low. But that doesn't mean it won't eventually occur. But way too slowly. The 'parade of horribles' predicted by the legalization of pot is not comining true.
It's quite humorous really - all the docs of the cocaine trail blazed by the CIA decades ago (and ever since) to create a dark finance fund for their nefarious activities, are essentially now public, and mostly unredacted. Yet the impact of this public record is "meh, yo conspiracy, obey the statute fellow NPC!" There is SO much black money around drugs it's amazing - even multi billion dollar hedge fund ships are in on the action :) And the funniest funny part? It's all done in plain sight - who hasn't seen those pictures of perfectly laid out twin (brand new) prime movers and their semi trailers, with 100s upon 100s of Kg of absolutely perfectly sealed and extremely gently placed and packed cocaine in perfect matching rows 'photoshoots' ("for the law is being upheld") :D How else are thousands of tonnes of cocaine brought into North America, except in plain sight and with the aide of "law enforcement officials" :D Nothing like prohibition to keep prices sky high. An nothing like having a nation of compliant sleepy sheeple to sell it to too :/ What a world...
On November 8, 2019 1:06:39 AM UTC, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thursday, November 7, 2019, 04:55:50 PM PST, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
The only way to end the endless war on drugs, is to actually end the war on drugs and legalise all drugs: I very much agree with that.
> US Massacre In Mexico Requires Washington To Act, Here's What Could Happen Next [big snip]
>And the probability of the US government ending the war on drugs is very low. So it's likely that AMLO and Washington will start increasing joint military operations against cartels in the not too distant future.
I think the probability of the US Government quickly and completely ending the war on drugs is very low. But that doesn't mean it won't eventually occur. But way too slowly. The 'parade of horribles' predicted by the legalization of pot is not comining true.
Did anyone actually believe such a prediction? All drugs should be legal. Aside from the obvious absurdity of legislating what substances you can ingest, it's caused incarceration in America, already barbaric, to rise to the highest per capita rate in the whole fucking world. America imprisons like ~750 people per 100k, way the fuck above even the countries we constantly accuse, hypocritically, of human rights violations. And of course the black market demand creates enormous profits, and brings enormous violence. Just like alcohol prohibition made the mafia big fucking business. The "war on drugs" is one of the nastiest long cons on the American people I can think of. Its a great excuse for a police state, a gulag, and made a whole new class of ultra-violent "narcotrafficante" that is a nice boogey man to the south, and who cares really - their violence is mostly south of the border, fuck em! Can't build the wall fast enough! It's a bad fucking joke.
Jim Bell
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