Anarchist roads and free travel
Beginner anarchist alert. Wanting to get a better understanding of possible outcomes. On 11/1/15, intelemetry <intelemetry@openmailbox.org> wrote:
Democracy is the tyranny of the majority, and assassination politics is dangerous in that regard when they are coupled. Private arbitration agreements with private security forces wherein mobility has reciprocal agreements (similar to current travel) seems more reasonable.
How would we handle road-building rent-seekers (i.e. those who would collect tax/ rent for travel) - i.e. at the moment in Australia banks give loans to private companies to build roads, which by illegal (unconstitutional) contracts, massive rents/ taxes over many decades, are collected from the population? How would the idea of "all have a right to travel anonymously and absolutely freely (free from tax, free from arbitrary punishment)" be manifested in a political anarchy country? How do we manifest a community wide idea of free travel (implying a majority interest in infrastructure built and provided at cost) with the freedom of "rent seekers" and "land owners/ infrastructure builders" to "freely engage in construction and contract with travelers upon the roads"? Is this a prisoner's dilemma? Although all our roads in Australia were free from "all evil tolls" for much of a century, the rent seekers corrupted our politicians with much greese, and now road tolls pop up all over the country. How would political anarchism not "degrade" to the power of financial corruption in a similar way as our demoncratic governments? --- In Australia, our "democratic powers/ goverment" have facilitated illegal contracts and multi decade rent seekers to tax the population on roads already paid for by the government. Notwithstanding that the jetsons era may make the question of roads per se less relevant over time, this question in my mind arises regarding political anarchism and what is termed 'natural monopolies', in this specific thread, roads. The Great Charter, or Magna Carta/ Charter, proscribes that there shall "be no evil tolls" - which means no travel checkpoints requiring fee payment, i.e. tax collection at point of passing, commonly today called "road tolls" (at least in Australia). This was to protect merchants against the taxing intention, and it is a given that this also includes those not engaging in commerce but still traveling. Here in Australia not only do we have the present day continuation of the Magna Carta and the English Bill of Rights (and many other Imperial Statutes) active within the jurisdictions of our states (although most people are not aware of this, the courts and legislation are aware of it) we also have Section 92 of our federal constitution which states "trade commerce and intercourse [travel] amongst the states, shall be absolutely free", which interpretation is open to some debate in political circles despite how it reads to the common man. In Australia the Imperial Statutes are firmly entrenched thanks to: - The Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act (our federal constitution) which invokes the Crown; - The Imperial Acts Application Act (respectively, in each state, such as New South Wales, Victoria, etc); - The Australia High Court (our highest court) rulings of Mabo and in particular Mabo 2 (I think 1999). Despite what ought be protection, our demoncratic parliaments have sold our roads to the highest bidder, which in our case is nearly always Macquarie Bank. Zenaan
Zenaan Harkness:
Beginner anarchist alert. Wanting to get a better understanding of possible outcomes.
On 11/1/15, intelemetry <intelemetry@openmailbox.org> wrote:
Democracy is the tyranny of the majority, and assassination politics is dangerous in that regard when they are coupled. Private arbitration agreements with private security forces wherein mobility has reciprocal agreements (similar to current travel) seems more reasonable.
How would we handle road-building rent-seekers (i.e. those who would collect tax/ rent for travel) - i.e. at the moment in Australia banks give loans to private companies to build roads, which by illegal (unconstitutional) contracts, massive rents/ taxes over many decades, are collected from the population?
Toll roads. Pay for what you use. Bank at Nugen-Hand if you want privacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nugan_Hand_Bank
How would the idea of "all have a right to travel anonymously and absolutely freely (free from tax, free from arbitrary punishment)" be manifested in a political anarchy country?
There is no "right to anonymity" in anarcho-capitalism. If there is a market for privacy then it will be met proportional to the demand.
How do we manifest a community wide idea of free travel (implying a majority interest in infrastructure built and provided at cost) with the freedom of "rent seekers" and "land owners/ infrastructure builders" to "freely engage in construction and contract with travelers upon the roads"?
Talk to John Gilmore. Just kidding. An anarchocapitalist would disagree that travel should necessarily be free. The second answer regarding "engaging in construction and contract": an entrepreneur builds a toll road and runs it as a business. Part of the initial investment is the contracting with land owners. Or call yourself the state and steal the land.
Is this a prisoner's dilemma?
You are number 6.
Although all our roads in Australia were free from "all evil tolls" for much of a century, the rent seekers corrupted our politicians with much greese, and now road tolls pop up all over the country. How would political anarchism not "degrade" to the power of financial corruption in a similar way as our demoncratic governments?
The notion that tolls are "evil" is a misnomer. In the context of the state it is potentially an additional tax. But paying to use a private road is not evil in nature.
--- In Australia, our "democratic powers/ goverment" have facilitated illegal contracts and multi decade rent seekers to tax the population on roads already paid for by the government.
Notwithstanding that the jetsons era may make the question of roads per se less relevant over time, this question in my mind arises regarding political anarchism and what is termed 'natural monopolies', in this specific thread, roads.
The Great Charter, or Magna Carta/ Charter, proscribes that there shall "be no evil tolls" - which means no travel checkpoints requiring fee payment, i.e. tax collection at point of passing, commonly today called "road tolls" (at least in Australia). This was to protect merchants against the taxing intention, and it is a given that this also includes those not engaging in commerce but still traveling.
Here in Australia not only do we have the present day continuation of the Magna Carta and the English Bill of Rights (and many other Imperial Statutes) active within the jurisdictions of our states (although most people are not aware of this, the courts and legislation are aware of it) we also have Section 92 of our federal constitution which states "trade commerce and intercourse [travel] amongst the states, shall be absolutely free", which interpretation is open to some debate in political circles despite how it reads to the common man.
In Australia the Imperial Statutes are firmly entrenched thanks to: - The Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act (our federal constitution) which invokes the Crown; - The Imperial Acts Application Act (respectively, in each state, such as New South Wales, Victoria, etc); - The Australia High Court (our highest court) rulings of Mabo and in particular Mabo 2 (I think 1999).
There's always neurocam.
Despite what ought be protection, our demoncratic parliaments have sold our roads to the highest bidder, which in our case is nearly always Macquarie Bank.
This is neocorporatism. When the state fixes an auction you don't have a free market.
Zenaan
Sorry to top post: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-market_roads https://mises.ca/posts/blog/but-who-will-build-the-roads/ Zenaan Harkness:
Beginner anarchist alert. Wanting to get a better understanding of possible outcomes.
On 11/1/15, intelemetry <intelemetry@openmailbox.org> wrote:
Democracy is the tyranny of the majority, and assassination politics is dangerous in that regard when they are coupled. Private arbitration agreements with private security forces wherein mobility has reciprocal agreements (similar to current travel) seems more reasonable.
How would we handle road-building rent-seekers (i.e. those who would collect tax/ rent for travel) - i.e. at the moment in Australia banks give loans to private companies to build roads, which by illegal (unconstitutional) contracts, massive rents/ taxes over many decades, are collected from the population?
How would the idea of "all have a right to travel anonymously and absolutely freely (free from tax, free from arbitrary punishment)" be manifested in a political anarchy country?
How do we manifest a community wide idea of free travel (implying a majority interest in infrastructure built and provided at cost) with the freedom of "rent seekers" and "land owners/ infrastructure builders" to "freely engage in construction and contract with travelers upon the roads"?
Is this a prisoner's dilemma?
Although all our roads in Australia were free from "all evil tolls" for much of a century, the rent seekers corrupted our politicians with much greese, and now road tolls pop up all over the country. How would political anarchism not "degrade" to the power of financial corruption in a similar way as our demoncratic governments?
--- In Australia, our "democratic powers/ goverment" have facilitated illegal contracts and multi decade rent seekers to tax the population on roads already paid for by the government.
Notwithstanding that the jetsons era may make the question of roads per se less relevant over time, this question in my mind arises regarding political anarchism and what is termed 'natural monopolies', in this specific thread, roads.
The Great Charter, or Magna Carta/ Charter, proscribes that there shall "be no evil tolls" - which means no travel checkpoints requiring fee payment, i.e. tax collection at point of passing, commonly today called "road tolls" (at least in Australia). This was to protect merchants against the taxing intention, and it is a given that this also includes those not engaging in commerce but still traveling.
Here in Australia not only do we have the present day continuation of the Magna Carta and the English Bill of Rights (and many other Imperial Statutes) active within the jurisdictions of our states (although most people are not aware of this, the courts and legislation are aware of it) we also have Section 92 of our federal constitution which states "trade commerce and intercourse [travel] amongst the states, shall be absolutely free", which interpretation is open to some debate in political circles despite how it reads to the common man.
In Australia the Imperial Statutes are firmly entrenched thanks to: - The Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act (our federal constitution) which invokes the Crown; - The Imperial Acts Application Act (respectively, in each state, such as New South Wales, Victoria, etc); - The Australia High Court (our highest court) rulings of Mabo and in particular Mabo 2 (I think 1999).
Despite what ought be protection, our demoncratic parliaments have sold our roads to the highest bidder, which in our case is nearly always Macquarie Bank.
Zenaan
Zenaan Harkness:
Beginner anarchist alert. Wanting to get a better understanding of possible outcomes.
On 11/1/15, intelemetry <intelemetry@openmailbox.org> wrote:
Democracy is the tyranny of the majority, and assassination politics is dangerous in that regard when they are coupled. Private arbitration agreements with private security forces wherein mobility has reciprocal agreements (similar to current travel) seems more reasonable.
How would we handle road-building rent-seekers (i.e. those who would collect tax/ rent for travel) - i.e. at the moment in Australia banks give loans to private companies to build roads, which by illegal (unconstitutional) contracts, massive rents/ taxes over many decades, are collected from the population?
This is called a 'subsidy.' https://mises.org/library/snare-government-subsidies https://mises.org/library/robbery-subsidy
How would the idea of "all have a right to travel anonymously and absolutely freely (free from tax, free from arbitrary punishment)" be manifested in a political anarchy country?
How do we manifest a community wide idea of free travel (implying a majority interest in infrastructure built and provided at cost) with the freedom of "rent seekers" and "land owners/ infrastructure builders" to "freely engage in construction and contract with travelers upon the roads"?
Is this a prisoner's dilemma?
Although all our roads in Australia were free from "all evil tolls" for much of a century, the rent seekers corrupted our politicians with much greese, and now road tolls pop up all over the country. How would political anarchism not "degrade" to the power of financial corruption in a similar way as our demoncratic governments?
--- In Australia, our "democratic powers/ goverment" have facilitated illegal contracts and multi decade rent seekers to tax the population on roads already paid for by the government.
Notwithstanding that the jetsons era may make the question of roads per se less relevant over time, this question in my mind arises regarding political anarchism and what is termed 'natural monopolies', in this specific thread, roads.
The Great Charter, or Magna Carta/ Charter, proscribes that there shall "be no evil tolls" - which means no travel checkpoints requiring fee payment, i.e. tax collection at point of passing, commonly today called "road tolls" (at least in Australia). This was to protect merchants against the taxing intention, and it is a given that this also includes those not engaging in commerce but still traveling.
Here in Australia not only do we have the present day continuation of the Magna Carta and the English Bill of Rights (and many other Imperial Statutes) active within the jurisdictions of our states (although most people are not aware of this, the courts and legislation are aware of it) we also have Section 92 of our federal constitution which states "trade commerce and intercourse [travel] amongst the states, shall be absolutely free", which interpretation is open to some debate in political circles despite how it reads to the common man.
In Australia the Imperial Statutes are firmly entrenched thanks to: - The Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act (our federal constitution) which invokes the Crown; - The Imperial Acts Application Act (respectively, in each state, such as New South Wales, Victoria, etc); - The Australia High Court (our highest court) rulings of Mabo and in particular Mabo 2 (I think 1999).
Despite what ought be protection, our demoncratic parliaments have sold our roads to the highest bidder, which in our case is nearly always Macquarie Bank.
Zenaan
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