EFF / applied law mailing list?
Is there such thing as an applied law / best practices mailing list in the digital field... perhaps suited to service providers, but also covering users, and meta-orgs of digital/privacy/activism/rights, etc? And perhaps where real lawyers might actually participate in discussion.
On 7/26/14, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there such thing as an applied law / best practices mailing list in the digital field... perhaps suited to service providers, but also covering users, and meta-orgs of digital/privacy/activism/rights, etc? And perhaps where real lawyers might actually participate in discussion.
There was Groklaw, but that is no more. I have presumed in the past that certain "groundwork" work might be useful for those involved in cases. However, pre-emptive action is difficult due to the number of jurisdictions. Groklaw built on the SCO case, which was a) widely reported, b) struck at the heart of the free/libre software world, c) involved big budged companies, d) continued for a very long time. A very valuable literary-legal resource was created by that effort (other cases were covered to some degrees). I would discourage self-represented defence in cases surrounding Tor/I2P etc, due to the potential significance of adverse consequences to the broader *globabl* free-speech network communities! Self-represented may be ok in conjunction with support from pro-liberty lawyers. This might be quite jurisdiction-sensitive, I don't know. But first and foremost, we have a duty of care to each other in this freedom-speech community, to not hide such cases from those who would be able to support, due to the potential community chilling effects. SO, such a list might be a very useful thing to set up, so that those who might "valantly" charge ahead in a case self-representing, might receive the support and the cautions from supportive lawyers regarding all possible approaches, etc, etc. Regards Zenaan
i would be interested to collaborate on making one On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On 7/26/14, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there such thing as an applied law / best practices mailing list in the digital field... perhaps suited to service providers, but also covering users, and meta-orgs of digital/privacy/activism/rights, etc? And perhaps where real lawyers might actually participate in discussion.
There was Groklaw, but that is no more.
I have presumed in the past that certain "groundwork" work might be useful for those involved in cases.
However, pre-emptive action is difficult due to the number of jurisdictions. Groklaw built on the SCO case, which was a) widely reported, b) struck at the heart of the free/libre software world, c) involved big budged companies, d) continued for a very long time.
A very valuable literary-legal resource was created by that effort (other cases were covered to some degrees).
I would discourage self-represented defence in cases surrounding Tor/I2P etc, due to the potential significance of adverse consequences to the broader *globabl* free-speech network communities!
Self-represented may be ok in conjunction with support from pro-liberty lawyers. This might be quite jurisdiction-sensitive, I don't know.
But first and foremost, we have a duty of care to each other in this freedom-speech community, to not hide such cases from those who would be able to support, due to the potential community chilling effects.
SO, such a list might be a very useful thing to set up, so that those who might "valantly" charge ahead in a case self-representing, might receive the support and the cautions from supportive lawyers regarding all possible approaches, etc, etc.
Regards Zenaan
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An educational/ literary resource would resemble groklaw it seems. On 7/27/14, Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
i would be interested to collaborate on making one
On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On 7/26/14, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there such thing as an applied law / best practices mailing list in the digital field... perhaps suited to service providers, but also covering users, and meta-orgs of digital/privacy/activism/rights, etc? And perhaps where real lawyers might actually participate in discussion.
There was Groklaw, but that is no more.
I have presumed in the past that certain "groundwork" work might be useful for those involved in cases.
However, pre-emptive action is difficult due to the number of jurisdictions. Groklaw built on the SCO case, which was a) widely reported, b) struck at the heart of the free/libre software world, c) involved big budged companies, d) continued for a very long time.
A very valuable literary-legal resource was created by that effort (other cases were covered to some degrees).
I would discourage self-represented defence in cases surrounding Tor/I2P etc, due to the potential significance of adverse consequences to the broader *globabl* free-speech network communities!
Self-represented may be ok in conjunction with support from pro-liberty lawyers. This might be quite jurisdiction-sensitive, I don't know.
But first and foremost, we have a duty of care to each other in this freedom-speech community, to not hide such cases from those who would be able to support, due to the potential community chilling effects.
SO, such a list might be a very useful thing to set up, so that those who might "valantly" charge ahead in a case self-representing, might receive the support and the cautions from supportive lawyers regarding all possible approaches, etc, etc.
Regards Zenaan
-- Cari Machet NYC 646-436-7795 carimachet@gmail.com AIM carismachet Syria +963-099 277 3243 Amman +962 077 636 9407 Berlin +49 152 11779219 Reykjavik +354 894 8650 Twitter: @carimachet <https://twitter.com/carimachet>
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Juan scrit... I doubt it. That's not how the maffia operates.
Maffia are solely responsible for their image. What better way to repair it. On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
cases
I said applied / best practices... ok, even if that includes hypothetical cases discussion... but not intending extant first person cases. Though it could presumably be used to find assistance therein.
An educational/ literary resource would resemble groklaw it seems.
A resource is not a discussion, it's a book, boring, static, and unadapted.
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 01:59:27 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there such thing as an applied law / best practices mailing list in the digital field... perhaps suited to service providers, but also covering users, and meta-orgs of digital/privacy/activism/rights, etc? And perhaps where real lawyers might actually participate in discussion.
I doubt it. That's not how the maffia operates.
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