On 09/06/2016 05:01 AM, Mirimir wrote:

On 09/06/2016 05:44 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

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Why could this list be a target for (paid) trolls?

I hear that this list is target of (paid) trolls and browsing it appears to support this.

That makes about as much sense as anything else, I guess ;)

But what evidence do you have? URLs?

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Why so?

I don't see enough "value" in the list for such attack, short of just propaganda playground.

Some people don't charge very much for their services, maybe?

I don't think anyone is being paid specifically to troll this list to disrupt it's operations. Perhaps to glean information on it's users by getting them to respond in 'anger' or with other emotions. Emotional responses, like panicked responses in real life, are often fubar and on a list like this 'fubar' might reveal information about yourself to add to the gubmint's subversives list entry for you. I've already noted attempts to use common psycho-emotional traits of activists as an attempt to glean info about myself. I'M NOT providing any further details Rr

On 09/06/2016 05:24 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

On Tue, Sep 06, 2016 at 08:44:14AM -0700, Razer wrote:

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I've already noted attempts to use common psycho-emotional traits of activists as an attempt to glean info about myself. I'M NOT providing any further details

Well done! That's a great place to get to :)

Sticks and stones..

I can provide an example from mindfuck ops in relation to another time and place. The SLA and Commandante Cinque, Donald DeFreeze. After serving a stint on the LA Sheriff's Public Disorder Unit as a snitch they pulled the plug on him, stuck him in Atascadero (or was it Vacaville...) State Prison for the Criminally Insane California, and when released, after having been there when the last of the OG MKULTRA shrinks was practicing, seem to have developed the capability to attract, as the news guy I did archiving for put it: "Idealistic, Intellectual Female Victims". They have profiles for activists too. He met many of them through a 'radical' prisoner visiting program run by, apparently, the CIA, called the "Black Cultural Association" if I recall. It's in the links below. Perhaps 'he' now meetsa them on listservs... Just sayin' Rr http://www.emptymirrorbooks.com/thirdpage/doubleagent.html (Paul Krassner) http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Why%20Was%20Hearst%20Ki... (Mae Brussell, from The Realist February 1974) Cabale News Service on the release of Sarah Jane Olson: https://archive.org/details/tth_090317

(PS: May be check your whitelisting - this email landed in spam, with a few others, due to the new list domain...) On Tue, Sep 06, 2016 at 06:01:41AM -0600, Mirimir wrote:

On 09/06/2016 05:44 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

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Why could this list be a target for (paid) trolls?

I hear that this list is target of (paid) trolls and browsing it appears to support this.

Oh Georgi, dunno for sure, but I would not ordinarily have named CIA operatives as "trolls", more like marauding adventurers, clamouring for the next sovereign nation overthrow (the next Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, Brazil...) They get paid too much to be called "trolls" :)

That makes about as much sense as anything else, I guess ;)

But what evidence do you have? URLs?

Damn good question Mirimir!

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Why so?

I don't see enough "value" in the list for such attack, short of just propaganda playground.

Some people don't charge very much for their services, maybe?

For the amount of entertainment we get, the ones who are paid, are paid waay too much!

On 9/6/16, Mirimir wrote:

On 09/06/2016 05:44 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

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Why could this list be a target for (paid) trolls?

I hear that this list is target of (paid) trolls and browsing it appears to support this.

I never received Georgi's original e-mail, maybe gmail spam-filtered it. I was harshly targeted as an activist around 2015 during the time I joined this lists. Activities and comnmunities I visited were obstructed heavily. I was likely on a corrupt terrorist suspect list, and I was losing my mind from absolutely everything I tried running into an issue. I think I made a big impact on the people trying to coerce me with my resourcefulness and unwillingness. I acted as if I was freely willing to die to protect what I felt was right, I was happy living with no money or resources at all due to my survival training, and I had the technical expertise to feel confident around solving any technological problem. When I went into a tor chatroom and spoke with people from this list, I was breaking out of an ISP bubble doing so. I was experiencing changing SSL certificates, website content that appeared different on home computers from public computers, phones that didn't ring when called despite having a signal, email and other messaging archives disappearing or changing, etc. Things changed a lot when I was able to use tor to contact other people. The whole city environment changed (homeless activist community perspective). Not necessarily for the better. These peoples' jobs (which they do not seem to be paid for, in my experience) seem to be to either shift people to do different things with their lives and communities, or slowly and completely destroy them, so that various activism or resources that activists could use do not happen. Because I was able to defeat internet censorship, reactivate and archive evidence from disabled computer systems, and had the confidence to pursue building a shielded room or using SDRs to look at communications when experiencing evidence of wireless compromise (usually a millionaires thing), and I share expertise with people on this list, it could have been similarly targeted. As many know, they don't seem to understand the technology at all, they just don't want people to be able to find or stop their activities of oppression and manipulation.