Large datasets missing off wikileaks.org for weeks
If you go to https://wikileaks.org/ and click various datasets, you get various errors. Click on the leak called The Intolerance Network or click on the leak called Fishrot, and you are taken to nothing more than an Error page. Click on the embassy shopping list one, and you get returned the main/front wikileaks.org page. Try for the Podesta Emails or the Hillary Clinton Email Archive, and you just get an Error page. DNC emails, Error page. HBGary and Stratfor emails seem to be vanished also. I noticed this a week or two ago and thought it was some temporary error and paid no mind to it. Then I noticed @fungiblesoul tweeting about it today and thought wow, is wikileaks hemorraghing people that keep their files online? For years, WL diehards argued someone's life is only valuable insofar as it shines a light on Assadnge's legal situation. WL ignored the federal cases of their sources, since those might distract from Assadgne's, and they did nothing to promote leaks such as the HBGary re-publication one, which was used by Assadnge to talk about himself in an egomaniacal press release -- not a single article investigating the cache was ever published as a result of the HBGary re-publication. Since almost no one prefers articles to fandom, this sad state suits nearly everyone on the planet. Thankfully it looks like the 'narcisistic hierarchy' bubble around Assadgne -- his loyalists repeatedly told me hierarchy is ubiquitous, ignoring scientific studies showing fairness in children -- Assadnge, one of the latest contenders for the dipshit title of Great Man, has burst, and his not-even-a-wiki website may be falling apart, leaving his fans crying and having to either find a new narcissist to worship or instead having to get some hobbies and pursue developing their own neglected selves. Or maybe the datasets will be all back up on wikileaks.org tomorrow. Who knows?
Something happening. Lights may be cast into darkness. If so, do what you can. Julian Assange is a political prisoner and must be released. https://standwithdanielhale.org/ Daniel Hale is suffering in a dungeon for the "crime" of revealing 9 out of 10 people the US kills with drones are mere bystanders. https://twitter.com/soholondonfilm/status/1591906433742016512 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/06/20/mike-pompeo-summoned-testi... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/17/the-guardian-view-on-j... https://www.mintpressnews.com/elon-musk-not-renegade-outsider-cia-pentagon-c... https://news.yahoo.com/pompeo-sources-for-yahoo-news-wiki-leaks-report-shoul...
dal your more topical content is great but you’re conflating a serious systems administration situation here (missing files) with a political one (assange, hierarchy, etc). we need to access and share the real files. this means also working with wikileaks when nonharmful to do so. it is of course normal for figures of international resistance to be portrayed and influenced these ways, and it does indeed mean to trust them a little less when it happens. us included.
See below On 2022-11-20 09:50, Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many wrote:
you’re conflating a serious systems administration situation here (missing files) with a political one (assange, hierarchy, etc).
Possibly. But, if WL staff/volunteers are being diverted from systems administration to tasks that inflate Assadnge's reputation/ego/etc, such as finding and contacting celebs to speak on his behalf, the website will suffer. I have no direct evidence that's the case here but it's a likely possibility given their long-term negligence toward promoting datasets and defending sources. So while I'm guessing, it is an educated guess that WL is likely diverting resources from maintaining the website, the leaks, the journalism, and shifting them toward fluffing Assadnge (and, lately, Jordan Peterson). Manning says something brief along these lines in her new book, too. That will have consequences. The antonym of narcissism is effort.
along these lines in her new book, too. That will have consequences. The antonym of narcissism is effort.
I disagree with much of how you say things here ("Assadnge?" why would anybody ever say this unless trying to participate in political targeting of him?), but I agree on this last sentence. These are important documents and we should be engaging wikileaks and the internet in general in an attempt to recover them.
See below. On 11/20/22 19:15, Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many wrote:
along these lines in her new book, too. That will have consequences. The antonym of narcissism is effort.
I disagree with much of how you say things here ("Assadnge?" why would anybody ever say this unless trying to participate in political targeting of him?), but I agree on this last sentence.
These are important documents and we should be engaging wikileaks and the internet in general in an attempt to recover them.
Great, we can recover the records of Syria-Russia bank deal that WikiLeaks hid https://www.dailydot.com/debug/wikileaks-syria-files-syria-russia-bank-2-bil... and engage with WL to procure the publication of the audio files of what happened in this meeting https://archive.nytimes.com/thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/30/assanges-fa... since everyone involved is so in favor of transparency for politicians behind closed doors, etc.
On 11/20/22, Douglas Lucas <dal@riseup.net> wrote:
See below.
On 11/20/22 19:15, Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many wrote:
along these lines in her new book, too. That will have consequences. The antonym of narcissism is effort.
I disagree with much of how you say things here ("Assadnge?" why would anybody ever say this unless trying to participate in political targeting of him?), but I agree on this last sentence.
These are important documents and we should be engaging wikileaks and the internet in general in an attempt to recover them.
Great, we can recover the records of Syria-Russia bank deal that WikiLeaks hid https://www.dailydot.com/debug/wikileaks-syria-files-syria-russia-bank-2-bil...
and engage with WL to procure the publication of the audio files of what happened in this meeting https://archive.nytimes.com/thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/30/assanges-fa...
since everyone involved is so in favor of transparency for politicians behind closed doors, etc.
Not sure what you’re assuming here, but I support file recovery and distribution, and I hope you are well. To relate, it’s normative to engage with web admins around broken links. It’s alao normative to scrounge from other avenues than the original releaser. That assad meeting sounds super helpful as well. Regarding the first article, I have no way of knowing why it says that, but my understanding is that it is common for targeted groups to both have agents placed in them to redirect internal activities, and to also be misrepresented publicly.
Regarding the first article, I have no way of knowing why it says that, but my understanding is that it is common for targeted groups to both have agents placed in them to redirect internal activities, and to also be misrepresented publicly.
So your theory is that if an individual or group has opponents, then they're off the hook should a credible accusation show up, because maybe the accusation isn't actually credible. Since all individuals and groups have opponents, they're all off scot free now, innocent of any credible accusation. There is a way of knowing why the article says that. It's an ancient technique called "reading." I think bottom line, cypherpunks believes Assadnge can delete any leak, kick any source in the head, and assist any dictator, and it's justified becuase [insert fanboy bullshit here]. I'm ashamed to have wasted so much time on this list today. I'm de-subscribing. Jack off to narcissists deleting leaks and climbing the ladder by stepping on the heads of their sources yourselves.
On 11/20/22, Douglas Lucas <dal@riseup.net> wrote:
Regarding the first article, I have no way of knowing why it says that, but my understanding is that it is common for targeted groups to both have agents placed in them to redirect internal activities, and to also be misrepresented publicly.
So your theory is that if an individual or group has opponents, then they're off the hook should a credible accusation show up, because maybe the accusation isn't actually credible. Since all individuals and groups have opponents, they're all off scot free now, innocent of any credible accusation.
I don't mean to argue with you. I like you. The things you are saying here seem somewhat over the top to me. The article of course has value, nor is anyone off scot free.
There is a way of knowing why the article says that. It's an ancient technique called "reading."
I think bottom line, cypherpunks believes Assadnge can delete any leak, kick any source in the head, and assist any dictator, and it's justified becuase [insert fanboy bullshit here].
It is completely unacceptable to delete a leak. I'm actually similarly upset with other things like what you describe (like when greg did not re-add everybody after everybody was removed from the list) -- (or when I gave sharp political stimulation to cecilia when she was asking for help before she died) -- these behaviors are _severely harmful_.
I'm ashamed to have wasted so much time on this list today. I'm de-subscribing. Jack off to narcissists deleting leaks and climbing the ladder by stepping on the heads of their sources yourselves.
I'm not doing this, Douglas, I'm a troll here. I'm saying we need to _recover the leaks_. What is important is _recovering the leaks_. If that means sueing WL or somesuch to do so, that's an avenue.
On Sun, 20 Nov 2022 00:37:17 +0000 Douglas Lucas <dal@riseup.net> wrote:
Thankfully it looks like the 'narcisistic hierarchy' bubble around Assadgne
lawl - yet another jewnazi non-human cop whining about assange.
Or maybe the datasets will be all back up on wikileaks.org tomorrow. Who knows?
I just checked, and now the hompeage is gone as well. 502 Bad Gateway So, you (jewnazi US government agent(s)) deleted the whole site, and you non-human turd lucas were ordered to come here to brag, posing as a 'third party observer'.
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