Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

Hi @abditum. I know 'Griffin Boyce' is a pretty beautiful name, but it is _not_ yours. Please stop using it. It's creepy, uh! :( Quinn tried to explain you how the (North!) American elections work. It's pretty illogical, unfair and doesn't make any sense to the rest of the world, but hey, it is _not_ his fault! He was just trying to help you, guy. There was no sarcasm or lie in his message. Bye. - c. On Nov 12, 2016 3:28 AM, "Griffin Boyce" wrote:

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Shawn K. Quinn: Let me explain to you how presidential voting works (in every state but Maine and Nebraska, anyway)

Don't care about rules. YOU could've written in anybody yins wanted, stupid.

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voting for Gary Johnson was the same as voting for Trump

A vote for one is not a vote for another.

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it is what it is

They call this quitter.

Shawn K. Quinn

16 Nov 16 Nov

10:53 a.m.

On 11/12/2016 02:41 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

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Quinn tried to explain you how the (North!) American elections work. It's pretty illogical, unfair and doesn't make any sense to the rest of the world, but hey, it is _not_ his fault! He was just trying to help you, guy. There was no sarcasm or lie in his message.

Exactly. Sure, technically you can write in anybody and vote for anybody on the ballot. But the reality is, unless an overwhelming number of people vote third-party, it's just going to take more votes away from the second-place candidate and it's effectively a vote for the eventual winner. Doesn't matter if the votes are for Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, Evan McMullin, or Mickey Mouse. -- Shawn K. Quinn http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com

John Newman

11:24 a.m.

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On Nov 16, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

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On 11/12/2016 02:41 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote: Quinn tried to explain you how the (North!) American elections work. It's pretty illogical, unfair and doesn't make any sense to the rest of the world, but hey, it is _not_ his fault! He was just trying to help you, guy. There was no sarcasm or lie in his message.

Exactly. Sure, technically you can write in anybody and vote for anybody on the ballot. But the reality is, unless an overwhelming number of people vote third-party, it's just going to take more votes away from the second-place candidate and it's effectively a vote for the eventual winner. Doesn't matter if the votes are for Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, Evan McMullin, or Mickey Mouse.

-- Shawn K. Quinn http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com

The other thing about US elections is the whole thing is a dog and pony show for the "electorate". Maybe Hillary would've done marginally better on the environment. Otherwise, even with an embarrassing buffoon like Trump... what's the fucking difference? John

Razer

4:12 p.m.

On 11/16/2016 02:53 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

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Quinn tried to explain you how the (North!) American elections work. It's pretty illogical, unfair and doesn't make any sense to the rest of the world, but hey, it is _not_ his fault! He was just trying to help you, guy. There was no sarcasm or lie in his message. Exactly. Sure, technically you can write in anybody and vote for anybody on the ballot. But the reality is, unless an overwhelming number of

On 11/12/2016 02:41 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote: people vote third-party, it's just going to take more votes away from the second-place candidate and it's effectively a vote for the eventual winner. Doesn't matter if the votes are for Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, Evan McMullin, or Mickey Mouse.

You know... When people tell me voting for a third party does this or that, or how it will break the system... That's EXACTLY what I want. What I'm wondering is how many people voted for the guy with the little hands just to break the motherfucker, not because they thought he'd 'do a good job'. Probably more than anyone knows. Rr

Shawn K. Quinn

4:19 p.m.

On 11/16/2016 10:12 AM, Razer wrote:

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On 11/16/2016 02:53 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

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Quinn tried to explain you how the (North!) American elections work. It's pretty illogical, unfair and doesn't make any sense to the rest of the world, but hey, it is _not_ his fault! He was just trying to help you, guy. There was no sarcasm or lie in his message. Exactly. Sure, technically you can write in anybody and vote for anybody on the ballot. But the reality is, unless an overwhelming number of

On 11/12/2016 02:41 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote: people vote third-party, it's just going to take more votes away from the second-place candidate and it's effectively a vote for the eventual winner. Doesn't matter if the votes are for Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, Evan McMullin, or Mickey Mouse.

You know... When people tell me voting for a third party does this or that, or how it will break the system...

That's EXACTLY what I want.

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What I'm wondering is how many people voted for the guy with the little hands just to break the motherfucker, not because they thought he'd 'do a good job'. Probably more than anyone knows. I'd like to know why there are so many stupid people in this country

It doesn't do what you think it does. It does nothing to break the system. In Texas, if you voted for Stein, Johnson, McMullin, or Mickey Mouse... you effectively voted for Trump and made it that much more difficult to turn Texas blue. that actually thought Trump would be a good president. -- Shawn K. Quinn http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com

jim bell

4:40 p.m.

From: Shawn K. Quinn

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That's EXACTLY what I want. It doesn't do what you think it does. It does nothing to break the system. In Texas, if you voted for Stein, Johnson, McMullin, or Mickey Mouse... you effectively voted for Trump and made it that much more difficult to turn Texas blue. I guess you're assuming that everybody WANTS to "turn Texas blue". As a lifetime libertarian, just about the last thing I want would be to "turn Texas blue". Jim Bell

Razer

4:46 p.m.

On 11/16/2016 08:19 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

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It doesn't do what you think it does.

Quite simply, you're wrong. But I guess it depends on your POV of what you consider "Broken". Unfortunately the shitstem repairs itself as soon as everyone stops hammering on it. We need more 'hammers', and people who don't turn their back as soon as the oppressor they desired opressor (Carter, Obama, pick a blue faction president) is elected. Democrat progressive liberals and Republican Libertarians, the majority of IS libertards, are ABSOLUTELY part of the problem, and closeted Fascists. Just ask anyone whose (formerly) lived in a 'hipster gentrified' community.

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It does nothing to break the system. In Texas, if you voted for Stein, Johnson, McMullin, or Mickey Mouse... you effectively voted for Trump and made it that much more difficult to turn Texas blue.

I'll repeat something I KNOW I said on this list somewhere along the line: I don't give a fuck about your "Blue" faction of the one party state with an ideology of American exceptionalism, and global war as it's economic basis. Ps. Just gave this link https://pando.com/2015/06/22/we-got-geeks/ to someone researching the connection between a Google exec who lives locally and a local anti-homeless hate group/gentrifier/property development org. I understand you work for Google. If you do, you're working for Fascists-in-America. Rr

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On 11/16/2016 10:12 AM, Razer wrote:

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On 11/16/2016 02:53 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

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Quinn tried to explain you how the (North!) American elections work. It's pretty illogical, unfair and doesn't make any sense to the rest of the world, but hey, it is _not_ his fault! He was just trying to help you, guy. There was no sarcasm or lie in his message. Exactly. Sure, technically you can write in anybody and vote for anybody on the ballot. But the reality is, unless an overwhelming number of

On 11/12/2016 02:41 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote: people vote third-party, it's just going to take more votes away from the second-place candidate and it's effectively a vote for the eventual winner. Doesn't matter if the votes are for Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, Evan McMullin, or Mickey Mouse.

You know... When people tell me voting for a third party does this or that, or how it will break the system...

That's EXACTLY what I want.

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What I'm wondering is how many people voted for the guy with the little hands just to break the motherfucker, not because they thought he'd 'do a good job'. Probably more than anyone knows. I'd like to know why there are so many stupid people in this country

It doesn't do what you think it does. It does nothing to break the system. In Texas, if you voted for Stein, Johnson, McMullin, or Mickey Mouse... you effectively voted for Trump and made it that much more difficult to turn Texas blue. that actually thought Trump would be a good president.

Shawn K. Quinn

6:14 p.m.

On 11/16/2016 10:46 AM, Razer wrote:

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I'll repeat something I KNOW I said on this list somewhere along the line:

I don't give a fuck about your "Blue" faction of the one party state with an ideology of American exceptionalism, and global war as it's economic basis. Honestly, if you're going to vote exclusively for candidates with no realistic chance of being elected... you may as well just not vote. Ps. Just gave this link https://pando.com/2015/06/22/we-got-geeks/ to someone researching the connection between a Google exec who lives locally and a local anti-homeless hate group/gentrifier/property development org.

I understand you work for Google. If you do, you're working for Fascists-in-America. I do not work for Google. Whoever told you this was mistaken and has made an error in fact.

(If I did, wouldn't I be using a Gmail address? Also, if I did work for Google, why would I openly criticize them on my blog?) -- Shawn K. Quinn http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com

Razer

6:33 p.m.

On 11/16/2016 10:14 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

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On 11/16/2016 10:46 AM, Razer wrote:

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I'll repeat something I KNOW I said on this list somewhere along the line:

I don't give a fuck about your "Blue" faction of the one party state with an ideology of American exceptionalism, and global war as it's economic basis. Honestly, if you're going to vote exclusively for candidates with no realistic chance of being elected... you may as well just not vote.

I DON'T vote, and further, as I stated farther back, even the Narco-state Colombia has a "none" option on their ballots. Rr

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Ps. Just gave this link https://pando.com/2015/06/22/we-got-geeks/ to someone researching the connection between a Google exec who lives locally and a local anti-homeless hate group/gentrifier/property development org.

I understand you work for Google. If you do, you're working for Fascists-in-America. I do not work for Google. Whoever told you this was mistaken and has made an error in fact.

(If I did, wouldn't I be using a Gmail address? Also, if I did work for Google, why would I openly criticize them on my blog?) -- Shawn K. Quinn http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com

Steve Kinney

5:14 p.m.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/16/2016 11:19 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

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It doesn't do what you think it does. It does nothing to break the system. In Texas, if you voted for Stein, Johnson, McMullin, or Mickey Mouse... you effectively voted for Trump and made it that much more difficult to turn Texas blue.

When the DNC deliberately sabotaged the Sanders campaign, using every means necessary to assure Clinton's nomination, the Democratic Party lost the Presidential election. It's as simple as that. The Democratic party just proved itself worse than worthless and less than useless, except of course in the eyes of Progressive Liberals who expect to gain personal financial advantages from NeoLiberal national policy. Even with Sanders, they could have kept and expanded their personal sense of categorical superiority to anyone who is so ignorant, bigoted, etc. as to disagree with them.

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I'd like to know why there are so many stupid people in this country that actually thought Trump would be a good president.

Show a Progressive Liberal a button labeled "Kill a random foreign family to help assure your own children's future financial security," and not one of them would push it. But label that button "Obama and Clinton's Foreign Policy Agenda," and they will pound that button until their fingers bleed - but not as much as the children of those same foreign families bleed. They are still bleeding right now. Democratic Party loyalists who take great pride in being more intelligent, responsible, and better informed than "all others" don't get a pass on the basis of ignorance. If there is /any/ basis for their posture of inherent superiority, the only explanation for their behavior is that they are ruthless, vicious persons who heartily endorse mass murder for profit, while quite deliberately lying to themselves and others about that - with the kindly assistance of bullshit packaged and fed to them by propaganda contractors working the Left Wing audience. In a contest between a loose cannon with no track record in public service, and a tried, proven, effective public servant with a track record of mass murder /and/ significant evidence indicating that she takes childish delight in murder, who does a "stupid" person vote for? Either, go toss a coin; stupid people vote for propaganda images. Who does an intelligent, educated, upwardly mobile middle class Liberal vote for? The proven killer, every time. And when they lose, they come up snarling. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJYLJQFAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqkKQH/iAP8TTQI2Jo2KXBSuE5yqBr qqxMzoWgLWesnZ2Vmqz0ytoGxzJCNcRHWIZaJsS1JWYB1Xrk3Vlir6Rx6Uci18dl ZaKM2hSqpeHDDuujICJLNCHcfPiP07rFMXTGYZnXqng6tmS8hb3BE8zL0tVSfYWJ KhzpzOvxMSPL+eNYEqQVwB8hai7qvrPGPLess19BxnttIr76M+EKjgZfRT/J4XFo o7uT1y/sgNBaZVhqz6vxIn5fHNIXUOZqpOk3iyqMV5fyvLyG0EZT1LSfJiLAJI+b rUopNjH5Qu3LrqydP/V3m5tvqo2/Y2r64x/RkgI34hP/m86oJtxxBffppwFDNXc= =4nNG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Shawn K. Quinn

6:26 p.m.

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On 11/16/2016 11:19 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

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It doesn't do what you think it does. It does nothing to break the system. In Texas, if you voted for Stein, Johnson, McMullin, or Mickey Mouse... you effectively voted for Trump and made it that much more difficult to turn Texas blue.

When the DNC deliberately sabotaged the Sanders campaign, using every means necessary to assure Clinton's nomination, the Democratic Party lost the Presidential election. It's as simple as that. If you're saying Bernie would have slayed it against the Donald in the November election if given the chance, I agree. However the Clinton campaign did make quite a few mistakes that hurt whatever chance she had. The Democratic party just proved itself worse than worthless and less than useless, except of course in the eyes of Progressive Liberals who expect to gain personal financial advantages from NeoLiberal national policy. Even with Sanders, they could have kept and expanded their personal sense of categorical superiority to anyone who is so ignorant, bigoted, etc. as to disagree with them. I wouldn't say "worse than worthless and less than useless" but I am definitely disappointed in the Democratic party leadership. Of course,

On 11/16/2016 11:14 AM, Steve Kinney wrote: the Republican party proved itself worthless by nominating Trump, who still got elected despite former presidents urging voters not to vote for him! Despite being the biggest jerk that I've ever seen a presidential candidate be. Despite openly violating laws against inciting a riot (I'm still not sure how he got away with that). Despite asking "why can't we just nuke Russia?" three times in the span of an hour-long national security briefing (this one scares the hell out of me and it should scare the hell out of you too). Despite the inexcusable "7-11" gaffe (sheesh, even Dan Quayle wouldn't have screwed up *that* badly). -- Shawn K. Quinn http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com

Zenaan Harkness

8:53 p.m.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 12:26:23PM -0600, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

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On 11/16/2016 11:14 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:

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On 11/16/2016 11:19 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

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It doesn't do what you think it does. It does nothing to break the system. In Texas, if you voted for Stein, Johnson, McMullin, or Mickey Mouse... you effectively voted for Trump and made it that much more difficult to turn Texas blue.

When the DNC deliberately sabotaged the Sanders campaign, using every means necessary to assure Clinton's nomination, the Democratic Party lost the Presidential election. It's as simple as that.

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If you're saying Bernie would have slayed it against the Donald in the November election if given the chance, I agree. However the Clinton campaign did make quite a few mistakes that hurt whatever chance she had.

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The Democratic party just proved itself worse than worthless and less than useless, except of course in the eyes of Progressive Liberals who expect to gain personal financial advantages from NeoLiberal national policy. Even with Sanders, they could have kept and expanded their personal sense of categorical superiority to anyone who is so ignorant, bigoted, etc. as to disagree with them.

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I wouldn't say "worse than worthless and less than useless" but I am definitely disappointed in the Democratic party leadership.

SKQuinn, your response to Steve, and in particular the bit you left out and failed to respond to, speaks very loudly. Mash that button dude, mash that button!

John Newman

17 Nov 17 Nov

3:59 a.m.

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On Nov 16, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 12:26:23PM -0600, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

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On 11/16/2016 11:14 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:

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On 11/16/2016 11:19 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

It doesn't do what you think it does. It does nothing to break the system. In Texas, if you voted for Stein, Johnson, McMullin, or Mickey Mouse... you effectively voted for Trump and made it that much more difficult to turn Texas blue.

When the DNC deliberately sabotaged the Sanders campaign, using every means necessary to assure Clinton's nomination, the Democratic Party lost the Presidential election. It's as simple as that.

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If you're saying Bernie would have slayed it against the Donald in the November election if given the chance, I agree. However the Clinton campaign did make quite a few mistakes that hurt whatever chance she had.

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The Democratic party just proved itself worse than worthless and less than useless, except of course in the eyes of Progressive Liberals who expect to gain personal financial advantages from NeoLiberal national policy. Even with Sanders, they could have kept and expanded their personal sense of categorical superiority to anyone who is so ignorant, bigoted, etc. as to disagree with them.

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I wouldn't say "worse than worthless and less than useless" but I am definitely disappointed in the Democratic party leadership.

SKQuinn, your response to Steve, and in particular the bit you left out and failed to respond to, speaks very loudly.

Mash that button dude, mash that button!

Write another tract about what a fantastic dictator Putin is and how the Russian STATE is so fucking great. Let's hear more about the good things we can learn from Stalinism Mash them buttons Zen!!! "Up your game!" And Alex : please don't fucking respond for Zen with more ascii boner art. He's a big boy.

Razer

16 Nov 16 Nov

6:30 p.m.

On 11/16/2016 09:14 AM, Steve Kinney wrote I'm going to crib:

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Show a Progressive Liberal a button labeled "Kill a random foreign family to help assure your own children's future financial security," and not one of them would push it. But label that button "Obama and Clinton's Foreign Policy Agenda," and they will pound that button until their fingers bleed - but not as much as the children of those same foreign families bleed. They are still bleeding right now.

*+* *∞ *Rr

Mirimir

6:43 p.m.

On 11/16/2016 11:30 AM, Razer wrote:

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On 11/16/2016 09:14 AM, Steve Kinney wrote I'm going to crib:

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Show a Progressive Liberal a button labeled "Kill a random foreign family to help assure your own children's future financial security," and not one of them would push it. But label that button "Obama and Clinton's Foreign Policy Agenda," and they will pound that button until their fingers bleed - but not as much as the children of those same foreign families bleed. They are still bleeding right now.

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In fucking deed!

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*Rr

grarpamp

17 Nov 17 Nov

3:51 a.m.

Laughing at all the people here debating, loving, and dying for certain parties, platforms, and ideologies whichever they may be. Ha Ha Ha! It's all a fucking setup by those ppi. Only candidates worth a shit are indies of their own mind who say fuck off / ignore to everyone else running as such a ppi, most of which are false anyway. Time people realise that and vote the indie of their choice. Support an indie, bitcoin:12Rw9woayifgHAgox9CcWizigqmtKeaqyB

juan

16 Nov 16 Nov

6:09 p.m.

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:19:46 -0600 "Shawn K. Quinn" wrote:

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In Texas, if you voted for Stein, Johnson, McMullin, or Mickey Mouse... you effectively voted for Trump and made it that much more difficult to turn Texas blue.

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I'd like to know why there are so many stupid people in this country

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