From the publisher of Right-Wing Watch.
[My note: If you read this carefully you will note that one of the endearing traits of Fascism is "Shapeshifting". It really has no fixed ideology. It morphs to suit whatever society it infests. It relies on popular opinion of whatever is 'wrong' about a society and utilizes reactionary behavior to accomplish it's goals. No political ideology is required. It's parasitic to political ideologies using the (snigger) "Little Man"(Wilhelm Reich) to make the "Big Man" bigger.] http://www.wilhelmreichtrust.org/listen_little_man.pdf A reading: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeIgAlIxI0I Originally published in 1997. [Author’s Note: I am skeptical of efforts to produce a “definition” of fascism. As a dynamic historical current, fascism has taken many different forms, and has evolved dramatically in some ways. To understand what fascism has encompassed as a movement and a system of rule, we have to look at its historical context and development–as a form of counter-revolutionary politics that first arose in early twentieth-century Europe in response to rapid social upheaval, the devastation of World War I, and the Bolshevik Revolution. The following paragraphs are intended as an initial, open-ended sketch.] Fascism is a form of extreme right-wing ideology that celebrates the nation or the race as an organic community transcending all other loyalties. It emphasizes a myth of national or racial rebirth after a period of decline or destruction. To this end, fascism calls for a “spiritual revolution” against signs of moral decay such as individualism and materialism, and seeks to purge “alien” forces and groups that threaten the organic community. Fascism tends to celebrate masculinity, youth, mystical unity, and the regenerative power of violence. Often, but not always, it promotes racial superiority doctrines, ethnic persecution, imperialist expansion, and genocide. At the same time, fascists may embrace a form of internationalism based on either racial or ideological solidarity across national boundaries. Usually fascism espouses open male supremacy, though sometimes it may also promote female solidarity and new opportunities for women of the privileged nation or race. Fascism’s approach to politics is both populist–in that it seeks to activate “the people” as a whole against perceived oppressors or enemies–and elitist–in that it treats the people’s will as embodied in a select group, or often one supreme leader, from whom authority proceeds downward. Fascism seeks to organize a cadre-led mass movement in a drive to seize state power. It seeks to forcibly subordinate all spheres of society to its ideological vision of organic community, usually through a totalitarian state. Both as a movement and a regime, fascism uses mass organizations as a system of integration and control, and uses organized violence to suppress opposition, although the scale of violence varies widely. Fascism is hostile to Marxism, liberalism, and conservatism, yet it borrows concepts and practices from all three. Fascism rejects the principles of class struggle and workers’ internationalism as threats to national or racial unity, yet it often exploits real grievances against capitalists and landowners through ethnic scapegoating or radical-sounding conspiracy theories. Fascism rejects the liberal doctrines of individual autonomy and rights, political pluralism, and representative government, yet it advocates broad popular participation in politics and may use parliamentary channels in its drive to power. Its vision of a “new order” clashes with the conservative attachment to tradition-based institutions and hierarchies, yet fascism often romanticizes the past as inspiration for national rebirth. Fascism has a complex relationship with established elites and the non-fascist right. It is never a mere puppet of the ruling class, but an autonomous movement with its own social base. In practice, fascism defends capitalism against instability and the left, but also pursues an agenda that sometimes clashes with capitalist interests in significant ways. There has been much cooperation, competition, and interaction between fascism and other sections of the right, producing various hybrid movements and regimes. Author’s postscript, December 2016. In the nineteen years since I wrote “What is fascism?,” right-wing politics have continued to evolve, and my thinking about fascism has evolved as well. In particular, my concept of fascism has broadened with regard to the following points in the above sketch: 1. “Fascism…celebrates the nation or race as an organic community transcending all other loyalties…” I now believe the category of fascism should be extended to include some movements for which nation and race are secondary or irrelevant, but which promote a myth of collective rebirth around a shared culture or ideology, notably membership in a religious group. This includes certain totalitarian branches of the Christian right, Islamic right, Jewish right, and so on. 2. “Fascism seeks to organize a cadre-led mass movement in a drive to seize state power.” Some fascist movements, notably the European New Right and currents influenced by it, have deferred state power as a goal in favor of a “metapolitical” strategy. This means a long-term effort to transform the political culture, as a precondition to transforming institutions and systems of power. 3. Fascism “seeks to forcibly subordinate all spheres of society…usually through a totalitarian state.” Over the past half century, diverse branches of the far right—including several branches of neonazism—have rejected big centralized states in favor of various moves to decentralize political power. These currents represent forms of what I have called “social totalitarianism,” which seek to impose total ideological control through local governments and/or non-state institutions, such as church and family. I believe this represents a major shift in fascist politics, and one that has been overlooked by many scholars. 4. “[F]ascism defends capitalism against instability and the left…” Some writers have argued that German National Socialism challenged the basic economic principles of capitalism, by replacing the system of industrial wage labor with a system of slave labor in which workers on a mass scale were intentionally worked to death. This interpretation, coupled with the rise of anticapitalist ideology among some neofascists, has raised the question whether fascism might in some circumstances replace capitalism with another form of class rule—or with a chaotic breakdown of socio-economic systems. For more in-depth discussions of what fascism means and how it relates to recent political developments, see my essays “Two Ways of Looking at Fascism” [http://sdonline.org/47/two-ways-of-looking-at-fascism/] (2008), “Is the Bush Administration Fascist?” [http://newpol.org/content/bush-administration-fascist] (2007), and “Trump: A fascist upsurge is just one of the dangers” [http://threewayfight.blogspot.com/2015/12/trumps-impact-fascist-upsurge-is-j...] (2015). - See more at: http://www.politicalresearch.org/2016/12/12/what-is-fascism-2/
On Feb 14, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
From the publisher of Right-Wing Watch.
If you are skeptical at efforts to define your own sworn enemy, you cannot say you know your enemy. A partisan appealing to the ‘expertise’ and ‘authority’ of another partisan who cannot maintain - even in his own mind - the definition of fascist. It’s the very definition of logical fallacy. Appeal to authority. Your enemy is Eurasia! We’ve always been at war with Eurasia! “Fascism” isn’t shapeshifting - the definition is. You invoke frightening ghosts to win support with invective you fail to comprehend. Your political opponents may be using new tactics, may be deplorable, but you need to call you enemy “fascist” otherwise it is difficult to defend the kind of histrionics you ask us to accept. You need to invoke death camps to justify your outrage. Without them, you’re simply registering a complaint and this drives you crazy - you need the ULTIMATE justification. The link at the bottom: “Is George Bush a Fascist?” - to which the answer is no; he was an asshole, but not a fascist anymore than Obama was or is - it directly contradicts the content of your copy/paste. This shit is as boring as it is shallow. Let’s stop name calling and the faux revolutionary shit, seriously - you are beginning to feel like those Heaven’s Gate types - living these grown up fairy tails with definite good and evil and space men coming to save us, destroy us, entertain us! It’s shit. Write some code, or go the fuck away.
Well, not anymore. On February 14, 2017 9:48:47 AM PST, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
On 02/14/2017 08:29 AM, Joshua Case wrote:
It’s shit. Write some code, or go the fuck away.
This isn't a coders list fuck off.
-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
On 02/14/2017 10:00 AM, some asshole wrote:
Well, not anymore.
How about Never? ... Is NEVER good for you? This NEVER was a coders list. It's a list for people interested in cybersecurity and cryptography who COULD BE coders. There are coders and cipher people who USE this list. The fellow who created the list wasn't a coder or cryptographer-for-a-living. He was an ELECTRONICS ENGINEER (my 'minor') and his intent when he created this list was fully POLITICAL. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_C._May
"Cypherpunks write code." On February 14, 2017 10:13:24 AM PST, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
On 02/14/2017 10:00 AM, some asshole wrote:
Well, not anymore.
How about Never? ... Is NEVER good for you?
This NEVER was a coders list. It's a list for people interested in cybersecurity and cryptography who COULD BE coders. There are coders and cipher people who USE this list. The fellow who created the list wasn't a coder or cryptographer-for-a-living. He was an ELECTRONICS ENGINEER (my 'minor') and his intent when he created this list was fully POLITICAL.
-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
On 02/14/2017 10:25 AM, Ted Smith wrote:
"Cypherpunks write code."
But that's not all they do....and besides (boilerplate)
The trolls infesting this list, typically suggesting it's a coders or cryptographer's list, seem to have a problem with this list's operation. Because they aren't crypto-anarchist, they're Cryptofascists who'd like to shape this list by dunning and other fascist tactics and strategies, into something more pleasing. To them. If it's any indication I see a lot of complaints about the lack of 'coders' on the list, from them, and no code being presented, by them.
I was writing code before there was any money in it, or 'gits' etc. I do other things now. Fuck off.
Cypherpunks write code.
On Feb 14, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
On 02/14/2017 10:25 AM, Ted Smith wrote: "Cypherpunks write code."
But that's not all they do....and besides (boilerplate)
The trolls infesting this list, typically suggesting it's a coders or cryptographer's list, seem to have a problem with this list's operation. Because they aren't crypto-anarchist, they're Cryptofascists who'd like to shape this list by dunning and other fascist tactics and strategies, into something more pleasing. To them. If it's any indication I see a lot of complaints about the lack of 'coders' on the list, from them, and no code being presented, by them.
I was writing code before there was any money in it, or 'gits' etc. I do other things now. Fuck off.
On 02/14/2017 10:56 AM, Joshua Case wrote:
Cypherpunks write code.
You have a very one-dimensional life if all you do is write code, and cherrypicking from the complete ideation of what Tim was considering when he created the cypherpunks concept is pretty fucking perverse. Sort of like fundamentalist religious nutjobs are perverse. Fascist are like that too. Single-minded mental midgets. Discussing code if you like. No one's stopping you, and stop trolling. Because afaict that's ALL you've contributed to this list. Even (J)uan does better than that.
On Feb 14, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Razer <g2s@riseup.net <mailto:g2s@riseup.net>> wrote:
On 02/14/2017 10:25 AM, Ted Smith wrote:
"Cypherpunks write code."
But that's not all they do....and besides (boilerplate)
The trolls infesting this list, typically suggesting it's a coders or cryptographer's list, seem to have a problem with this list's operation. Because they aren't crypto-anarchist, they're Cryptofascists who'd like to shape this list by dunning and other fascist tactics and strategies, into something more pleasing. To them. If it's any indication I see a lot of complaints about the lack of 'coders' on the list, from them, and no code being presented, by them.
I was writing code before there was any money in it, or 'gits' etc. I do other things now. Fuck off.
On Tue, 14 Feb 2017 13:56:17 -0500 Joshua Case <jwcase@gmail.com> wrote:
Cypherpunks write code.
this is a list about crypto anarchy, not a list about 'coding' Also, since this is a list about crypto ANARCHY, then people not intereted in anarchy or worse, OPENLY HOSTILE to it, should go troll somehwere else. That certainly includes the likes of "Ted Smith" and commie totatilarians like the rayzer.
I was writing code before there was any money in it, or 'gits' etc. I do other things now. Fuck off.
Take your half baked political noise back to reddit or whatever. This list is not your fucking personal Pinterest for political marketing. It had a topic and a purpose, and it was better before you started posting. Which I remember clearly. Regardless of what you read back then when you decided to start dumping here, Tim May is not the topic of this list, nor is it his idea to use code and cryptography as a means of breaking a community's reliance on systems where the whole's integrity relies on the good nature of human agency. People are irrational. Cryptography can help defend against irrational actors. But it's hard. Hard to learn math, hard to get feel compelled to give back to a society that treats you like shit inadvertently yet by design. I used to read things that helped me do the hard stuff here. You break that resource for me, call me semen, stupid, troll, then tell me the nature of this list? This list which I watched you join? And now it's just Rayzr, spitting his "series of shock slogans and mindless token tantrums" - and I should fuck off? I doubt it. This is why we can't have nice things.
what do you think a ‘cypher’ is, shill? ---- Joshua Case jwcase@gmail.com <mailto:jwcase@gmail.com> “International tensions. Mounting international tensions. First there were states of precautionary alert, then there were enhanced readiness centers. This was followed by maximum arc situational preparedness. We can measure the gravity of events by tracing the increasingly abstract nature of the terminology. One more level of vagueness and that could be it."
On Feb 14, 2017, at 12:48 PM, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
On 02/14/2017 08:29 AM, Joshua Case wrote:
It’s shit. Write some code, or go the fuck away.
This isn't a coders list fuck off.
On 14 February 2017 18:16:03 GMT+00:00, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
On 02/14/2017 10:00 AM, Joshua Case wrote:
what do you think a ‘cypher’ is, shill?
It was one of Tim May's interests. What do you think PUNKS means, troll?
It means you should get lost if you don't like the way this UNMODERATED list reads.
Rr
I can only offer a +1 :)
On 2/15/2017 1:40 AM, Razer wrote:
From the publisher of Right-Wing Watch.
[My note: If you read this carefully you will note that one of the endearing traits of Fascism is "Shapeshifting". It really has no fixed ideology. It morphs to suit whatever society it infests. It relies on popular opinion of whatever is 'wrong' about a society and utilizes reactionary behavior to accomplish it's goals. No political ideology is required. It's parasitic to political ideologies using the (snigger) "Little Man"(Wilhelm Reich) to make the "Big Man" bigger.]
Fascism has a perfectly clear and fixed ideology. Rather, the people that you choose to assault (usually starting with a sucker punch) have no fixed ideology. You claim the right to physically attack anyone, and not be physically attacked in turn.
On 02/14/2017 11:57 AM, James A. Donald wrote:
You claim the right to physically attack anyone, and not be physically attacked in turn.
I claim the right to preemptively 'redact' anyone who believes, because of a trait I or anyone else have zero control over... Ethnicity, religious I was born into, national origin, etc, that I have no right to exist. Absolutely. As far as the second part. I take care of my own biz just fine thanks. I'm always 'ready to ruuuummmmmble'.
On 02/14/2017 11:57 AM, James A. Donald wrote:
You claim the right to physically attack anyone, and not be physically attacked in turn.
On 2/15/2017 6:24 AM, Razer wrote:
I claim the right to preemptively 'redact' anyone who believes, because of a trait I or anyone else have zero control over... Ethnicity, religious I was born into, national origin, etc, that I have no right to exist. Absolutely.
And you get to decide that anyone who wears a red hat or a red tie or who disagrees with you on any question, or fails to treat you with the respect you believe you deserve, despite all objective indications that you deserve no respect whatsoever, is denying your right to exist.
On 2017-02-14 14:02, James A. Donald wrote:
On 02/14/2017 11:57 AM, James A. Donald wrote:
You claim the right to physically attack anyone, and not be physically attacked in turn.
On 2/15/2017 6:24 AM, Razer wrote:
I claim the right to preemptively 'redact' anyone who believes, because of a trait I or anyone else have zero control over... Ethnicity, religious I was born into, national origin, etc, that I have no right to exist. Absolutely.
And you get to decide that anyone who wears a red hat or a red tie or who disagrees with you on any question, or fails to treat you with the respect you believe you deserve, despite all objective indications that you deserve no respect whatsoever, is denying your right to exist.
You have a reading comprehension problem
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 02:20:54PM -0800, Razer wrote:
On 2017-02-14 14:02, James A. Donald wrote:
On 02/14/2017 11:57 AM, James A. Donald wrote:
You claim the right to physically attack anyone, and not be physically attacked in turn.
On 2/15/2017 6:24 AM, Razer wrote:
I claim the right to preemptively 'redact' anyone who believes, because of a trait I or anyone else have zero control over... Ethnicity, religious I was born into, national origin, etc, that I have no right to exist. Absolutely.
And you get to decide that anyone who wears a red hat or a red tie or who disagrees with you on any question, or fails to treat you with the respect you believe you deserve, despite all objective indications that you deserve no respect whatsoever, is denying your right to exist.
You have a reading comprehension problem
You have an aggression / anger problem, and no, James' characterisation is both accurate AND decorous.
On 2017-02-14 14:02, James A. Donald wrote:
And you get to decide that anyone who wears a red hat or a red tie or who disagrees with you on any question, or fails to treat you with the respect you believe you deserve, despite all objective indications that you deserve no respect whatsoever, is denying your right to exist.
On 2/15/2017 8:20 AM, Razer wrote:
You have a reading comprehension problem
Yellow Hat originally wore a red Trump hat. He was wearing a yellow hat at the time he was sucker punched and then beaten up because antifa took his red hat earlier. Apart from being pro trump and pro second amendment, his views seem to be standard progressive views. By all means continue your violent physical attacks on the Second Amendment crowd, the supporters of concealed carry.
On 02/14/2017 07:53 PM, James A. Donald wrote:
On 2017-02-14 14:02, James A. Donald wrote:
And you get to decide that anyone who wears a red hat or a red tie or who disagrees with you on any question, or fails to treat you with the respect you believe you deserve, despite all objective indications that you deserve no respect whatsoever, is denying your right to exist.
On 2/15/2017 8:20 AM, Razer wrote:
You have a reading comprehension problem
Yellow Hat originally wore a red Trump hat. He was wearing a yellow hat at the time he was sucker punched and then beaten up because antifa took his red hat earlier.
Apart from being pro trump and pro second amendment, his views seem to be standard progressive views.
By all means continue your violent physical attacks on the Second Amendment crowd, the supporters of concealed carry.
Eh - i prefer open carry. Kind of hard to conceal a mosin-nagant rifle. ...The rifle the soviets used to wreak the nazis. I like the bayonette too. Use it when it is a waste to use a bullet
James A. Donald wrote:
You claim the right to physically attack anyone, and not be physically attacked in turn.
On 2/15/2017 6:24 AM, Razer wrote:
I claim the right to preemptively 'redact' anyone who believes, because of a trait I or anyone else have zero control over... Ethnicity, religious I was born into, national origin, etc, that I have no right to exist. Absolutely.
In fact even the real original Nazis did not openly deny anyone's right to exist. Their original plan was to deport the Jews to anywhere that would take them, in particular and especially Israel, and they created a large bureaucracy to interface with other countries bureaucracies to grease the tracks and persuade other countries to take them. But other countries aggressively obstructed this program of deportation. When, due to socialism, they found they did not have enough food to go around they furtively and secretively decided to exterminate the Jews - a decision that bears a striking resemblance to the much larger democides committed by communists, such as yourself. Had the Nazis won, then they would be the high status academic and official media sources that Wikipedia deems reliable, and you would read in all the history books and in Wikipedia that no Holocaust took place, and the Jews were in fact all deported except for a few trouble making terrorists who got shot. Also, no mention of any food shortage. National Socialism would supposedly be a complete economic success, much as North American GDP continues to supposedly rise even though the average male salary and median male salary buys substantially fewer cars and substantially fewer loafs of bread than it did in 1972, not to mention enormously less of the years in college required to get a decent job, even though a normal person used to be able to get a doctor to call when his child was sick and today he cannot.
On 02/14/2017 02:13 PM, James A. Donald wrote:
In fact even the real original Nazis did not openly deny anyone's right to exist. Their original plan was to deport the Jews to anywhere that would take them,
Ask the Cherokee if sitting them in the middle of a stinking desert didn't qualify as "deny anyone's right to exist..." after 90% decimation (or so). You REALLY need to look up the definition... The "Webster Definition"... of Genocide. I know you won't. Nazis and Fascists rely on #FakeFacts they stick to until one other person, out of some existential desperation (the 'other' is taking my something-or-other usually works), believes it then there's two spewing verbal pus.
On 02/14/2017 02:13 PM, James A. Donald wrote:
In fact even the real original Nazis did not openly deny anyone's right to exist. Their original plan was to deport the Jews to anywhere that would take them,
On 2/15/2017 10:55 AM, Razer wrote:
Ask the Cherokee if sitting them in the middle of a stinking desert didn't qualify as "deny anyone's right to exist..."
The Cherokee are still around, and if they had refrained from drinking the payments the settlers gave them for their land, and if they had refrained from going to war after drinking up their payments, there would be a lot more of them around.
On 02/14/2017 05:55 PM, James A. Donald practiced a classic Nazi strategy:
...if they had refrained from drinking the payments the settlers gave them for their land, and if they had refrained from going to war after drinking up their payments, there would be a lot more of them around.
Blaming the victims of Genocide for the genocide. Rr
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