Waffling On Full Disclosure: Lawrence Lessig, Steven Levy
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/10/22/0417250/should-journalists-ignore-so... http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/151983995587/on-the-wikileak-ed-emails-between... https://backchannel.com/when-is-it-ok-to-mine-hacked-emails-1f2081122915 Tuesday Lawrence Lessig issued a comment about a leaked email which showed complaints about his smugness from a Clinton campaign staffer: "I'm a big believer in leaks for the public interest... But I can't for the life of me see the public good in a leak like this..." Now mirandakatz shares an article by tech journalist Steven Levy arguing that instead, "The press is mining the dirty work of Russian hackers for gossipy inside-beltway accounts." This is perfectly legal. As long as journalists don't do the stealing themselves, they are solidly allowed to publish what thieves expose, especially if, as in this case, the contents are available to all... [But] is the exploitation of stolen personal emails a moral act? By diving into this corpus to expose anything unseemly or embarrassing, reporters may be, however unwillingly, participating in a scheme by a foreign power to mess with our election... As a 'good' journalist, I know that I'm supposed to cheer on the availability of information... But it's difficult to argue that these discoveries were unearthed by reporters for the sake of public good... He's sympathetic to the idea that minutiae from campaigns lets journalists "examine the failings of 'business as usual'," but "it would be so much nicer if some disgruntled colleague of Podesta's was providing information to reporters, rather than Vladimir Putin using them as stooges to undermine our democracy." He ultimately asks, "is it moral to amplify anything that's already exposed on the internet, even if the exposers are lawbreakers with an agenda?"
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 10/24/2016 12:12 PM, grarpamp wrote:
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/10/22/0417250/should-journalists-ign ore-some-leaked-emails
http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/151983995587/on-the-wikileak-ed-emails-bet ween-tanden-and
https://backchannel.com/when-is-it-ok-to-mine-hacked-emails-1f20811229 15
Tuesday Lawrence Lessig issued a comment about a leaked email which showed complaints about his smugness from a Clinton campaign staffer: "I'm a big believer in leaks for the public interest... But I can't for the life of me see the public good in a leak like this..." Now mirandakatz shares an article by tech journalist Steven Levy arguing that instead, "The press is mining the dirty work of Russian hackers for gossipy inside-beltway accounts." This is perfectly legal. As long as journalists don't do the stealing themselves, they are solidly allowed to publish what thieves expose, especially if, as in this case, the contents are available to all... [But] is the exploitation of stolen personal emails a moral act? By diving into this corpus to expose anything unseemly or embarrassing, reporters may be, however unwillingly, participating in a scheme by a foreign power to mess with our election...
As a 'good' journalist, I know that I'm supposed to cheer on the availability of information... But it's difficult to argue that these discoveries were unearthed by reporters for the sake of public good... He's sympathetic to the idea that minutiae from campaigns lets journalists "examine the failings of 'business as usual'," but "it would be so much nicer if some disgruntled colleague of Podesta's was providing information to reporters, rather than Vladimir Putin using them as stooges to undermine our democracy." He ultimately asks, "is it moral to amplify anything that's already exposed on the internet, even if the exposers are lawbreakers with an agenda?"
1) Shoot the messenger. 2) Question the motives of the reporter. 3) Misrepresent and mock the reports. Do we need a whole 'nother list for media criticism a.k.a. propaganda studies? :o/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJYDjxsAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqNPcH/jIsq7c2twk9kefPnxiGNToN dAcaevbSzGZrt7V++1qP4HyD4Pey+K+r69N8uoetb9jL4YHV1p5tpEZI1DwOLwQt oHbvui0cfKxOH6pD578LXUpoBGaFEYvbakHFkVT8ZzGCbnHB6CuyN2//ef7hrbgz lyYIL+MfILaTPLgPhsSGUbpkTApYv6c7gFKY3CQ3EBNw0d4EZ1T7Gt9uvIYY9vN+ UznY5QrBC1vDFNB2J3/SQPcQlCkIXE51A28S2BRhxDYFmtSjq2uSCThCuHjCVxaH SHeMO2AkUYRMZuH5znhYynw1FZATJxVmesjrYaMP4zhD/tXNK2aAZi3ARQ1kXPE= =oR9y -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Welcome to Brinn's open society, bitches. Warrant Canary creator On Oct 24, 2016 9:53 AM, "Steve Kinney" <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
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On 10/24/2016 12:12 PM, grarpamp wrote:
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/10/22/0417250/should-journalists-ign ore-some-leaked-emails
http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/151983995587/on-the-wikileak-ed-emails-bet ween-tanden-and
https://backchannel.com/when-is-it-ok-to-mine-hacked-emails-1f20811229 15
Tuesday Lawrence Lessig issued a comment about a leaked email which showed complaints about his smugness from a Clinton campaign staffer: "I'm a big believer in leaks for the public interest... But I can't for the life of me see the public good in a leak like this..." Now mirandakatz shares an article by tech journalist Steven Levy arguing that instead, "The press is mining the dirty work of Russian hackers for gossipy inside-beltway accounts." This is perfectly legal. As long as journalists don't do the stealing themselves, they are solidly allowed to publish what thieves expose, especially if, as in this case, the contents are available to all... [But] is the exploitation of stolen personal emails a moral act? By diving into this corpus to expose anything unseemly or embarrassing, reporters may be, however unwillingly, participating in a scheme by a foreign power to mess with our election...
As a 'good' journalist, I know that I'm supposed to cheer on the availability of information... But it's difficult to argue that these discoveries were unearthed by reporters for the sake of public good... He's sympathetic to the idea that minutiae from campaigns lets journalists "examine the failings of 'business as usual'," but "it would be so much nicer if some disgruntled colleague of Podesta's was providing information to reporters, rather than Vladimir Putin using them as stooges to undermine our democracy." He ultimately asks, "is it moral to amplify anything that's already exposed on the internet, even if the exposers are lawbreakers with an agenda?"
1) Shoot the messenger.
2) Question the motives of the reporter.
3) Misrepresent and mock the reports.
Do we need a whole 'nother list for media criticism a.k.a. propaganda studies?
:o/
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From: grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/10/22/0417250/should-journalists-ignore-so... http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/151983995587/on-the-wikileak-ed-emails-between... https://backchannel.com/when-is-it-ok-to-mine-hacked-emails-1f2081122915
Tuesday Lawrence Lessig issued a comment about a leaked email which showed complaints about his smugness from a Clinton campaign staffer: "I'm a big believer in leaks for the public interest... But I can't for the life of me see the public good in a leak like this..."
Proving that Lessig is dumber, and even more solidly entrenched in THE ESTABLISHMENT, than we previously believed. These people are crazy and biased. Jim Bell
On 10/24/2016 10:51 AM, jim bell wrote:
From: grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com>
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/10/22/0417250/should-journalists-ignore-so... http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/151983995587/on-the-wikileak-ed-emails-between... https://backchannel.com/when-is-it-ok-to-mine-hacked-emails-1f2081122915
Tuesday Lawrence Lessig issued a comment about a leaked email which showed complaints about his smugness from a Clinton campaign staffer: "I'm a big believer in leaks for the public interest... But I can't for the life of me see the public good in a leak like this..."
Proving that Lessig is dumber, and even more solidly entrenched in THE ESTABLISHMENT, than we previously believed. These people are crazy and biased. Jim Bell
For one I believe academic Peer-review eats one's mind. Like the earwig in that Night Gallery episode... You survive, but it laid eggs sucka... http://reflectionsonfilmandtelevision.blogspot.com/2008/11/night-gallery-blo...
On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:16 PM, Razer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
For one I believe academic Peer-review eats one's mind. Like the earwig
Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. Thomas Jefferson <http://mobile.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/thomas_jefferson.html> Warrant Canary creator On Oct 24, 2016 10:55 AM, "jim bell" <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
*From:* grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com>
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/10/22/0417250/should- journalists-ignore-some-leaked-emails http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/151983995587/on-the-wikileak- ed-emails-between-tanden-and <http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/151983995587/on-the-wikileak-ed-emails-between-tanden-and?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma> https://backchannel.com/when-is-it-ok-to-mine-hacked-emails-1f2081122915
Tuesday Lawrence Lessig issued a comment about a leaked email which showed complaints about his smugness from a Clinton campaign staffer: "I'm a big believer in leaks for the public interest... But I can't for the life of me see the public good in a leak like this..."
Proving that Lessig is dumber, and even more solidly entrenched in THE ESTABLISHMENT, than we previously believed. These people are crazy and biased. Jim Bell
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:19:58 -0700 Steven Schear <schear.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.
Thomas Jefferson
Sure sure. But there's one thing he was pretty sure about. The brown subhumans had to remain in his plantations, and in the plantations of the rest of the the 'founding' fuckers.
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On Oct 24, 2016 10:55 AM, "jim bell" <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
*From:* grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com>
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/10/22/0417250/should- journalists-ignore-some-leaked-emails http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/151983995587/on-the-wikileak- ed-emails-between-tanden-and <http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/151983995587/on-the-wikileak-ed-emails-between-tanden-and?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma> https://backchannel.com/when-is-it-ok-to-mine-hacked-emails-1f2081122915
Tuesday Lawrence Lessig issued a comment about a leaked email which showed complaints about his smugness from a Clinton campaign staffer: "I'm a big believer in leaks for the public interest... But I can't for the life of me see the public good in a leak like this..."
Proving that Lessig is dumber, and even more solidly entrenched in THE ESTABLISHMENT, than we previously believed. These people are crazy and biased. Jim Bell
I think there is good reason to believe Jefferson would have set all his slaves free (his will only freed some related to Sally Hemings) if he had not been such a spendthrift and died in massive debt. Warrant Canary creator On Oct 27, 2016 3:40 PM, "juan" <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:19:58 -0700 Steven Schear <schear.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.
Thomas Jefferson
Sure sure. But there's one thing he was pretty sure about. The brown subhumans had to remain in his plantations, and in the plantations of the rest of the the 'founding' fuckers.
<http://mobile.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/thomas_jefferson.html>
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On Oct 24, 2016 10:55 AM, "jim bell" <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
*From:* grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com>
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/10/22/0417250/should- journalists-ignore-some-leaked-emails http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/151983995587/on-the-wikileak- ed-emails-between-tanden-and <http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/151983995587/on-the-
wikileak-ed-emails-between-tanden-and?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma>
https://backchannel.com/when-is-it-ok-to-mine-hacked- emails-1f2081122915
Tuesday Lawrence Lessig issued a comment about a leaked email which showed complaints about his smugness from a Clinton campaign staffer: "I'm a big believer in leaks for the public interest... But I can't for the life of me see the public good in a leak like this..."
Proving that Lessig is dumber, and even more solidly entrenched in THE ESTABLISHMENT, than we previously believed. These people are crazy and biased. Jim Bell
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