Operation Barbarossa: The 75th Anniversary of the Nazi Invasion of the Soviet Union
The West has not escaped fascism, and the Russian state is not without its many problems. We are humans, and we be in this world with other humans. Perhaps more people in positions of power will see the benefits of benevolence in their localised dictatorial capacity, see the longer term benefits to all for actual community oriented thinking and action. "Be like ants." Operation Barbarossa: The 75th Anniversary of the Nazi Invasion of the Soviet Union On this 75th anniversary of the German invasion of the Soviet Union the Russians will once again remind the world that the Red Army saved European civilisation as well as Russia from the Nazis Geoffrey Roberts http://russia-insider.com/en/barbarossa/ri15045
Thanks for this piece of cypherpunk news, Zenaan. Quality content as always. On Mon, 2016-06-20 at 11:52 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
The West has not escaped fascism, and the Russian state is not without its many problems.
We are humans, and we be in this world with other humans.
Perhaps more people in positions of power will see the benefits of benevolence in their localised dictatorial capacity, see the longer term benefits to all for actual community oriented thinking and action.
"Be like ants."
Operation Barbarossa: The 75th Anniversary of the Nazi Invasion of the Soviet Union
On this 75th anniversary of the German invasion of the Soviet Union the Russians will once again remind the world that the Red Army saved European civilisation as well as Russia from the Nazis
Geoffrey Roberts
http://russia-insider.com/en/barbarossa/ri15045 -- Sent from Ubuntu
2016-06-20 6:16 GMT+03:00 Ted Smith <tedks@riseup.net>:
Thanks for this piece of cypherpunk news, Zenaan. Quality content as always.
Thanks for this boring response, Ted. You are a very good parrot, repeating himself every 3-6 months. By the way, a parrot, who never posts/writes something serious/"cypherPanki related" by himself (in the last years, at least).
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 11:52:52AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Operation Barbarossa: The 75th Anniversary of the Nazi Invasion of the Soviet Union
On this 75th anniversary of the German invasion of the Soviet Union the Russians will once again remind the world that the Red Army saved European civilisation as well as Russia from the Nazis
And they sure paid a high fucking price for it! Maybe things would've gone better if Stalin hadn't purged all the competent military personnel in the 30's.... but, no denying they turned it around. Hitler and Stalin were both mad men. -- John
On 06/27/2016 06:45 AM, John Newman wrote:
Operation Barbarossa: The 75th Anniversary of the Nazi Invasion of the Soviet Union
On this 75th anniversary of the German invasion of the Soviet Union the Russians will once again remind the world that the Red Army saved European civilisation as well as Russia from the Nazis And they sure paid a high fucking price for it! Maybe things would've gone better if Stalin hadn't purged all the competent military personnel in
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 11:52:52AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: the 30's.... but, no denying they turned it around. Hitler and Stalin were both mad men.
There's historical evidence to dispute the concept that Stalin was "Mad". A biography written about a decade ago included a conversation between Stalin, and his son, who was influence peddling the family name. To the best of my recollection the convo went like this: Stalin to his son: "You are not "Stalin". I am not "Stalin". "Stalin" is that person you hear about on the radio and read about in the newspapers" Josef Stalin was aware that his persona had been hijacked and he was not in charge of all events that were occurring in his name. Compare to Hitler, who was thoroughly delusional. Rr
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 08:10:26AM -0700, Rayzer wrote:
There's historical evidence to dispute the concept that Stalin was "Mad".
A biography written about a decade ago included a conversation between Stalin, and his son, who was influence peddling the family name. To the best of my recollection the convo went like this:
Stalin to his son: "You are not "Stalin". I am not "Stalin". "Stalin" is that person you hear about on the radio and read about in the newspapers"
Josef Stalin was aware that his persona had been hijacked and he was not in charge of all events that were occurring in his name. Compare to Hitler, who was thoroughly delusional.
I'm not familiar with the anecdote you mention, but it sounds like he was acknowledging his own cult of personality.. Anyway, I was being slightly hypberbolic when I said "mad". I read a biography of Stalin like 6 months ago by a guy named Khlevniuk, and the picture of Koba was not one of insanity per se.. but he was filled with paranoia, extremely crafty, and took a "kill first" policy with anyone that could possibly pose a threat. He was actually planning a bunch of Jewish pogroms when he died in 53. Beria was said to have danced in glee around the still-living but paralyzed Stalin after his fatal stroke... of course, Beria was one sick puppy himself. -- John
On 06/27/2016 08:36 AM, John Newman wrote:
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 08:10:26AM -0700, Rayzer wrote:
There's historical evidence to dispute the concept that Stalin was "Mad".
A biography written about a decade ago included a conversation between Stalin, and his son, who was influence peddling the family name. To the best of my recollection the convo went like this:
Stalin to his son: "You are not "Stalin". I am not "Stalin". "Stalin" is that person you hear about on the radio and read about in the newspapers"
Josef Stalin was aware that his persona had been hijacked and he was not in charge of all events that were occurring in his name. Compare to Hitler, who was thoroughly delusional.
I'm not familiar with the anecdote you mention, but it sounds like he was acknowledging his own cult of personality.. Anyway, I was being slightly hypberbolic when I said "mad".
I read a biography of Stalin like 6 months ago by a guy named Khlevniuk, and the picture of Koba was not one of insanity per se.. but he was filled with paranoia, extremely crafty, and took a "kill first" policy with anyone that could possibly pose a threat. He was actually planning a bunch of Jewish pogroms when he died in 53. Beria was said to have danced in glee around the still-living but paralyzed Stalin after his fatal stroke... of course, Beria was one sick puppy himself.
The anecdote was mentioned on Doug Henwood's [lbo-talk] list quite a few years ago when the bio (author unknown to me now... fog of time, was mentioned in the post) was first published. I was paraphrasing, but it's a close paraphrase. Rr
On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 15:29:30 +0300 Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 09:45:42AM -0400, John Newman wrote:
the 30's.... but, no denying they turned it around. Hitler and Stalin were both mad men.
Does it matter if they were mad or evil? Is Obama mad (x)or evil?
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