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coderman

21 Jul 2015 21 Jul '15

10:22 p.m.

On 7/20/15, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

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It has people who say that the NSA does good things (coderman)

They don't?

defensive mission vs. offensive like the duality of existence, good and bad, bad and good; polemic extremes always. gotta learn offensive to know how to defend. then defender uses to advance attacks? we're fighting this front in many contexts. all the easy lines are drawn, and the problems left hard to impossible. --- i don't know if you have good or bad intentions, Juan. but i hope you know what i like about NSA is their defensive support, and i miss the days when they weren't raving drunk with offensive addiction pointed domestically... [ and funny enough, their offensive addiction led to leaks which led to mass adoption of crypto in ways i never imagined could happen. so might even say a BAD NSA is good for privacy. ] --- best regards and intentions, even to Juan ;P

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Juan

22 Jul 22 Jul

12:07 a.m.

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On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 15:22:58 -0700 coderman wrote:

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On 7/20/15, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

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It has people who say that the NSA does good things (coderman)

They don't?

defensive mission vs. offensive like the duality of existence, good and bad, bad and good; polemic extremes always.

Thanks coderman. I was slightly annoyed thinking I might have to search the archives to back my claim but you've fully embarrassed yourself (yet again). Appreciated.

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gotta learn offensive to know how to defend. then defender uses to advance attacks?

we're fighting this front in many contexts. all the easy lines are drawn, and the problems left hard to impossible.

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i don't know if you have good or bad intentions, Juan.

Of course. If I were murdering people left and right, or commiting any of the endless list of crimes your government commits, they you'd be quite sure that I have GOOD intentions. But, since I'm not buying any of your stupid propaganda, you're not sure if I'm an outright terrist...or somebody sitting at a desk near you, right?

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but i hope you know what i like about NSA is their defensive support, and i miss the days when they weren't raving drunk with offensive addiction pointed domestically...

Ah yes. You are right. The real problem with the NSA and the US gov't in general is that 'now' they allegedly started spying on AMERICUNTS! How did jesus allow such monstrosity to happen? I mean, burn brown people abroad? Of course. Fun and profit! But spy on white anglo saxon AMERICANS??? How did fucking g-d let that happen. We all pray for the NSA to go back to its defensive anti-terrist activities.

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[ and funny enough, their offensive addiction led to leaks which led to mass adoption of crypto in ways i never imagined could happen. so might even say a BAD NSA is good for privacy. ]

Sure. Google and the cloud now are password protected. Nice.

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best regards and intentions, even to Juan ;P

coderman

2:01 a.m.

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On 7/21/15, Juan wrote:

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... Thanks coderman. I was slightly annoyed thinking I might have to search the archives to back my claim but you've fully embarrassed yourself (yet again). Appreciated.

you should see me in person! my email game is just warm up... you'll need to search the SELinux lists btw, not this one :)

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Of course. If I were murdering people left and right, or commiting any of the endless list of crimes your government commits, they you'd be quite sure that I have GOOD intentions.

actually i was thinking of code you've written for common good, but really, any evidence would be useful. until then, the jury's out... some of these discourses are thought provoking, others dumb provoking, and yet more are just TL;DR. ;)

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But, since I'm not buying any of your stupid propaganda, you're not sure if I'm an outright terrist...or somebody sitting at a desk near you, right?

someone i admire is a FOIA terrorist. good friends are "privacy extremists", and some shady fucks have sat next to me in the past. i'm not sure what to do with this metric you're using...

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Ah yes. You are right. The real problem with the NSA and the US gov't in general is that 'now' they allegedly started spying on AMERICUNTS!

no, my point about domestic surveillance is that any shred of restraint they may have had, is now evaporated. bulk spying is always bad, but done domestic you've gone rogue! so Juan, how to fix?

Juan

2:25 a.m.

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On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 19:01:29 -0700 coderman wrote:

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On 7/21/15, Juan wrote:

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Of course. If I were murdering people left and right, or commiting any of the endless list of crimes your government commits, they you'd be quite sure that I have GOOD intentions.

actually i was thinking of code you've written for common good,

LMAO. You make up your bullshit as you go eh? What code did you write? Let me know so that I can avoid it.

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Ah yes. You are right. The real problem with the NSA and the US gov't in general is that 'now' they allegedly started spying on AMERICUNTS!

no, my point about domestic surveillance is that any shred of restraint they may have had, is now evaporated. bulk spying is always bad, but done domestic you've gone rogue!

so Juan, how to fix?

Ask your cypherpunk buddies. Or the tor cunts! Or the NSA. I'm told they do good things. And have the best of intentions.

rysiek

7:20 a.m.

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Dnia wtorek, 21 lipca 2015 23:25:53 Juan pisze:

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-- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147

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