Satoshi Hacked/Leaked/Hoaxed And Outed
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 23:31:13 -0500 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.wired.com/2015/12/bitcoins-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-t... http://gizmodo.com/this-australian-says-he-and-his-dead-friend-invented-bi-1...
http://panopticrypt.com/about.html "Panopticrypt was founded by Dr Craig Wright, the only person in the world* to hold all three GIAC Security Expert (GSE) certifications, making him certifiably the world’s foremost IT security expert." That ^^^^^^^ is some world class bullshit. Even better "Since 2012 Dr Wright has served as the Executive Vice President of Strategy Development for the Centre for Strategic Cyberspace + Security Science (UK), with a focus on coordinating government bodies in securing cyber systems. Dr Wright has been engaged as a digital forensic expert and trainer with the Australian Federal Police. " The same guy who wants to overthrow the financial establishment is a contractor/lapdog of the most despicable branch of the fascist state? Makes a lot of sense. Not. Also wired's article seem to amount to "I read a bunch of (now deleted) posts on some random blog on the interwebs that I think prove (maybe) that xxxx is yyyy. Or maybe not"
juan wrote:
The same guy who wants to overthrow the financial establishment
What makes you think he wants to do that? Bitcoin would be a great way for old-line criminal networks like the Maf to use the global banking system, another Maf, unencumbered. I've NEVER trusted the ethics of people involved in cyber-endeavors. They're 99% (# pulled from my ass) feudal (while referring to themselves falsely as anarchists), and middle class. -- RR "You might want to ask an expert about that - I just fiddled around with mine until it worked..."
On Wed, 9 Dec 2015 08:21:15 -0800 Rayzer <Rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
juan wrote:
The same guy who wants to overthrow the financial establishment
What makes you think he wants to do that?
I should have written "supposedly wants", and yes, 'overthrow' is too strong I guess. But even assuming satoshi isn't too anti-establishment, direct cooperation with the police seems out of character?
Bitcoin would be a great way for old-line criminal networks like the Maf to use the global banking system, another Maf, unencumbered.
I'm not sure how that would work. At the moment the baking mafia does launder money for various criminals, but they do it secretly. I'm not sure how the fact that all bitcoin transactions are public and potentially traceable would help. On the other hand, if the banking mafia somehow 'adopted' bitcoin, then financial control and oppression would be greatly increased, since, again, all transactions are public.
I've NEVER trusted the ethics of people involved in cyber-endeavors. They're 99% (# pulled from my ass) feudal (while referring to themselves falsely as anarchists), and middle class.
Well, I partially share the feeling although I don't think there's something intrinsically wrong with private property and markets. What about Kropotkin and Bakunin - were they 'middle class'? =P
On 12/9/15, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
What about Kropotkin and Bakunin - were they 'middle class'? =P
Great references thanks - I'll assume for the moment that you are referring to Bakunin the anarchist and not Bakunin the Russian football player :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Kropotkin Extremely apropos for me. Thank you. I am slowly learning little bits of history. It's ironic given the potential for influence he could have had at that time, that he refused the Education Ministry on his welcome back from exile, to Russia in 1917 after the February Revolution. Who knows - perhaps he was told he could not rewrite the school curriculum to inculcate a base of anarchist ideals? But we don't know his mind and considerations at that time. Some succinct snippets (to me): "His enthusiasm for the changes happening in the Russian Empire turned to disappointment when the Bolsheviks seized power in the October Revolution. "This buries the revolution," he said.[22] He thought that the Bolsheviks had shown how the revolution was not to be made; by authoritarian rather than libertarian methods.[22] He had spoken out against authoritarian socialism in his writings (for example The Conquest of Bread), making the prediction that any state founded on these principles would most likely see its own breakup and the restoration of capitalism.[citation needed]" "Kropotkin did not deny the presence of competitive urges in humans, but did not see them as the driving force of history (as did capitalists and social Darwinists).[39]:262 He did believe that at times seeking out conflict proved socially beneficial, but only during attempts to destroy unjust, authoritarian institutions such as the State or the Church, which he saw as stifling human creativity and freedom and impeding humans' instinctual drive towards sociality and cooperation.[40]" "With Mutual Aid especially, and later with Fields, Factories, and Workshops, Kropotkin was able to move away from the absurdist limitations of individual anarchism and no-laws anarchism that had flourished during this period and provide instead a vision of communal anarchism" Now to read Wikipedia's Bakunin summary... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Bakunin Thanks again, Zenaan
On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
... Now to read Wikipedia's Bakunin summary... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Bakunin
"Bakunin's increasing radicalism – including staunch opposition to imperialism in east and central Europe by Russia and other powers – changed his life, putting an end to hopes of a professorial career." tragedy or salvation? :) [ privilege may be enjoyed or burned... ] best regards, P.S. others for your edification: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltairine_de_Cleyre - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie-Louise_Berneri - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Gurley_Flynn - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Goldman - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Parsons - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Harris_Jones
Dnia środa, 9 grudnia 2015 23:17:54 coderman pisze:
[ privilege may be enjoyed or burned... ]
Can't one enjoy burning it, though? -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On 12/10/15, coderman <coderman@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
... Now to read Wikipedia's Bakunin summary... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Bakunin
"Bakunin's increasing radicalism – including staunch opposition to imperialism in east and central Europe by Russia and other powers – changed his life, putting an end to hopes of a professorial career."
tragedy or salvation? :)
:)
P.S. others for your edification: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltairine_de_Cleyre - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie-Louise_Berneri - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Gurley_Flynn - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Goldman - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Parsons - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Harris_Jones
Part way through the Wikipedia Bakunin article now ... thanks for the links. We get plenty of schooling in the West, but not so much education; for me our online library "Wikipedia" although partly flawed, is a huge advantage to those who set upon themselves some concept of education. Impulse learning, yet also sustained learning, or rather learning to the depth of one's choice/ impulse. Thanks again, Z
On Wed, Dec 09, 2015 at 04:36:22AM -0300, juan wrote:
The same guy who wants to overthrow the financial establishment is a contractor/lapdog of the most despicable branch of the fascist state? Makes a lot of sense. Not.
You mean you don't trust the usa military scumbags to create allegedly anonymous Tor? ;))) DISCLAIMER: I don't know if the bitcoin creator is deanonymized by this, but suspect "no".
According to Attrition's Errata, he is also a known infosec plagiarist: http://attrition.org/errata/plagiarism/ On Dec 9, 2015 5:36 AM, "grarpamp" <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.wired.com/2015/12/bitcoins-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-t...
http://gizmodo.com/this-australian-says-he-and-his-dead-friend-invented-bi-1...
On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:37 PM, Julio Cesar Fort <juliocesarfort@gmail.com> wrote:
According to Attrition's Errata, he is also a known infosec plagiarist: http://attrition.org/errata/plagiarism/
10% plagiarized? ... that's not nothing, but also the least qualified charltan on attrition's list :)
"Satoshi" just got raided by the Australian Federal Police, allegedly for reasons unrelated to Bitcoin. http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/australian-police-raid-sydney-home-of-allege... -- Mike Duvos mpd@wolf359.net
grarpamp wrote:
http://www.wired.com/2015/12/bitcoins-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-t... http://gizmodo.com/this-australian-says-he-and-his-dead-friend-invented-bi-1...
From what I was reading elsewhere yesterday, it sounds like his Ex OL got into his email account and passed the dox around. -- RR "You might want to ask an expert about that - I just fiddled around with mine until it worked..."
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