Riseup Warrant Canary Falls?
On Sun, Apr 09, 2017 at 01:42:00AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
Status update...
https://riseup.net/en/about-us/press/canary-statement https://0xacab.org/riseuplabs/trees
Riseup was from its very inception a politically correct do-little honey pot. No victims here except those who fail to do their own research or witness the self evident.
On 04/08/2017 11:42 PM, grarpamp wrote:
Status update...
https://riseup.net/en/about-us/press/canary-statement https://0xacab.org/riseuplabs/trees
This is old news, bro.
people with smarts dont trust anyone and people who trust one fraction of someone trying to sell them something bulletproof are sad blobs of meat - its like famous people fucking... strangely autonomy is in the far reaches of the soul/body some cant see it even On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/08/2017 11:42 PM, grarpamp wrote:
Status update...
https://riseup.net/en/about-us/press/canary-statement https://0xacab.org/riseuplabs/trees
This is old news, bro.
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people with smarts dont trust anyone and people who trust one fraction of someone trying to sell them something bulletproof are sad blobs of meat - its like famous people fucking... strangely autonomy is in the far reaches of the soul/body some cant see it even On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/08/2017 11:42 PM, grarpamp wrote:
Status update...
https://riseup.net/en/about-us/press/canary-statement https://0xacab.org/riseuplabs/trees
This is old news, bro.
-- Cari Machet NYC 646-436-7795 carimachet@gmail.com AIM carismachet Syria +963-099 277 3243 Amman +962 077 636 9407 Berlin +49 152 11779219 Reykjavik +354 894 8650 Twitter: @carimachet <https://twitter.com/carimachet> 7035 690E 5E47 41D4 B0E5 B3D1 AF90 49D6 BE09 2187 Ruh-roh, this is now necessary: This email is intended only for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this information, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this email without permission is strictly prohibited.
On 04/09/2017 07:04 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
people with smarts dont trust anyone
and people who trust one fraction of someone trying to sell them something bulletproof are sad blobs of meat - its like famous people fucking...
strangely autonomy is in the far reaches of the soul/body some cant see it even
Trust is a funny thing. So SIGAINT is gone, like Tormail before them. But Riseup is still there. And seriously, all I care is that Riseup handles the bloody messages. During all of the canary bullshit with Riseup, I doubt that I ever lost a message. And I don't give a rat's ass who reads them. I do my own end-to-end encryption. And metadata is public with any email outside closed systems. I'd rather have that, than depend on some arcane proprietary browser crap. So just sod off with your snide crap, bro.
On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/08/2017 11:42 PM, grarpamp wrote:
Status update...
https://riseup.net/en/about-us/press/canary-statement https://0xacab.org/riseuplabs/trees
This is old news, bro.
On 04/09/2017 07:47 AM, Mirimir wrote:
On 04/09/2017 07:04 AM, Cari Machet wrote: So SIGAINT is gone, like Tormail before them. But Riseup is still there.
Sigaint was hosted by Cloudflare. You'd have to be a fucking idiot. I suspect one of Cloudflare's main sources of revenue today is helping five-eyes stalk tor. Which would explain why Hushmail isn't 'protected' by cloudflare but the captcha panel you get when attempting to log in through tor broswer is... Rr
And seriously, all I care is that Riseup handles the bloody messages. During all of the canary bullshit with Riseup, I doubt that I ever lost a message. And I don't give a rat's ass who reads them. I do my own end-to-end encryption. And metadata is public with any email outside closed systems. I'd rather have that, than depend on some arcane proprietary browser crap.
So just sod off with your snide crap, bro.
On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/08/2017 11:42 PM, grarpamp wrote:
Status update...
https://riseup.net/en/about-us/press/canary-statement https://0xacab.org/riseuplabs/trees This is old news, bro.
On 04/09/2017 08:53 AM, Razer wrote:
On 04/09/2017 07:47 AM, Mirimir wrote:
On 04/09/2017 07:04 AM, Cari Machet wrote: So SIGAINT is gone, like Tormail before them. But Riseup is still there.
Sigaint was hosted by Cloudflare. You'd have to be a fucking idiot. I suspect one of Cloudflare's main sources of revenue today is helping five-eyes stalk tor. Which would explain why Hushmail isn't 'protected' by cloudflare but the captcha panel you get when attempting to log in through tor broswer is...
Rr
Huh? You say "hosted"? Maybe their clearnet "sod off" page used Cloudflare. So do lots of DDoS services. To resist DDoS. But I seriously doubt that Cloudflare had anything to do with their onion services. You got any evidence for that?
And seriously, all I care is that Riseup handles the bloody messages. During all of the canary bullshit with Riseup, I doubt that I ever lost a message. And I don't give a rat's ass who reads them. I do my own end-to-end encryption. And metadata is public with any email outside closed systems. I'd rather have that, than depend on some arcane proprietary browser crap.
So just sod off with your snide crap, bro.
On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/08/2017 11:42 PM, grarpamp wrote:
Status update...
https://riseup.net/en/about-us/press/canary-statement https://0xacab.org/riseuplabs/trees This is old news, bro.
On 04/09/2017 08:02 AM, Mirimir wrote:
On 04/09/2017 08:53 AM, Razer wrote:
On 04/09/2017 07:47 AM, Mirimir wrote:
On 04/09/2017 07:04 AM, Cari Machet wrote: So SIGAINT is gone, like Tormail before them. But Riseup is still there.
Sigaint was hosted by Cloudflare. You'd have to be a fucking idiot. I suspect one of Cloudflare's main sources of revenue today is helping five-eyes stalk tor. Which would explain why Hushmail isn't 'protected' by cloudflare but the captcha panel you get when attempting to log in through tor broswer is...
Rr
Huh? You say "hosted"? Maybe their clearnet "sod off" page used Cloudflare. So do lots of DDoS services. To resist DDoS.
But I seriously doubt that Cloudflare had anything to do with their onion services. You got any evidence for that?
Hushmail captcha panel if you attempt to login via torbrowser: http://68.media.tumblr.com/acc793091fadb7eabc16dbf9705b2be3/tumblr_njs0wgovE... Sigaint's whois screenshot: http://68.media.tumblr.com/6fd4c3502cec48f33db9c605fd582de7/tumblr_inline_od... I call it hosting. You can call it whatever you want, but if Cloudflare has an identical near-realtime copy of a site including logs necessary to duplicate the site's functioning, comments and everything else, it IS (sic) virtually hosting a site, on standby. Anyone who thinks a company whose owner got his big biz boost by working with the feds running "Operation Honeypot", and is apparently allowed to 'protect' ISIS chatrooms without the US government 'disappearing' cloudflare from the intertubz <http://docs.house.gov/meetings/FA/FA18/20150127/102855/HHRG-114-FA18-Transcript-20150127.pdf>, isn't thinking right. A deer in the headlights without even a chance to deliver a dumb bovine stare. "Red meat". Rr
And seriously, all I care is that Riseup handles the bloody messages. During all of the canary bullshit with Riseup, I doubt that I ever lost a message. And I don't give a rat's ass who reads them. I do my own end-to-end encryption. And metadata is public with any email outside closed systems. I'd rather have that, than depend on some arcane proprietary browser crap.
So just sod off with your snide crap, bro.
On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/08/2017 11:42 PM, grarpamp wrote:
Status update...
https://riseup.net/en/about-us/press/canary-statement https://0xacab.org/riseuplabs/trees This is old news, bro.
On 04/09/2017 09:29 AM, Razer wrote:
On 04/09/2017 08:02 AM, Mirimir wrote:
On 04/09/2017 08:53 AM, Razer wrote:
On 04/09/2017 07:47 AM, Mirimir wrote:
On 04/09/2017 07:04 AM, Cari Machet wrote: So SIGAINT is gone, like Tormail before them. But Riseup is still there.
Sigaint was hosted by Cloudflare. You'd have to be a fucking idiot. I suspect one of Cloudflare's main sources of revenue today is helping five-eyes stalk tor. Which would explain why Hushmail isn't 'protected' by cloudflare but the captcha panel you get when attempting to log in through tor broswer is...
Rr
Huh? You say "hosted"? Maybe their clearnet "sod off" page used Cloudflare. So do lots of DDoS services. To resist DDoS.
But I seriously doubt that Cloudflare had anything to do with their onion services. You got any evidence for that?
Hushmail captcha panel if you attempt to login via torbrowser: http://68.media.tumblr.com/acc793091fadb7eabc16dbf9705b2be3/tumblr_njs0wgovE...
Who gives a rat's ass about Hushmail?
Sigaint's whois screenshot: http://68.media.tumblr.com/6fd4c3502cec48f33db9c605fd582de7/tumblr_inline_od...
I call it hosting. You can call it whatever you want, but if Cloudflare has an identical near-realtime copy of a site including logs necessary to duplicate the site's functioning, comments and everything else, it IS (sic) virtually hosting a site, on standby.
That's a big fucking "if". I seriously doubt that there was any relationship between the sigaint.org website and the email service. The website was literally one page. Nothing to do with functioning. Why spew bullshit, bro? Present evidence, or it didn't happen.
Anyone who thinks a company whose owner got his big biz boost by working with the feds running "Operation Honeypot", and is apparently allowed to 'protect' ISIS chatrooms without the US government 'disappearing' cloudflare from the intertubz <http://docs.house.gov/meetings/FA/FA18/20150127/102855/HHRG-114-FA18-Transcript-20150127.pdf>, isn't thinking right. A deer in the headlights without even a chance to deliver a dumb bovine stare. "Red meat".
Nothing about SIGAINT there, bro. Just fucking Cloudflare. WTF?
Rr
And seriously, all I care is that Riseup handles the bloody messages. During all of the canary bullshit with Riseup, I doubt that I ever lost a message. And I don't give a rat's ass who reads them. I do my own end-to-end encryption. And metadata is public with any email outside closed systems. I'd rather have that, than depend on some arcane proprietary browser crap.
So just sod off with your snide crap, bro.
On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/08/2017 11:42 PM, grarpamp wrote: > Status update... > > https://riseup.net/en/about-us/press/canary-statement > https://0xacab.org/riseuplabs/trees This is old news, bro.
On 04/09/2017 08:53 AM, Mirimir wrote:
I call it hosting. You can call it whatever you want, but if Cloudflare has an identical near-realtime copy of a site including logs necessary to duplicate the site's functioning, comments and everything else, it IS (sic) virtually hosting a site, on standby.
That's a big fucking "if". I seriously doubt that there was any relationship between the sigaint.org website and the email service. The website was literally one page. Nothing to do with functioning. Why spew bullshit, bro? Present evidence, or it didn't happen.
I did. and there's no 'if' about it. That's how Cloudflare 'protects' sites from dDos attacks afaik, by keeping a dynamic real-time copy of the site and there's some sort of 'sensoring' that detects that the site protected is under attack and Cloudflare's servers, hosting a dupe of the site under attack, take over page delivery and interactions. That's my understanding of how it works. I you know better I'd love to hear about it.
Nothing about SIGAINT there, bro. Just fucking Cloudflare. WTF?
The POINT IS Cloudflare... They're OBVIOUSLY the goto source for the Fed's Honeypot needs. Which is why those ISIS chatrooms don't vanish. Because if the feds said to cloudflare 'vanish them' and cloudflare didn't, cloudflare would 'vanish' So what makes you think Sigaint or any of the others 'protected' by them aren't in jeopardy the second the feds tap them for a 'tap' or logged data from their protection operation? You think they can't be on sigaint's "wire" just because 'special' or what? Rr
On 04/09/2017 09:29 AM, Razer wrote:
On 04/09/2017 08:02 AM, Mirimir wrote:
On 04/09/2017 08:53 AM, Razer wrote:
On 04/09/2017 07:04 AM, Cari Machet wrote: So SIGAINT is gone, like Tormail before them. But Riseup is still there. Sigaint was hosted by Cloudflare. You'd have to be a fucking idiot. I suspect one of Cloudflare's main sources of revenue today is helping five-eyes stalk tor. Which would explain why Hushmail isn't 'protected' by cloudflare but the captcha panel you get when attempting to log in
On 04/09/2017 07:47 AM, Mirimir wrote: through tor broswer is...
Rr Huh? You say "hosted"? Maybe their clearnet "sod off" page used Cloudflare. So do lots of DDoS services. To resist DDoS.
But I seriously doubt that Cloudflare had anything to do with their onion services. You got any evidence for that? Hushmail captcha panel if you attempt to login via torbrowser: http://68.media.tumblr.com/acc793091fadb7eabc16dbf9705b2be3/tumblr_njs0wgovE...
Who gives a rat's ass about Hushmail?
Sigaint's whois screenshot: http://68.media.tumblr.com/6fd4c3502cec48f33db9c605fd582de7/tumblr_inline_od...
I call it hosting. You can call it whatever you want, but if Cloudflare has an identical near-realtime copy of a site including logs necessary to duplicate the site's functioning, comments and everything else, it IS (sic) virtually hosting a site, on standby. That's a big fucking "if". I seriously doubt that there was any relationship between the sigaint.org website and the email service. The website was literally one page. Nothing to do with functioning. Why spew bullshit, bro? Present evidence, or it didn't happen.
Anyone who thinks a company whose owner got his big biz boost by working with the feds running "Operation Honeypot", and is apparently allowed to 'protect' ISIS chatrooms without the US government 'disappearing' cloudflare from the intertubz <http://docs.house.gov/meetings/FA/FA18/20150127/102855/HHRG-114-FA18-Transcript-20150127.pdf>, isn't thinking right. A deer in the headlights without even a chance to deliver a dumb bovine stare. "Red meat". Nothing about SIGAINT there, bro. Just fucking Cloudflare. WTF?
Rr
And seriously, all I care is that Riseup handles the bloody messages. During all of the canary bullshit with Riseup, I doubt that I ever lost a message. And I don't give a rat's ass who reads them. I do my own end-to-end encryption. And metadata is public with any email outside closed systems. I'd rather have that, than depend on some arcane proprietary browser crap.
So just sod off with your snide crap, bro.
On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
> On 04/08/2017 11:42 PM, grarpamp wrote: >> Status update... >> >> https://riseup.net/en/about-us/press/canary-statement >> https://0xacab.org/riseuplabs/trees > This is old news, bro. >
On 04/09/2017 01:06 PM, Razer wrote:
On 04/09/2017 08:53 AM, Mirimir wrote:
I call it hosting. You can call it whatever you want, but if Cloudflare has an identical near-realtime copy of a site including logs necessary to duplicate the site's functioning, comments and everything else, it IS (sic) virtually hosting a site, on standby.
That's a big fucking "if". I seriously doubt that there was any relationship between the sigaint.org website and the email service. The website was literally one page. Nothing to do with functioning. Why spew bullshit, bro? Present evidence, or it didn't happen.
I did. and there's no 'if' about it. That's how Cloudflare 'protects' sites from dDos attacks afaik, by keeping a dynamic real-time copy of the site and there's some sort of 'sensoring' that detects that the site protected is under attack and Cloudflare's servers, hosting a dupe of the site under attack, take over page delivery and interactions.
That's my understanding of how it works. I you know better I'd love to hear about it.
You keep missing the key point. There was never anything at sigaint.org except for that "fuck off" page. That's the only thing that Cloudflare had anything to do with. One could access webmail or mail server only at .onion addresses. Email could be sent to foo@sigaint.org but that used different servers.
Nothing about SIGAINT there, bro. Just fucking Cloudflare. WTF?
The POINT IS Cloudflare... They're OBVIOUSLY the goto source for the Fed's Honeypot needs. Which is why those ISIS chatrooms don't vanish. Because if the feds said to cloudflare 'vanish them' and cloudflare didn't, cloudflare would 'vanish'
So what makes you think Sigaint or any of the others 'protected' by them aren't in jeopardy the second the feds tap them for a 'tap' or logged data from their protection operation? You think they can't be on sigaint's "wire" just because 'special' or what?
I have no interest in defending Cloudflare. They're assholes.
Rr
On 04/09/2017 09:29 AM, Razer wrote:
On 04/09/2017 08:02 AM, Mirimir wrote:
On 04/09/2017 08:53 AM, Razer wrote:
On 04/09/2017 07:04 AM, Cari Machet wrote: So SIGAINT is gone, like Tormail before them. But Riseup is still there. Sigaint was hosted by Cloudflare. You'd have to be a fucking idiot. I suspect one of Cloudflare's main sources of revenue today is helping five-eyes stalk tor. Which would explain why Hushmail isn't 'protected' by cloudflare but the captcha panel you get when attempting to log in
On 04/09/2017 07:47 AM, Mirimir wrote: through tor broswer is...
Rr Huh? You say "hosted"? Maybe their clearnet "sod off" page used Cloudflare. So do lots of DDoS services. To resist DDoS.
But I seriously doubt that Cloudflare had anything to do with their onion services. You got any evidence for that? Hushmail captcha panel if you attempt to login via torbrowser: http://68.media.tumblr.com/acc793091fadb7eabc16dbf9705b2be3/tumblr_njs0wgovE...
Who gives a rat's ass about Hushmail?
Sigaint's whois screenshot: http://68.media.tumblr.com/6fd4c3502cec48f33db9c605fd582de7/tumblr_inline_od...
I call it hosting. You can call it whatever you want, but if Cloudflare has an identical near-realtime copy of a site including logs necessary to duplicate the site's functioning, comments and everything else, it IS (sic) virtually hosting a site, on standby. That's a big fucking "if". I seriously doubt that there was any relationship between the sigaint.org website and the email service. The website was literally one page. Nothing to do with functioning. Why spew bullshit, bro? Present evidence, or it didn't happen.
Anyone who thinks a company whose owner got his big biz boost by working with the feds running "Operation Honeypot", and is apparently allowed to 'protect' ISIS chatrooms without the US government 'disappearing' cloudflare from the intertubz <http://docs.house.gov/meetings/FA/FA18/20150127/102855/HHRG-114-FA18-Transcript-20150127.pdf>, isn't thinking right. A deer in the headlights without even a chance to deliver a dumb bovine stare. "Red meat". Nothing about SIGAINT there, bro. Just fucking Cloudflare. WTF?
Rr
And seriously, all I care is that Riseup handles the bloody messages. During all of the canary bullshit with Riseup, I doubt that I ever lost a message. And I don't give a rat's ass who reads them. I do my own end-to-end encryption. And metadata is public with any email outside closed systems. I'd rather have that, than depend on some arcane proprietary browser crap.
So just sod off with your snide crap, bro.
> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote: > >> On 04/08/2017 11:42 PM, grarpamp wrote: >>> Status update... >>> >>> https://riseup.net/en/about-us/press/canary-statement >>> https://0xacab.org/riseuplabs/trees >> This is old news, bro. >>
On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 08:47:56 -0600 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/09/2017 07:04 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
people with smarts dont trust anyone
and people who trust one fraction of someone trying to sell them something bulletproof are sad blobs of meat - its like famous people fucking...
strangely autonomy is in the far reaches of the soul/body some cant see it even
So just sod off with your snide crap, bro.
mirimir is defending riseup, more proof that riseup is not to be 'trusted' at all.
snod off means fuck off? i was referencing signal - really people signing up now for that shit - nothing is foolproof btw so irl not everybody only cares about what you care about and can talk about other things with you so... On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 10:40 PM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 08:47:56 -0600 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/09/2017 07:04 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
people with smarts dont trust anyone
and people who trust one fraction of someone trying to sell them something bulletproof are sad blobs of meat - its like famous people fucking...
strangely autonomy is in the far reaches of the soul/body some cant see it even
So just sod off with your snide crap, bro.
mirimir is defending riseup, more proof that riseup is not to be 'trusted' at all.
-- Cari Machet NYC 646-436-7795 carimachet@gmail.com AIM carismachet Syria +963-099 277 3243 Amman +962 077 636 9407 Berlin +49 152 11779219 Reykjavik +354 894 8650 Twitter: @carimachet <https://twitter.com/carimachet> 7035 690E 5E47 41D4 B0E5 B3D1 AF90 49D6 BE09 2187 Ruh-roh, this is now necessary: This email is intended only for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this information, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this email without permission is strictly prohibited.
On 04/09/2017 12:40 PM, juan wrote:
On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 08:47:56 -0600 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/09/2017 07:04 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
people with smarts dont trust anyone
and people who trust one fraction of someone trying to sell them something bulletproof are sad blobs of meat - its like famous people fucking...
strangely autonomy is in the far reaches of the soul/body some cant see it even So just sod off with your snide crap, bro.
mirimir is defending riseup, more proof that riseup is not to be 'trusted' at all.
I defended HideMyAss's decision and I defend Riseup's. We all take our own risks and shouldn't expect a commercial, or even a non-commercial org to destroy itself over one user. That's just fucking stupid and self-defeating. OTOH if Riseup was found to have *Voluntarily* cooperated with the feds... Delivery on demand with a bow on it like the honeypot op Cloudflare apparently does, I'd be outta there.(I'd venture Facebook ties a ribbon too because they've sold metdataz to academia for years now. The US Army War College, Naval Postgraduate School, West Point... are academia'. ) Rr
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