it's notable that public machine learning projects do not have information on things like this publicly displayed, for people who use their libraries for various purposes. they probably have not thought of doing it, or do not have reliable references for the information.

On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 05:47:36 -0500 Karl wrote:

re: machine learning

you should be 'debunking' that bullshit instead of using their marketing jargon. There's no 'artificial intelligence' and there's no machine learning. Computers don't 'learn'. you could talk about what your government does with those programming techniques, but in a way that isn't advertising.

On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 13:51:46 -0500 Karl wrote:

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On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 05:47:36 -0500 Karl wrote:

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re: machine learning

you should be 'debunking' that bullshit instead of using their marketing jargon. There's no 'artificial intelligence' and there's no machine learning. Computers don't 'learn'.

you could talk about what your government does with those programming techniques, but in a way that isn't advertising.

we have, today, the technology to replace everyone's jobs with software automation,

no 'we' don't. And govcorp doesn't have it either. What you wrote is just MORE advertising.

not only those that were conducive to robots and databases, as it was a bit ago. i am not saying that doing that would be a good thing.

i don't really know what is being done with that technology. but it is pretty clear that it exists.

No it is not clear that it exists, at all. That's just technofascist propaganda. And again, you're missing what's important. This garbage is just automated surveillance. The 'jobs' it replaces are the 'jobs' of govcorp's spies.

it will force the point of what to do about things like money, death, inequality, corruption, war, free speech.

more unhelpful propaganda. Unless you want to spread confusion.

https://news.google.com/search?q=machine+learning

oh come on. You go to joogle-NSA to read propaganda about joogle-NSA?

i haven't read all your other messages yet. we should probably converse less so as to do other things with our lives =S

well you posted something, I'm writing a couple of replies.

On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 14:32:48 -0500 Karl wrote:

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you could talk about what your government does with those programming techniques, but in a way that isn't advertising.

we have, today, the technology to replace everyone's jobs with software automation,

no 'we' don't. And govcorp doesn't have it either. What you wrote is just MORE advertising.

Mm, do you want to believe what is real, or do you want to believe what you prefer to believe? What would convince you that we do, actually, have this, today?

What would convince me is evidence. The exact opposite of what you provided (which was propaganda).

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i don't really know what is being done with that technology. but it is pretty clear that it exists.

No it is not clear that it exists, at all. That's just technofascist propaganda.

This technofascist propaganda is actually a leak (obviously). Could you share it with anybody concerned about technofascist domination? The corps are about to take over the world again.

huh? The US nazi govt and its 'private' accomplices (whose cocks jim bell constantly sucks) have taken over the world a while back. I guess that fact wasn't 'leaked' to you? Haven't you, for instance, been reading jim bells posts about the latest growth of the arpanet cancer (satellite arpanet) and how it 'should' be used to attack the 'enemies' of the US military like north korea, iran, etc

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And again, you're missing what's important. This garbage is just automated surveillance. The 'jobs' it replaces are the 'jobs' of govcorp's spies.

See? I told you what's really important, and you ignored it.

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it will force the point of what to do about things like money, death, inequality, corruption, war, free speech.

more unhelpful propaganda. Unless you want to spread confusion.

So you're able to keep this under control, then?

No I'm not able to keep your US govcorp under control. OH WAIT. That's what really matters. What matters is the non human garbage like elon musk, not their stupid machines.

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https://news.google.com/search?q=machine+learning

oh come on. You go to joogle-NSA to read propaganda about joogle-NSA?

Refer to my first question.

You can't dig yourself any deeper can you? I'm telling you you're spouting propaganda and your reply is to link more propangada from fucking JOOGLE? Please.

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i haven't read all your other messages yet. we should probably converse less so as to do other things with our lives =S

well you posted something, I'm writing a couple of replies.

yeah ... the technofascist system has us entranced in the mystery of its e-cocaine.

It doesn't have ME entranced at all. It is you the one who believes their idiotic marketing. so PAY ATTENTION : what matters is what the OLIGARCHY is doing, not their literally STUPID machines that nerds like to believe are 'intelligent' machines. For fuck's sake.

Developers are freely developing machine learning models for a very wide variety of tasks and sharing them amongst each other publicly: https://tfhub.dev/s?deployment-format=lite

I just found this just now to answer the question, and possibly misrepresented it. I don't immediately see how to upload your own models as a normal user. People do share models elsewhere.

On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 16:01:54 -0500 Karl wrote:

Here is a tutorial on writing 5 lines of python to automatically differentiate between cats and dogs: https://docs.fast.ai/tutorial.vision.html

you either don't know what you're talking about, or are being obtuse on purpose. I'm starting to think it's the later.

The only reason your phone waits for you to tell it to do something

My phone is a landline phone from the 90s.

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The corps are about to take over the world again.

huh? The US nazi govt and its 'private' accomplices (whose cocks jim bell constantly sucks) have taken over the world a while back. I guess that fact

These things are similar enough to ignore the differences, for a lone software dev like me. I said "again".

You keep ignoring what matters and keep babbling nonsense.

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So you're able to keep this under control, then?

No I'm not able to keep your US govcorp under control. OH WAIT. That's what really matters. What matters is the non human garbage like elon musk, not their stupid machines.

Again, here is where I mentioned what really matters. You ignored it.

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well you posted something, I'm writing a couple of replies.

yeah ... the technofascist system has us entranced in the mystery of its e-cocaine.

It doesn't have ME entranced at all. It is you the one who believes their

You are replying.

Yes, I'm replying to the garbage you're posting because I like to counter propaganda like the one you're vomiting. In case you care, your score as malicious propaganda agent keeps going up.

I am looking at you through the bright lights you are staring at, and I see you staring back at me, seeming to be far more focused on me, than the things around you.

LMAO. I know what's going on better than you do, including what you're doing right now. That is, if I candidly assume you're dumb, instead of playing dumb. But I won't assume that anymore so this is your 'fair warning'. Keep vomiting propaganda and you'll be treated the way propaganda agents deserve to be treated.

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idiotic marketing. so PAY ATTENTION : what matters is what the OLIGARCHY is doing, not their literally STUPID machines that nerds like to believe are

So how do we influence the oligarchy while they surveil us?

By beating them to death. That's the only influence that such kind of animal can 'understand'.

On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 16:58:47 -0500 Karl wrote:

Hi, Punk.

I think we are speaking different languages. I am speaking dictionary English.

And I speak 'english as a second language'. But regardless of my limited language skills, or other sources of noise, the disagreements have nothing to do with language. I think the communication medium is working as intented. The disagreements are about content (as it should be)

I have been brainwashed in certain ways, maybe you read my brainwashed habits as some kind of secret communication, I do not know.

You are indeed presenting a picture which has a heavy dose of propaganda in it (and that has nothing to with my or your english).

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Here is a tutorial on writing 5 lines of python to automatically differentiate between cats and dogs: https://docs.fast.ai/tutorial.vision.html

you either don't know what you're talking about, or are being obtuse on purpose. I'm starting to think it's the later.

?? I linked directly to the tutorial.

yeah ok. So you can use 5 lines of python TO CALL ANOTHER PROGRAM, which has, I don't know, prolly 100s of thousands of line of code, was written in c and assembler AND has a massive database. And that database is what allows the program to classify PICTURES of something as either A or B. And all that has FUCK to do with any 'intelligence' or 'learning', except the intelligence of whowever PROGRAMMED the thing. So, your comment "5 lines of python to automatically differentiate between cats and dogs" is just ADVERTISING. And so the question is, why are you posting advertising for that kind of thing? Also another question is, why would you think that classifying pictures of cats and dogs has any kind of political consequences or importance?

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The only reason your phone waits for you to tell it to do something

My phone is a landline phone from the 90s.

That is wonderful =) I meant the smartphones we were talking about repurposing the chips from together many weeks ago. You said you had some experience looking at them.

Yes, I know what a retarphone is, I even have a joogle randroid tablet lying around (battery is dead so the thing is actually off). My point was that your comment about retarphones was just more advertising. "your phone waits for you to tell it to do something before doing what you want it do as if it could read your mind" yeah the phone can 'predict' what its fuckingly retarded user is going to type! Wow! 'autocomplete' using a trivial database of what the fucktard user already typed! WHAT AN AMAZIN TECHNOLOGY. Or maybe the SPYING PHONE 'knows' that you always call the same person at the same time? And then can 'predict' it? Shocking! See the problem with everything you're saying? And it's doubly absurd coming from a programmer who should know how this fuckingly stupid garbage works. You're not some old stupid woman who thinks retarphones are magical are you?

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Again, here is where I mentioned what really matters. You ignored it.

The people in charge? Old men telling others what to do? They are so far away ... ?

Yeah far away. They can push a button to hear what you say and send the cops to exterminate you in 30 seconds. AND, they are working on having EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF GARBAGE you use connected to the arpanet, so that you can't lift a finger without their permision. They are really far away from you or me eh.

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I am looking at you through the bright lights you

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are staring at, and I see you staring back at me, seeming to be far more focused on me, than the things around you.

LMAO. I know what's going on better than you do, including what you're doing right now. That is, if I candidly assume you're

Both of us. We are both entranced by this conversation. We are saying silly things to each other obsessively.

Your original claim was "the technofascist system has us entranced in the mystery of its e-cocaine" I'm not entranced by the 'system' and there's no 'mystery' here. I am replying to stuff you say. However you may be right if I consider the conversation as an instance of you relaying 'the system's' propaganda. Another way to look at it is that I'm being trolled by you as well. Which is only 'entrancing' when 'entrancing' is used as sarcasm.

dumb, instead of playing dumb. But I won't assume that anymore so this is

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your 'fair warning'.

Keep vomiting propaganda and you'll be treated the way propaganda agents deserve to be treated.

I love you punk. Let me know if I'm being tortured so I can do it to myself first. It's less surprising that way.

I also really need to know wtf you are talking about here. Fair warning ????

Yeah, I won't bother explaining why your 'naive' views are nonsense and I'll simply regard them as malicious.

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idiotic marketing. so PAY ATTENTION : what matters is what the OLIGARCHY is

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doing, not their literally STUPID machines that nerds like to believe are

So how do we influence the oligarchy while they surveil us?

By beating them to death. That's the only influence that such kind of animal can 'understand'.

This results in death, friend. Oligarchies have more power to beat people than we do.

Yes, as long the we are not organized.

Also, how would you ever reach them?

You walk to the joogle offices and burn them down.

On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 01:02:46 -0500 Karl wrote:

The "medium" is working as "intended". Not how I intended it, for sure ;p

Hehe. But, I mean, the medium is more or less transmitting our thoughts, more or less faithfully.

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I have been brainwashed in certain ways, maybe you read my brainwashed habits as some kind of secret communication, I do not know.

You are indeed presenting a picture which has a heavy dose of propaganda in it (and that has nothing to with my or your english).

Yeah I do that a lot, any advice? I do try to to "attack the big things", but it mostly comes out as more propaganda.

Not much of an advice, but if you're aware that you (like the rest of us) have been indoctrinated, you can then double check what you say. re : 'neural networks'

So, after training, the database is discarded, and only the organisation of algorithms is kept. It's called a "model". It is still very big, but not as big as a database. They can shrink them, too, once they are already tuned.

Ok, so you still have complex software and a 'database of algorithms' etc. Point being, yes, you can 'easily' get your hands on that kind of system, but using it to "replace everyone's jobs with software automation" is a rather different matter. Likewise, today you can buy a supercomputer for $20, but that hasn't resulted in any healthy political change. Au contraire, and to state the painfully obvious, technical 'development' has wildly increased the power of govcorp. (hey jim bell!)

I'm not sure why you're repeatedly referencing the word "intelligence" or "learning". It's notable that computers are horrific means of torture, and that they can be programmed to improve at tasks, and that they do not have any instincts to guide how or what they do.

Yes. I keep mentioning intelligence and learning because the discussion started with so called 'machine learning'. On the other hand we're dealing with actors who are nominally human, have some human intelligence, and are fully malicious.

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So, your comment

"5 lines of python to automatically differentiate between cats and dogs"

is just ADVERTISING. And so the question is, why are you posting advertising for that kind of thing?

You asked for evidence of being able to replace all jobs with automation quickly.

Yes, and you're giving me some general information most of which I already knew (apart from some implementation detail)

That sounds like advertising, but would actually take down economic reality as we know it, replacing it with something entirely new and possibly an automated-slave-dictatorship run by the craftiest upstart.

Automated dictatorship, YES. That's the primary objective of govcorp and its technocrats. However, that won't entail a change in economic reality but simply an intensification of the current system. And after govcorp achieves automated slavery, their Next Step will be the extermination of the human race. I guess that could be called a 'new thing'.

That link was just one of 3 I sent to you in my reply. It was the introductory one.

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Also another question is, why would you think that classifying pictures of cats and dogs has any kind of political consequences or importance?

That link was just one of 3 I sent to you in my reply. It was the introductory one.

Ok, the joogle link doesn't work unless one enables javashit, which I won't, but I get the idea. But again, 'automation' being used in retardphones to keep the idiot users 'happy' and surveilled is part of the picture, but not the main theme.

The approach to classify the pictures shows that it is easy to do anything.

I don't think it means that any task can be 'automated', but I do agree with the general idea that 'automation' is being used to automate tyranny.

Say for example your job was to make everyone be quiet. You could train a machine learning algorithm to do this, by feeding it a massive dataset of automatable engagements with humans that result in them speaking less, to train or tune it. If it does poorly, update the dataset, fine tune.

Yeah automated surveillance. The 'driving force' behind all the 'artificial intelligence' bullshit. So we're talking about the same thing, but I'm focusing on the fact that this is happening not because of any 'technological breakthrough' but because the worst kind of non human trash is making it happen. You know, people like elon musk, admired by fucktards like jim bell.

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My point was that your comment about retarphones was just more advertising.

I have this great nuclear bomb too! It can power a whole city! By the way, did you know that the proof-of-work blockchain mining technique could have been associated with a system that discards all records, making it impossible to ever track billionaires manipulating whole economies for personal gain?

If you're talking about bitcoin, I think its weak anonimity properties are the result of poor planning, OR malice. But obviously the correct way to do a cryptocurrency is like the monero people do it.

Instead, we have a blockchain that publicizes everything on it.

because of poor planning, or else 'satoshi' was a NSA criminal (not impossible)

As technology advances, people can hide by laundering their coins, but like most anonymity, laundering only works if you control a small portion of the money that is moving, when the whole economy is public.

'laundering' doesn't sound like the right word. What you're calling 'laundering' is protecting one's privacy, and privacy is pretty much the fundamental value of cpunks.

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"your phone waits for you to tell it to do something before doing what you want it do as if it could read your mind"

yeah the phone can 'predict' what its fuckingly retarded user is going to type! Wow! 'autocomplete' using a trivial database of what the fucktard user

Nah, it can use its sensors to learn the ~4 primary body language and timing expressions you have that are unique and distinctive to you, and open your email when you start considering email.

That's a more invasive and convoluted form of spying. My example of autocomplete illustrates the same thing, without more 'fancy' 'technology'.

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already typed! WHAT AN AMAZIN TECHNOLOGY. Or maybe the SPYING PHONE 'knows' that you always call the same person at the same time? And then can 'predict' it? Shocking!

Yeah. The phones are able to make guesses now. Our enslaved nukes can guess.

Sounds like we're getting more on a similar page.

We are mostly on the same page, except that all these govcorp crimes against privacy haven't been enabled by 'machine learning'. 'machine learning' is just another tool they use.

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See the problem with everything you're saying? And it's doubly absurd coming from a programmer who should know how this fuckingly stupid garbage works.

You're not some old stupid woman who thinks retarphones are magical are you?

It's hard to stay not one, but not quite yet.

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The people in charge? Old men telling others what to do? They are so far away ... ?

Yeah far away. They can push a button to hear what you say and send the cops to exterminate you in 30 seconds.

That's one way of influencing them, but it's kind of slow, awkward, and highly misleading to them. It's looking like the next time that happens I might get it blockchained.

The criminals in power are 'far away' in the sense that their subjects can't easily turn them into minced meat or attack them in general, BUT, in turn, the criminals in power are quite close to their subjects when it comes to attacking their subjects. So, putting this in terms of distance obscures the situation. Of course, the whole problem is how to attack these criminals who are 'far away', i.e. well protected.

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AND, they are working on having EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF GARBAGE you use connected to the arpanet, so that you can't lift a finger without their permision. They are really far away from you or me eh.

By far away I meant, how to consider relating with these people?

Relate in what way? The only relationship I want with them is one in which I crush their skulls.

Obviously their patterns of breathing can control our ability to at all.

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I'm not entranced by the 'system' and there's no 'mystery' here. I am

"Addicts are notoriously prone to denial."

exactly what the DEA says =)

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replying to stuff you say. However you may be right if I consider the

I can observe that while you are talking to me, you are not talking to others. I use some of your communication capacity.

Well yes, I AM talking to you after all =)

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conversation as an instance of you relaying 'the system's' propaganda.

Another way to look at it is that I'm being trolled by you as well. Which is only 'entrancing' when 'entrancing' is used as sarcasm.

You observe that I am almost mind controlling you to email me, by engaging your familiar habits of replying to email. You seem to have no freedom to refrain from replying.

I can stop replying if I want to, but there are points I want to make. So are you 'mind controlling' me, or am I writing because I want to? We may be entranced by political problems - the technofascist e-mail cocaine is contingent.

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Yeah, I won't bother explaining why your 'naive' views are nonsense and I'll simply regard them as malicious.

So, then all I have to go on are the behaviors you focus on. You'd be less harmed by more focus on human leaders?

I'm not being 'harmed' by what you say. If anything it's somewhat annoying, but no big deal. And yes the problem is govcorp agents, both the 'leaders' and the cops who are just as bad (or even worse) as their 'leaders'. Their new technofascist tools do play a role, but they remain just a tool. But what's to be said about the tools is that, contrary to what 'techno-optimists' pretend to believe, 'technology' is a force for evil.

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This results in death, friend. Oligarchies have more power to beat people than we do.

Yes, as long the we are not organized.

Planning is important for action. It involves comparing the value of reasons, somehow.

Planning is very important indeed.

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Also, how would you ever reach them?

You walk to the joogle offices and burn them down.

Does that work? I guess that's kind of possible?

Well, it works if done in an organized fashion, otherwise we'll end up like kaczynski.

This is something you can usually do once. Burning down a corner store, you can get away with that repeatedly. Burning down central offices, you are found and stopped.

Yes, and by burning the corner store you're playing into their hands.

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On 2/22/21, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:

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machine learning-to-pretend-to-be-harmless

"machine learning" since public AI research mysteriously paused for 3 decades, then picked up again inside corporations with most of the existing work blatantly ignored