Fwd: [tor-talk] CULT OF THE DEAD COW Statement on Jacob Appelbaum / ioerror
The dead rise ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "ja.talk" <ja.talk@yandex.com> Date: Jun 7, 2016 10:10 PM Subject: [tor-talk] CULT OF THE DEAD COW Statement on Jacob Appelbaum / ioerror To: <tor-talk@lists.torproject.org> Cc: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2853643-Jacob-Appelbaum-CULT-of-the-... https://www.facebook.com/cultdeadcow/posts/10157076402890360 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 06-June-2016 CULT OF THE DEAD COW Statement on Jacob Appelbaum / ioerror Like much of the hacker community, we were troubled to hear the allegations of sexual abuse, manipulation, and bullying leveled against one of our members, Jacob Appelbaum, A.K.A. ioerror. We’re also aware that the Tor Project is conducting an internal investigation, and encourage anyone with relevant testimony to come forward. For some, it won’t be easy. There can be shaming or humiliation, or the fear of not being believed. It is also our responsibility to create an environment where people feel safe to come forward. We have always stood for freedom of speech and expression, which sometimes necessitates the right to anonymity. This is something that victims of abuse often require. We stand by their right to be anonymous. Others, like our friend Nick Farr, who decided to go public with his own difficulties, deserve our respect and support. Everyone will do this in their own way. We know that it may be scary, but we also encourage victims to contact their appropriate local authorities. We understand the complicated relationship we all have with law enforcement, but there is a time and place for government intervention. If the most extreme of these allegations are true, they should be addressed in a court of law, and dealt with appropriately. CULT OF THE DEAD COW is known for a lot of things, but treating people horribly is not one of them. If communities are to thrive and remain relevant we have to do some housecleaning from time to time. As we have become aware of the anonymous accusations of sexual assault, as well as the stories told by individuals we know and trust, we've decided to remove Jake from the herd effective immediately. EOM -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 22:43:46 +0300 Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
The dead rise
Well, at least they got something right. They indeed are a cult. A group of intellectual frauds. ]
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "ja.talk" <ja.talk@yandex.com> Date: Jun 7, 2016 10:10 PM Subject: [tor-talk] CULT OF THE DEAD COW Statement on Jacob Appelbaum / ioerror To: <tor-talk@lists.torproject.org> Cc:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2853643-Jacob-Appelbaum-CULT-of-the-... https://www.facebook.com/cultdeadcow/posts/10157076402890360
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 06-June-2016
CULT OF THE DEAD COW Statement on Jacob Appelbaum / ioerror
Like much of the hacker community, we were troubled to hear the allegations of sexual abuse, manipulation, and bullying leveled against one of our members, Jacob Appelbaum, A.K.A. ioerror. We’re also aware that the Tor Project is conducting an internal investigation, and encourage anyone with relevant testimony to come forward. For some, it won’t be easy. There can be shaming or humiliation, or the fear of not being believed.
It is also our responsibility to create an environment where people feel safe to come forward. We have always stood for freedom of speech and expression, which sometimes necessitates the right to anonymity. This is something that victims of abuse often require. We stand by their right to be anonymous. Others, like our friend Nick Farr, who decided to go public with his own difficulties, deserve our respect and support. Everyone will do this in their own way.
We know that it may be scary, but we also encourage victims to contact their appropriate local authorities. We understand the complicated relationship we all have with law enforcement, but there is a time and place for government intervention. If the most extreme of these allegations are true, they should be addressed in a court of law, and dealt with appropriately.
CULT OF THE DEAD COW is known for a lot of things, but treating people horribly is not one of them. If communities are to thrive and remain relevant we have to do some housecleaning from time to time. As we have become aware of the anonymous accusations of sexual assault, as well as the stories told by individuals we know and trust, we've decided to remove Jake from the herd effective immediately.
EOM -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Does anyone maintain a moderated mirror of this list? If so, feel free to message me off list. I'd also be happy to help maintain it when I have time.
Black - White Death - Life Moderated - Punk How can anyone connect the word "moderated = theoretically censored here or there" with the whole idea/l of CypherPunk? .
On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 12:21:32PM +0300, Александр wrote:
Black - White Death - Life Moderated - Punk How can anyone connect the word "moderated = theoretically censored here or there" with the whole idea/l of CypherPunk?
Oh come on! Haven't you heard the news? This is the new, improved, --conservative-- punks we're talking about! 'Punk' punks? How passé!! Plebes! :D
On 06/08/2016 02:08 AM, Nathan Andrew Fain wrote:
Does anyone maintain a moderated mirror of this list? If so, feel free to message me off list. I'd also be happy to help maintain it when I have time.
Kind of defeats the purpose of being a 'punk' now doesn't it? Maybe you were looking for a [dev] listserv?
On 6/8/16, Nathan Andrew Fain <nathan@squimp.com> wrote:
Does anyone maintain a moderated mirror of this list? If so, feel free to message me off list. I'd also be happy to help maintain it when I have time.
I maintain such a list. However you would quit before starting out of disagreement with its policy. Metzdowd runs a moderated list with various heads, corp, gov, and apologist types. Some fair tech and math and news shows up there too. But it's mostly rehash of RNGs ;) Or you could simply run thunderbird, or unix tor mutt notmuch msmtp fetchmail maildrop mailpile whatever... and tune your own moderation however you like. Don't forget to filter me out.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 06/08/2016 05:08 AM, Nathan Andrew Fain wrote:
Does anyone maintain a moderated mirror of this list? If so, feel free to message me off list. I'd also be happy to help maintain it when I have time.
Once upon a time, dialup bandwidth and megabyte-scale storage devices justified forum censorship on practical grounds. These days, any forum with "punk" in its name where "anarchy" is considered on-topic can easily afford to allow freedom of speech. To build your very own moderated digest of cpunks at home in your spare time, get a MUA with spam filtering capabilities. Personally, I'm a "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" kind of guy. Lao Tzu say: When the worst student hears about the way He laughs out loud. If he did not laugh It would be unworthy of being the way. :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXWY57AAoJEECU6c5XzmuqGuQIAKXYV/k8iEFThQWI9C5wFVyW yT0eFB34ABwGeV9KNU0BP5FlWBo1b5VWSfZZlawAEH0+mStaIiaNqij+aurKGIaQ fJ6MqTjYbRM0LhhVvvSspZAwtWjRZ4U7uQ1h6kOm3CVINBo2HO6z7MHVFq7ioqYA lZ/dg+KxJhlXTOVNaCkeRvebUnGW4Dbag8WsVWJHOr5iNM3matQzn/zurm2gSyjD VQKDZVPRCQmirEnpuYtBXljZqRdU50Lg6O65IsvSZL2+oSBODBOvh6lXt/Rphuqy v8bapujLtzogEW95dZrOi5AWYopFgdnRkCuZaJnoAelz/DL7l3MTfMCFznU7aT0= =bX7g -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Dnia środa, 8 czerwca 2016 12:08:35 CEST Nathan Andrew Fain pisze:
Does anyone maintain a moderated mirror of this list? If so, feel free to message me off list. I'd also be happy to help maintain it when I have time.
I think such an effort would have been entirely in fain, if I may say so. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
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Cari Machet
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grarpamp
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juan
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Nathan Andrew Fain
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Rayzer
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rysiek
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Steve Kinney
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Yui Hirasawa
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Zenaan Harkness
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Александр