Internet: 200 National Nets, Inet Falling Apart
https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/518762-is-the-internet-falling-apart And since you refuse to go build it P2P among yourselves, the alternet will be just as controlled censored ID's and useless for freedom as the Inet and 200 nets. Roger Cochetti directed internet public policy for IBM from 1994 through 2000 and later served as Senior Vice-President & Chief Policy Officer for VeriSign and Group Policy Director for CompTIA. This week he warned about signs "that the once open, global internet is slowly being replaced by 200, nationally-controlled, separate internets." And, while these separate American, Chinese, Russian, Australian, European, British, and other "internets" may decide to have some things in common with each other, the laws of political gravity will slowly pull them further apart as interest groups in each country lobby for their own concerns within their own country. Moreover, we will probably see the emergence of a global alternate internet before long... As background, it's important to recognize that — by almost any measure — the global internet is controlled by businesses and non-profits subject to the jurisdiction of the United States government. Within a roughly 1,000-mile strip of land stretching from San Diego to Seattle lie most major internet businesses and network control or standards bodies (and those that aren't there likely lie elsewhere in the United States). So — as the governments of China, Russia and Iran never tire of explaining — while Americans constitute around 310 million out of the world's 4.3 billion internet users (around 8%), the U.S. government exercises influence or control over more than 70% of the internet's controls and services... China's ability to control the internet experience within its bordersx` between roughly 2005 and 2018 taught many other countries that doing so, even if costly, is possible. This lesson was not lost on Russia, Iran, Australia, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, the EU and many other countries, which began developing legal (and sometimes technical) means to control internet content within their borders. This legal/technical nationalization over the past decade was significantly boosted by the realization that it was actually not very difficult for a government to substantially shut down the internet within a territory... The first major step in the introduction of a new, China-centric internet may have taken place last year when China introduced to the UN's International Telecommunications Union a proposal for a new type of protocol that would connect networks in a way comparable to, but different from, the way that the internet protocols have done. This was quickly dubbed China's New IP, and it has been the subject of major controversy as the nations and companies decide how to react. Whether a new Chinese-centric internet is based on a new series of protocols or is simply based on a new set of internet domain names and numbers, it seems likely that this alternate internet will give national governments quite a bit more control over what happens within their territories than does the global, open internet. This feature will attract quite a few national governments to join in — not least Russia, Iran and perhaps Turkey and India. The combined market power of those participating countries would make it difficult for any global internet business to avoid such a new medium. The likely result being two, parallel global computer inter-networking systems... which is pretty much what Google CEO Eric Schmidt predicted.
grarpamp wrote:
https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/518762-is-the-internet-falling-apart
And since you refuse to go build it P2P among yourselves, the alternet will be just as controlled censored ID's and useless for freedom as the Inet and 200 nets.
[...] I don't care, I had my fun. Cypherpunks should go back to the roots and figure out how to run UUCP nodes from home, like we had before Al Gore 'invented' the Internet. -- NaClbox: cc5c5f846c661343745772156a7751a5eb34d3e83d84b7d6884e507e105fd675 The computer helps us to solve problems, we did not have without him.
On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 02:50:23 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/518762-is-the-internet-falling-apart
As background, it's important to recognize that — by almost any measure — the global internet is controlled by businesses and non-profits subject to the jurisdiction of the United States government.
that is, the arpanet, the US military spying cyberweapon, is controlled by US nazi scum. Wow! That's shocking news.
This legal/technical nationalization over the past decade was significantly boosted by the realization that it was actually not very difficult for a government to substantially shut down the internet within a territory...
so when the arpanet is controlled by US nazi scum, that's not a 'nationalization'? What's the difference between the 'nation' of US nazi scumbags and other 'nations'? anyway, now we have US military propaganda agent grarpamp whining because his employers are losing control of the arpanet. Wait, that's exactly the same 'problem' that Jim Bell wants to 'solve' with his crony capitalist hero musko. What a coincidence.
Re: Internet: 200 National Nets, Inet Falling Apart
By the way, if piece of shit grarpamp were not a US military spammer he would point out that in reality the western arpanet is going from bad to worse as it becomes completely controlled by google-facebook-amazon-musko-NSA. The western arpanet used to pretend to be kinda 'decentralized' but now the mask has fallen off.
Google CEO Eric schmidt
yes exactly. anyway, yet another post that's complete US nazi garbage. Pretty much the only 'content' one can find on this fine 'cypherpunk' mailing list.
On Sun, Oct 04, 2020 at 06:22:56PM -0300, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 02:50:23 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/518762-is-the-internet-falling-apart
As background, it's important to recognize that — by almost any measure — the global internet is controlled by businesses and non-profits subject to the jurisdiction of the United States government.
that is, the arpanet, the US military spying cyberweapon, is controlled by US nazi scum. Wow! That's shocking news.
This legal/technical nationalization over the past decade was significantly boosted by the realization that it was actually not very difficult for a government to substantially shut down the internet within a territory...
so when the arpanet is controlled by US nazi scum, that's not a 'nationalization'?
Neighbour and I have been locked in weekly arm-wrestling battles over whether to call our over the fence ethernet segment either zenNet or mattNet. Saw this and offered a compromise to call it juanNet but Matty started building a bonfire for his 3rd Inquisition and threatened to literally burn burn all Spanish scum at the stake. Thankfully his wife Sheila stepped in sayin something like "I don't think that's lawful these days, dear." That settled us down, but only for another week so I've upped my reps and added anuddah 200 grams - Matty's goin DOWN!
On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 08:43:27 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
Neighbour and I have been locked in weekly arm-wrestling battles over whether to call our over the fence ethernet segment either zenNet or mattNet.
The 'issues' with the arpanet are not about naming anything though. What the pentagon agents 'grarpamp' and Jim Bell are talking about is how to further extend the reach of their employers, the US military, into 'national' networks like those of china, iran, etc. Hence all the spam Jim Bell has been posting re: 'starlink'. Oh, and notice how Jim Bell went silent after I posted (for the 10th time) information on how corrupt his randroid hero musk is https://mises.org/wire/elon-musk-crony-capitalist https://reason.com/2016/04/28/elon-musk-crony-capitalist/ https://spectator.org/elon-musk-king-of-the-crony-capitalists/
On Mon, Oct 05, 2020 at 10:19:11PM -0300, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 08:43:27 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
Neighbour and I have been locked in weekly arm-wrestling battles over whether to call our over the fence ethernet segment either zenNet or mattNet.
The 'issues' with the arpanet are not about naming anything though.
Dude! What you callin my zenNet ethernet segment? MUFFA DUCKA!
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