President Barack Obama said Friday that police and spies should not be locked out of encrypted smartphones and messaging apps... http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/01/16/obama-sides-with-cameron-in-encryptio... http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/01/17/2156204/obama-govt-shouldnt-be-hamper... tions American should be in the streets over talk like this.
On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 14:34:42 -0800, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
President Barack Obama said Friday that police and spies should not be locked out of encrypted smartphones and messaging apps...
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/01/16/obama-sides-with-cameron-in-encryptio... http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/01/17/2156204/obama-govt-shouldnt-be-hamper... tions
We all knew this was coming. Apex predators never appreciate their prey having the ability to communicate (privately!), organize and resist their predations.
American should be in the streets over talk like this.
Taking it to the streets in my observation mostly results in innocent people getting viciously attacked by police. I feel that it would be more effective long term to channel that anger into something productive. Something that tangibly tilts the balance of power back to the people, such as building out community owned networks, wireless or otherwise. [1] Or supporting open phone initiatives like Indie. [2] Growing your own food. Getting off the grid. etc. A self sufficient population is less easily brought to heel. [1] http://peerproduction.net/issues/issue-6-disruption-and-the-law/peer-reviewe... [2] https://ind.ie/about/manifesto/
On 01/17/2015 03:34 PM, grarpamp wrote:
President Barack Obama said Friday that police and spies should not be locked out of encrypted smartphones and messaging apps...
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/01/16/obama-sides-with-cameron-in-encryptio... http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/01/17/2156204/obama-govt-shouldnt-be-hamper... tions
American should be in the streets over talk like this.
It was support for Clipper that denied Al Gore the Presidency in 2000. But whatever, Democrats have zero chance in 2016 ;)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 tl;dr ..... or not? If it's free and open source and not part of what is produced by a corporation (and is auditable) (and can be held in repositories in a bunch of different places that can be compared to each other so as to make sure that the place for public to download isn't just infected with crap from government), then great! If it is not free and open source and if it relies in any way on any corporation and cannot be downloaded directly from github or a similar repository system, then oh well, you aren't going to be able to rely on it, because the corporation (in the US and in most places in the world) isn't going to be able to legally operate and certainly won't be able to legally distribute to the US without license from the USG. And that is all, and the EFF can huff and puff but at the end of the day there will be no large scale uprising because the level of apathy in the US is at an all time high. I mean, how many years has EFF been with Jewel v. NSA in the courts? Their lawyers might die before the case gets resolution. People are kind of excited about CISPA fight (and maybe the mailing lists that are used to fight CISPA could also be used for fighting Obama and Cameron on encryption), though I sense that is kind of wearing thin after so many damn repeats of the same thing. Over and over. One of the things I suggest doing is just saying screw humanity for a while. Put some of our best, most hardcore code, like Gnupg (gpg) and some of the best stuff, that you could think of (I happen to like textsecure) - look, I'm sure you could think of all kinds of amazing things - just examples of really good crypto. You know, like bitcoin (BTC) and BCN. And put all this stuff in as examples of like, an undersea Voyager 1. And then send it to the bottom of the ocean. And tell it to come back in like 10 years, or 50 years, but to, you know, check back from a distance first, to make sure that we are not dead first, to make sure we haven't killed ourselves off or that we haven't screwed up even more than we have already. So here is my concept project for an undersea Voyager 1: https://twitter.com/AnonyOdinn/status/556952326347317248 On Github: https://github.com/abisprotocol/ImmortalCode The idea is there is code and DNA kind of mixed together in an Autonomous Knowledge Node, protected in a robotic hard shell as an OpenROV, sort of like a little submarine, but it can reproduce in certain conditions. And it can then communicate with other species. It will try to learn things to bring back from the depths to help us survive, assuming we are still alive when we return. (And of course it will bring back the crypto it carried along as well sort of like the Golden Platter of Voyager 1 or something) This is kind of along ramble, so I'll just be quiet now. - -O Mirimir:
On 01/17/2015 03:34 PM, grarpamp wrote:
President Barack Obama said Friday that police and spies should not be locked out of encrypted smartphones and messaging apps...
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/01/16/obama-sides-with-cameron-in-encryptio...
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/01/17/2156204/obama-govt-shouldnt-be-hamper...
tions
American should be in the streets over talk like this.
It was support for Clipper that denied Al Gore the Presidency in 2000.
But whatever, Democrats have zero chance in 2016 ;)
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On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:17 PM, odinn <odinn.cyberguerrilla@riseup.net> wrote:
tl;dr ..... or not?
No, this is historical possibility. Might as well throw in a copy of Wikipedia too. Just like the seed and genome banks out there for if/when we fuck it up. Even the cryopreservation wonks. The whole of human knowledge and existance thing. Humanity goes in these long cycles of destroy and rebuild, some more severe and complete than others. And odds of higher completion increase with inventing more non natural processes over short time like bioengineering and nukes that have not yet reached long time evolutionary integration/protection toward natural defence/backoff.
And that is all, and the EFF can huff and puff but at the end of the day there will be no large scale uprising because the level of apathy
It's not just the US. There are world protests, but lasting real success anywhere in the world against the pro-surveillors and anti-cryptos and nothing-to-hiders and thought-crimers, seems yet to be determined.
People are kind of excited about CISPA fight (and maybe the mailing lists that are used to fight CISPA could also be used for fighting
That's because they apparently love using the internet for piracy so they can watch the fucking Simpsons and football and movies and porn and Beyonce. Portray the issues last above into them not being able to do that anymore and you might see some riseup activity there. Probably more than you'd see if you told them their corps/govts/friends were reading their sexy text messages because they kindof already know that and don't give a fuck because it's just being watched, not being *taken away from them*. You have to take away the beer and candy and gasoline and water and vaporize their cash flow to get a reaction.
One of the things I suggest doing is just saying screw humanity for a while. Put some of our best, most hardcore code, like Gnupg (gpg) and ... (BTC) and BCN. And put all this stuff in as examples of like, an undersea Voyager 1. And then send it to the bottom of the ocean. And tell it to come back in like 10 years, or 50 years, but to, you know, check back from a distance first, to make sure that we are not dead first, to make sure we haven't killed ourselves off or that we haven't screwed up even more than we have already. ... https://twitter.com/AnonyOdinn/status/556952326347317248 https://github.com/abisprotocol/ImmortalCode The idea is there is code and DNA kind of mixed together in an Autonomous Knowledge Node, protected in a robotic hard shell as an OpenROV, sort of like a little submarine, but it can reproduce in certain conditions. And it can then communicate with other species. It will try to learn things to bring back from the depths to help us survive, assuming we are still alive when we return. (And of course it will bring back the crypto it carried along as well sort of like the Golden Platter of Voyager 1 or something)
This is kind of along ramble, so I'll just be quiet now.
Dnia poniedziałek, 19 stycznia 2015 18:46:24 grarpamp pisze:
People are kind of excited about CISPA fight (and maybe the mailing lists that are used to fight CISPA could also be used for fighting
That's because they apparently love using the internet for piracy
You keep using that word: http://copyspeak.org/piracy Language is important. By using the language of the "other side" we partially agree to their terms and fight an uphill battle. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On Mon, 19 Jan 2015 23:30:40 -0800, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote: You keep using that word:
Language is important. By using the language of the "other side" we partially agree to their terms and fight an uphill battle.
So true. “The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper name.” -Confucious. Never accept nor internalize the neuro-linguistic slave-speak programming of the control freaks. -- Don't find fault, find a remedy. - Henry Ford
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:30 AM, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
http://copyspeak.org/piracy Language is important. By using the language of the "other side" we partially agree to their terms and fight an uphill battle.
People often fight the same battles in different ways, and sometimes if focus/wait on words the grater point may be blur/miss, even up to repress themselves and any flanking contribution to battles. Here are words on same battles... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o25I2fzFGoY
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On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:17 PM, odinn <odinn.cyberguerrilla@riseup.net> wrote:
tl;dr ..... or not?
No, this is historical possibility. Might as well throw in a copy of Wikipedia too. Just like the seed and genome banks out there for if/when we fuck it up. Even the cryopreservation wonks. The whole of human knowledge and existance thing. Humanity goes in these long cycles of destroy and rebuild, some more severe and complete than others. And odds of higher completion increase with inventing more non natural processes over short time like bioengineering and nukes that have not yet reached long time evolutionary integration/protection toward natural defence/backoff.
Yeah.
And that is all, and the EFF can huff and puff but at the end of the day there will be no large scale uprising because the level of apathy
It's not just the US. There are world protests, but lasting real success anywhere in the world against the pro-surveillors and anti-cryptos and nothing-to-hiders and thought-crimers, seems yet to be determined.
People are kind of excited about CISPA fight (and maybe the mailing lists that are used to fight CISPA could also be used for fighting
That's because they apparently love using the internet for piracy so they can watch the fucking Simpsons and football and movies and porn and Beyonce. Portray the issues last above into them not being able to do that anymore and you might see some riseup activity there. Probably more than you'd see if you told them their corps/govts/friends were reading their sexy text messages because they kindof already know that and don't give a fuck because it's just being watched, not being *taken away from them*. You have to take away the beer and candy and gasoline and water and vaporize their cash flow to get a reaction.
As stated in the github on ImmortalCode, I'm totally down for contributors, https://github.com/abisprotocol/ImmortalCode And, I haven't set up a mechanism to fund this, but I know from memory, an OpenROV to ensconce it in costs not much ~ though the polymerase chain reaction stuff, DNA work, crypto, seed and genome bank you want to pack in, would certainly cost more than jut the OpenROV machinery, but actually the overall project is low cost by the time you are done with the thing. Greater difficulty would be to determine how to ensure it would reproduce itself at depth, tougher than just producing a wandering rover sort of thing, for sure (partly due to that we don't know what happens in most parts of the deep), and also due to the complexity of merging Turritopsis dohrnii DNA with Open Worm DNA (in biological form, a Caenorhabditis Elegans, which has 302 neurons and 959 cells), as well as inserting a "human signal" in the form of a tiny segment of human DNA into the modified T. dohrnii as well before protecting the creature within a modified OpenROV to help protect it and ensure its safe return to land. A significant amount of initial design would be necessary to determine what equipment and sensors it would have so that it would run with in tandem with knowledge nodes that would enable it to share knowledge between species across vast areas of the ocean without human intervention. That's the general idea, anyway. I'm open to it. I'll set up a donation address soon and put it on the readme page. - -O
One of the things I suggest doing is just saying screw humanity for a while. Put some of our best, most hardcore code, like Gnupg (gpg) and ... (BTC) and BCN. And put all this stuff in as examples of like, an undersea Voyager 1. And then send it to the bottom of the ocean. And tell it to come back in like 10 years, or 50 years, but to, you know, check back from a distance first, to make sure that we are not dead first, to make sure we haven't killed ourselves off or that we haven't screwed up even more than we have already. ... https://twitter.com/AnonyOdinn/status/556952326347317248 https://github.com/abisprotocol/ImmortalCode The idea is there is code and DNA kind of mixed together in an Autonomous Knowledge Node, protected in a robotic hard shell as an OpenROV, sort of like a little submarine, but it can reproduce in certain conditions. And it can then communicate with other species. It will try to learn things to bring back from the depths to help us survive, assuming we are still alive when we return. (And of course it will bring back the crypto it carried along as well sort of like the Golden Platter of Voyager 1 or something)
This is kind of along ramble, so I'll just be quiet now.
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On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:53 AM, odinn <odinn.cyberguerrilla@riseup.net> wrote:
As stated in the github on ImmortalCode, I'm totally down for contributors,
https://github.com/abisprotocol/ImmortalCode ... also due to the complexity of merging Turritopsis dohrnii DNA with Open Worm DNA (in biological form, a Caenorhabditis Elegans, which has 302 neurons and 959 cells), as well as inserting a "human signal" in the form of a tiny segment of human DNA into the modified T. dohrnii
This is interesting life form and potential applications and threads of thought.
as well before protecting the creature within a modified OpenROV to help protect it and ensure its safe return to land. A significant
We must recall... the tech to build and hide the Ark usually implies the memory and ability to find, maintain, covet, wager for, or destroy the Ark before you lose such memory and ability. It is very hard to hide a thing from oneself, particularly when under need or duress. Agreed, these class of problem is interesting and worth solving. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clock_of_the_Long_Now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_repository http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_Golden_Record http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence
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