Ann Coulter - libertarian? - "There shall be a free market in health insurance."
Removing protectionist monopolies? Naaah, couldn't possibly work... Ann Coulter: How to Provide Universal Health Care Using This One Easy Trick http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/01/ann-coulter-provide-unive...
On 03/02/2017 12:17 AM, #$%&#$ %&#$%&#$ wrote:
Ann Coulter: How to Provide Universal Health Care Using This One Easy Trick http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/01/ann-coulter-provide-unive...
The "free market" is what is wrong with "health care" in the US. For-profit hospitals have to make money, so they charge outrageous prices. For-profit "health insurance" companies want to make money, so they negotiate the best deals with hospitals. If you don't have health insurance, you don't get the rate charged to the insurance companies, you get a much higher rate. There is no limit to what a for-profit hospital can charge, especially for ER (what we call A&E) visits. I am not the first to say this: the US has among the best medical care in the world, if you can afford it. And the last five words in that statement are the problem. The ACA (Obamacare) wasn't perfect, but it was the first step towards fixing a broken system: 80% of premiums had to go towards paying for care, and pre-existing condition exclusions were no longer allowed (since if you look hard enough, almost everyone has a pre-existing condition somewhere). If Mitt Romney was elected and they called it Romneycare, the Republicans would praise it and praise Mittens like he was the greatest president since George Washington. Is it any coincidence that they didn't? (Hint: look at pictures of Mittens and Obama.) -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 00:43:48 -0600 wortheless piece of american nazi shit "Shawn K. Quinn" <skquinn@rushpost.com> vomited :
On 03/02/2017 12:17 AM, #$%&#$ %&#$%&#$ wrote:
Ann Coulter: How to Provide Universal Health Care Using This One Easy Trick http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/01/ann-coulter-provide-unive...
The "free market" is what is wrong with "health care" in the US.
what do americunt fascists like you know about the "free market" sonny? and why would your stupid socialist vomits be 'on topic' in this list by-the-way?
On 3/2/2017 4:43 PM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
The "free market" is what is wrong with "health care" in the US. For-profit hospitals have to make money, so they charge outrageous prices.
Singapore has socialist health care and genuine free market health care. Most people use the free market healthcare, and pay for it out of their own pockets (not quite their own pockets - out of mandatory savings accounts) It is best healthcare system in the world. The prices are fairly similar to the free market health care sectors in India and Thailand. When government guarantees free healthcare for everyone, the hospitals get overrun by bums seeking a free bed and free meals, and by drug addicts seeking free drugs, as for example in Canada. And then the government starts bumping off old people to make room. The problem in America today is that lots of people get free healthcare, and these people go in by the same door, and see the same triage nurse as you do, so there is always a long queue of bums and drug addicts in front of you running up the cost of healthcare. If you are not prepared to let bums and drug addicts drop dead, you wind up bumping off retirees. Which is the Obamacare crisis. Ann Coulter cannot buy health insurance at any price, because bums and drug addicts are in front of her. She can buy what Obama calls health insurance, but it does not cover cancer, broken legs, etc, and has extremely high deductibles, so is effectively not health insurance. And that is the collapse of Obamacare.
An Coulter says:
The only complicated part of fixing health care is figuring out how to take care of the other 10 percent of Americans — the poor, the irresponsible and the unlucky. And the only reason that is complicated is because of fraud.
Needless to say, the modern nanny state already guarantees that no one will die on the street in America. The taxpayer spends more than a trillion dollars every year on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security disability insurance so that everyone’s health is taken care of, from cradle to grave.
Policing fraud is difficult because: (1) the bureaucrats dispensing government benefits believe there is no fraud and, if there is, it’s a good thing because it redistributes income; and (2) we keep bringing in immigrants for whom fraud is a way of life. (See “Adios, America! The Left’s Plan to Turn Our Country Into a Third World Hellhole.”)
I can confirm this from my visit to Canadian hospital. It appeared that I was the only person there who was not a bum or a drug addict. I guess that all normal Canadians who needed to go to hospital went across the US border.
On 03/01/2017 10:43 PM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
Ann Coulter: How to Provide Universal Health Care Using This One Easy Trick http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/01/ann-coulter-provide-unive... The "free market" is what is wrong with "health care" in the US. For-profit hospitals have to make money, so they charge outrageous
On 03/02/2017 12:17 AM, #$%&#$ %&#$%&#$ wrote: prices. For-profit "health insurance" companies want to make money, so they negotiate the best deals with hospitals. If you don't have health insurance, you don't get the rate charged to the insurance companies, you get a much higher rate. There is no limit to what a for-profit hospital can charge, especially for ER (what we call A&E) visits.
I am not the first to say this: the US has among the best medical care in the world, if you can afford it. And the last five words in that statement are the problem.
I take issue 'pre-comma' in the first sentence. No. Not really... See below. We seek A LOT of 'medical attention' (neurotic narcissists who need 'hand-holding'). Americans are the most "pained" (as in feeling of pain) people on the planet <https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-02/more-than-half-of-americans-are-in-so-much-pain-they-can-t-sleep>, but you DON'T GET 'medical care'. You get machines that diagnose and medications that are typically symptom suppression, not curatives. This medical device cost $113.20 to make. http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/58159127876 Camera & assembly $9 Screen $12 Connecting wire $1 Probe $2 (x24, # of probes in a package) Battery $8 Housing $10 Stand $17.20 Total Part $105.20 Assembly/packaging $8 Total: $113.20 It 'retails' for $9,825.00 The REALLY funny thing though? We spend more time with devices and less time with doctors than anyone else on the planet and we aren't one bit healthier for it. As a matter of fact it looks like this way of proscribed 'medical care' actually shortens our lifespans.
The ACA (Obamacare) wasn't perfect, but it was the first step towards fixing a broken system: 80% of premiums had to go towards paying for care, and pre-existing condition exclusions were no longer allowed (since if you look hard enough, almost everyone has a pre-existing condition somewhere). If Mitt Romney was elected and they called it Romneycare, the Republicans would praise it and praise Mittens like he was the greatest president since George Washington. Is it any coincidence that they didn't? (Hint: look at pictures of Mittens and Obama.)
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 00:43:48 -0600 "Shawn K. Quinn" <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
The "free market" is what is wrong with "health care" in the US. For-profit hospitals have to make money, so they charge outrageous prices.
The guy selling hotdogs in the street has to make money too. He doesn't charge outrageous prices*. OOPS - quinn doesn't have a fucking clue. Who would have thought it? So called 'health care' is expensive because of the corporatist 'private' mafia that the government created. In other words, there's no 'free market' in health care. *Of course, everything is more expesive than it should be thanks to nazis (national socialists) like quinn and his beloved government, including food. But not even the so called MSM is calling for food socialism...yet.
On 03/02/2017 12:46 PM, #$%& wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 00:43:48 -0600 "Shawn K. Quinn" <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
The "free market" is what is wrong with "health care" in the US. For-profit hospitals have to make money, so they charge outrageous prices.
The guy selling hotdogs in the street has to make money too. He doesn't charge outrageous prices*. OOPS - quinn doesn't have a fucking clue. Who would have thought it?
$500+ for six ounces of saline solution is outrageous by any reasonable standard. Compared to that, even $10 for a six-inch hotdog in some places might not be too bad of a deal, though personally I'm unlikely to pay more than about $5-6 on an actual street corner. (Sidenote: On my last visit to James Coney Island here in Houston, two Texas style hot dogs and a large Coke came out to $10.79, which I don't consider outrageous in the least.) The difference, though, is you usually can compare prices of hot dog street vendors before deciding where to have your lunch. If you have a heart attack, there's no shopping around for the cheapest ER. This is where the "free market" fails; under a "free market" that heart attack could easily bankrupt you if you are a self-pay customer. I believe medical care is a human right. We've failed at that in the US because even though there exists a nominal public-funded health care system, it's vastly lower quality compared to what even moderately well-off people get. -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 16:04:28 -0600 "Shawn K. Quinn" <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
On 03/02/2017 12:46 PM, #$%& wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 00:43:48 -0600 "Shawn K. Quinn" <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
The "free market" is what is wrong with "health care" in the US. For-profit hospitals have to make money, so they charge outrageous prices.
The guy selling hotdogs in the street has to make money too. He doesn't charge outrageous prices*. OOPS - quinn doesn't have a fucking clue. Who would have thought it?
$500+ for six ounces of saline solution is outrageous by any reasonable standard.
Indeed. I never said othewise. You seem to have missed my point completely. Or you are playing dumb? Here we go again : you claim or 'imply' that health care prices are outrageous because health care is 'for profit'. But that does not follow at all. It is a textbook example of 'non sequitur'. Huge amounts of products and services are offered for profit in the fake free market and yet their prices are not outrageous. So even the fake, limited, for-profit market we have can produce reasonably cheap stuff. What actually follows from the high prices of 'health care' is that 'health care' operates under especially vicious anti-free market policies.
The difference, though, is you usually can compare prices of hot dog street vendors before deciding where to have your lunch. If you have a heart attack, there's no shopping around for the cheapest ER.
You should have done that before having a heart attack. You should also lead a 'health' life of face the consequences. And why am I even replying to such fallacious objection anyway.
This is where the "free market" fails; under a "free market" that heart attack could easily bankrupt you if you are a self-pay customer.
You are talking about the corporatist system your government created. That's not a free market. If you are putting free market in scare quotes, fine. Then you should realize that the way to fix the problem is to get rid of government. In case you never noticed, getting rid of government is somewhat related to 'cypherpunks'.
I believe medical care is a human right.
So what? Well yes, your belief shows that your understanding of rights is limited or non existent..
We've failed at that in the US because even though there exists a nominal public-funded health care system, it's vastly lower quality compared to what even moderately well-off people get.
On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 07:28:06PM -0300, Juan wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 16:04:28 -0600 "Shawn K. Quinn" <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
I believe medical care is a human right.
So what? Well yes, your belief shows that your understanding of rights is limited or non existent..
Uhmerrika, where yuman rights == free stuff.
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