Tor Replaces Its Entire Board
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-project-elects-new-board%C2%A0-director... http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/14/technology/tor-project-a-digital-privacy-g... Tor guts itself. And under whatever your definition of "elects" is. Note the headline pic... can't fade me brahs, still reppin :)
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/14/technology/tor-project-a-digital-priva cy-group-reboots-with-new-board.html
Tor guts itself. And under whatever your definition of "elects" is.
Note the headline pic... can't fade me brahs, still reppin :)
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On 07/13/2016 08:54 PM, juan wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 23:39:32 -0400 Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
Bruce Schneier gonna be on the board, this should be fun!
It doesn't take much effort to find out that schneider is some kind of americunt neocon.
Didn't he do speaking tours with Medea Benjamin? Is she an 'americunt neocon' too? Is everyone within the territorial boundaries of the continental US, cunts? Enquiring minds want to know what the mentally ill troll thinks. Rr
On Jul 14, 2016 8:44 AM, "Georgi Guninski" <guninski@guninski.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:39:32PM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:
Bruce Schneier gonna be on the board, this should be fun!
lol, one of the best ways to kill his reputation (if any).
It would be pretty fun. More funny memes! :D https://www.schneierfacts.com/facts/37 The internet always needs more cats and memes to survive. Schneier using onions to attack terrorists and pedophiles in a version of Angry Birds would be pop and very cute, ow! *-* Tor Project should consider Chuck Norris on the board too. :)
On Jul 14, 2016 9:15 AM, "Cecilia Tanaka" <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:
Schneier using onions to attack terrorists and pedophiles in a version of
Angry Birds would be pop and very cute, ow! *-* Hmm... Pokémon Go is already a more popular app than Tinder, another app where you swipe to find monsters in your area. So maybe would be more insteresting to create a game where we can use our accounts as a Pokédex, a database of personal profiles, stats, useful informations, etc, but about activists, IT Security experts, researchers, etc, not about real monsters. You know, a Pokédex exactly like FBI and NSA already have, hihi... ;) (To slower people, it's just a silly joke. Avoid unnecessary drama when something is very obvious. I don't support Internet vigilantism and FBI and NSA's "pokédex".)
On 07/13/2016 08:17 PM, grarpamp wrote:
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-project-elects-new-board%C2%A0-director... http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/14/technology/tor-project-a-digital-privacy-g...
Tor guts itself. And under whatever your definition of "elects" is.
Note the headline pic... can't fade me brahs, still reppin :)
C'mon... Someone say something truly stupid like "Bruce Schneier is a sleeper for the CIA to make sure Tor stays insecure." Rr
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 20:44:12 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
Someone say something truly stupid like "Bruce Schneier is a sleeper for the CIA to make sure Tor stays insecure."
No, no, no. That's mathematically impossible. schneier is a libertarian individualist anarchist who doesn't have any loyalty to the americunt nazis. schneier is as much of a principled anarchist as you, rayzer...
Rr
On 07/13/2016 09:44 PM, Rayzer wrote:
On 07/13/2016 08:17 PM, grarpamp wrote:
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-project-elects-new-board%C2%A0-director... http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/14/technology/tor-project-a-digital-privacy-g...
Tor guts itself. And under whatever your definition of "elects" is.
Note the headline pic... can't fade me brahs, still reppin :)
C'mon...
Someone say something truly stupid like "Bruce Schneier is a sleeper for the CIA to make sure Tor stays insecure."
No, he's the token good guy ;) Stupid enough?
On 07/13/2016 09:28 PM, Mirimir wrote:
On 07/13/2016 09:44 PM, Rayzer wrote:
On 07/13/2016 08:17 PM, grarpamp wrote:
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-project-elects-new-board%C2%A0-director... http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/14/technology/tor-project-a-digital-privacy-g...
Tor guts itself. And under whatever your definition of "elects" is.
Note the headline pic... can't fade me brahs, still reppin :)
C'mon...
Someone say something truly stupid like "Bruce Schneier is a sleeper for the CIA to make sure Tor stays insecure."
No, he's the token good guy ;)
Point taken. That's the way the local city council is populated (if you're socially to the left of fascists). One advantage I can see with Schneier is there's someone on the board to toot their horn if they find or hear about something amiss, and the personal infosec capability to front other whistleblowers without blowing their cover I don't think he has any qualms about doing that and DOES NOT NEED torproject to be celebrity nor can they really damage his rep. It's unlikely that what happened to ioerror could be done to him because A, he's not sub-culturally affiliated, whatever you want that to mean... B... He was a hardcore CIA intel analyst and his persec is going to be uncrackeable by the kind of jokers he might encounter at torproject. Therefore I think he's more than appropriate as a watchdog...
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 20:44:12 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
Someone say something truly stupid like "Bruce Schneier is a sleeper for the CIA to make sure Tor stays insecure."
Oh, and by the way rayzer, You never finished explaining your conspiracy theory regarding appelbaum? What happened to poor appelbaum? He's the victim of a complot of course! But led by whom? The swiss, the chinese, pedophiles, anti-semites, right-wingers, or what?
Rr
On 07/14/2016 12:06 AM, juan wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 20:44:12 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
Someone say something truly stupid like "Bruce Schneier is a sleeper for the CIA to make sure Tor stays insecure."
Oh, and by the way rayzer,
You never finished explaining your conspiracy theory regarding appelbaum?
What happened to poor appelbaum? He's the victim of a complot of course! But led by whom? The swiss, the chinese, pedophiles, anti-semites, right-wingers, or what?
I had no "Conspiracy Theory" regarding ioerror but I did just mention something about him in re one of the new board members elsewhere in the thread. If you read it and you don't like my analysis. Fuck off I TRULY don't care. Rr
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 07:37:36 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 07/14/2016 12:06 AM, juan wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 20:44:12 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
Someone say something truly stupid like "Bruce Schneier is a sleeper for the CIA to make sure Tor stays insecure."
Oh, and by the way rayzer,
You never finished explaining your conspiracy theory regarding appelbaum?
What happened to poor appelbaum? He's the victim of a complot of course! But led by whom? The swiss, the chinese, pedophiles, anti-semites, right-wingers, or what?
I had no "Conspiracy Theory" regarding ioerror
Sure, sure. While I search for your past posts, why don't you explain what happened to him anyway? What, you are too much of a dishonest clown to face basic facts?
but I did just mention something about him in re one of the new board members elsewhere in the thread.
bla bla bla
If you read it and you don't like my analysis. Fuck off I TRULY don't care.
Rr
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:51:15 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 07/14/2016 12:10 PM, juan wrote:
Sure, sure. While I search for your past posts
Sure, sure. You do that nutjob.
I already did stupid scumbag
From rayzer@riseup.net Sat Jun 4 23:13:17 2016
"Appelbaum's departure under seemingly normal circumstances being seized as excuse to (what appears to be) institutionally slander him." "The smear site is privacy-protected as to ownership but it appears to use github's servers. http://en.utrace.de/?query=jacobappelbaum.net Hasn't github been 'compromised'? " ** hacking conspiracy against github too!
From rayzer@riseup.net Tue Jun 7 14:25:47 2016
" You mean like my "Mistake" assuming ioerror was the victim of orchestrated institutional slander?" "The reason I noted it so quickly is because Institutional Slander campaigns aren't new, " So, let's now hear your conspiracy theory, scumbag.
On 07/14/2016 06:24 PM, juan wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:51:15 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 07/14/2016 12:10 PM, juan wrote:
Sure, sure. While I search for your past posts Sure, sure. You do that nutjob.
I already did stupid scumbag
From rayzer@riseup.net Sat Jun 4 23:13:17 2016
"Appelbaum's departure under seemingly normal circumstances being seized as excuse to (what appears to be) institutionally slander him."
Indeed, that's what has happened. Still waiting for someone to contact the police about his alleged rapes. Nutjob.
"The smear site is privacy-protected as to ownership but it appears to use github's servers. http://en.utrace.de/?query=jacobappelbaum.net Hasn't github been 'compromised'? "
** hacking conspiracy against github too!
I never mentioned hacking anything. Nutjob. The poster had an account. Nutjob
From rayzer@riseup.net Tue Jun 7 14:25:47 2016
" You mean like my "Mistake" assuming ioerror was the victim of orchestrated institutional slander?"
"The reason I noted it so quickly is because Institutional Slander campaigns aren't new, "
So, let's now hear your conspiracy theory, scumbag.
So I'm still waiting for you to show me one I've posted. Nutjob.
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 18:39:11 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 07/14/2016 06:24 PM, juan wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:51:15 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 07/14/2016 12:10 PM, juan wrote:
Sure, sure. While I search for your past posts Sure, sure. You do that nutjob.
I already did stupid scumbag
From rayzer@riseup.net Sat Jun 4 23:13:17 2016
"Appelbaum's departure under seemingly normal circumstances being seized as excuse to (what appears to be) institutionally slander him."
Indeed, that's what has happened. Still waiting for someone to contact the police about his alleged rapes. Nutjob.
So you are saying that the rest of tor scumbags are 'slandering' their 'ex' comrade, and 'freedom fighter' appelbaum? How can such a horrible conspiracy be possible?? You sound like a nutjob rayzer... And of course, a leading 'anarchist' like you get his facts from the police. Isn't that cute...
"The smear site is privacy-protected as to ownership but it appears to use github's servers. http://en.utrace.de/?query=jacobappelbaum.net Hasn't github been 'compromised'? "
** hacking conspiracy against github too!
I never mentioned hacking anything. Nutjob. The poster had an account. Nutjob
Well, it's obvious that you are a charlantan too. Github has been 'compromised'...
" You mean like my "Mistake" assuming ioerror was the victim of orchestrated institutional slander?"
"The reason I noted it so quickly is because Institutional Slander campaigns aren't new, "
So I'm still waiting for you to show me one I've posted. Nutjob.
Come on rayzer. You *are* pretty stupid, but even in your case it's clear that you are going the extra mile here and playing even more dumb. There's an "orchestrasted institutional slander campaign", which just so happens to have been orchestrated by...your tor friends!!!! Go ahead, razyer, do play your part =)
On 07/14/2016 06:55 PM, juan wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 18:39:11 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 07/14/2016 06:24 PM, juan wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:51:15 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 07/14/2016 12:10 PM, juan wrote:
Sure, sure. While I search for your past posts Sure, sure. You do that nutjob. I already did stupid scumbag
From rayzer@riseup.net Sat Jun 4 23:13:17 2016
"Appelbaum's departure under seemingly normal circumstances being seized as excuse to (what appears to be) institutionally slander him."
Indeed, that's what has happened. Still waiting for someone to contact the police about his alleged rapes. Nutjob.
So you are saying that the rest of tor scumbags are 'slandering' their 'ex' comrade, and 'freedom fighter' appelbaum?
I'm saying you're a trolling nutjob. Nutjob. It's not 'the rest'. It's 'a few'. There's a difference Nutjob.
How can such a horrible conspiracy be possible?? You sound like a nutjob rayzer...
And of course, a leading 'anarchist' like you get his facts from the police. Isn't that cute...
I don't get facts from the police. If and when it occurs I get INFORMATION from them. There's a difference ... Nutjob.
"The smear site is privacy-protected as to ownership but it appears to use github's servers. http://en.utrace.de/?query=jacobappelbaum.net Hasn't github been 'compromised'? "
** hacking conspiracy against github too!
I never mentioned hacking anything. Nutjob. The poster had an account. Nutjob
Well, it's obvious that you are a charlantan too.
Github has been 'compromised'...
That seems to be the sentiment of quite a few people who put their code there... Nutjob.
" You mean like my "Mistake" assuming ioerror was the victim of orchestrated institutional slander?"
"The reason I noted it so quickly is because Institutional Slander campaigns aren't new, "
So I'm still waiting for you to show me one I've posted. Nutjob.
Come on rayzer. You *are* pretty stupid, but even in your case it's clear that you are going the extra mile here and playing even more dumb.
There's an "orchestrasted institutional slander campaign", which just so happens to have been orchestrated by...your tor friends!!!!
Go ahead, razyer, do play your part =)
There's an "orchestrasted institutional slander campaign", by people who have a bone to pick with ioerror, and it doesn't seem to be the 'bone' that allegedly got rammed up their allegedly unwilling asses or else there's be a police report from ONE OF THEM by now, and for your information, NUTJOB, I have no friends that came from ANYTHING related to computers or the industry. I make acquaintances with Libertarian psychopaths (like you nutjob), I don't befriend them. ArAr
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 20:16:43 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
I'm saying you're a trolling nutjob. Nutjob.
It's not 'the rest'. It's 'a few'.
lol! you are delusional =) Do you know that your beloved tor project threw that 'anarchist', pentagon-financed clown appelbaum under the bus? How did that happen, sonny? =) How is it possible that the tor freedon fighters didn't show any sort of 'solidarity' for their brother appelbaum? =) How do explain what's going on with a 'few' high-ranking tor cunts, sonny? Why are you so unwilling to share your little conspiracy theory? =) You know what you should be explaining? You should explain what kind of retard 'trusts' a 'project' staffed by gentlemen like the tor gentlemen. The tor gentlemen : on the pentagon's payroll. Having CIA employees. Lunatic left-wing 'feminist' fascists. Censors. And above all, backstabbing scumbags. They sure are people who deserve "full trust" =)
There's a difference Nutjob.
In your delusional mind? sure.
How can such a horrible conspiracy be possible?? You sound like a nutjob rayzer...
And of course, a leading 'anarchist' like you get his facts from the police. Isn't that cute...
I don't get facts from the police. If and when it occurs I get INFORMATION from them.
You say nothing happened because your government's police force (or germany's) says nothing happened? You are the king of anarchists rayzer! And's how's the DVM doing? Are people showing their papieren in den autobahnen?
There's a difference ... Nutjob.
for charlatans like you, yes.
Well, it's obvious that you are a charlantan too.
Github has been 'compromised'...
That seems to be the sentiment of quite a few people
You are rambling =)
who put their code there... Nutjob.
There's an "orchestrasted institutional slander campaign", by people who have a bone to pick with ioerror,
Oh. People. And who are these people? =) What do they do for a living? =) What are their political views? =) Are you talking about your friends from the tor 'project' inc. ?
and it doesn't seem to be the 'bone' that allegedly got rammed up their allegedly unwilling asses or else there's be a police report from ONE OF THEM by now, and for your information, NUTJOB, I have no friends that came from ANYTHING related to computers or the industry.
Come on rayzer. Since you are a high ranking, highly dishonest tor-bot, it's quite safe to assume that they are your friends. Or employeers. Or something like that...
I make acquaintances with Libertarian psychopaths (like you nutjob), I don't befriend them.
lol! I think the psychos are your friends...and family. Didn't you mention your dad was a psycho from the US military? =)
ArAr
On 07/14/2016 11:16 PM, Rayzer wrote: [ Ker-SNIP! ]
There's an "orchestrasted institutional slander campaign", by people who have a bone to pick with ioerror, and it doesn't seem to be the 'bone' that allegedly got rammed up their allegedly unwilling asses or else there's be a police report from ONE OF THEM by now, and for your information, NUTJOB, I have no friends that came from ANYTHING related to computers or the industry. I make acquaintances with Libertarian psychopaths (like you nutjob), I don't befriend them.
ArAr
I have myself been declared a motherfucker by Juan's executive fiat, though not if I recall correctly a Statist Pig. Perhaps this post will rectify that deficiency. Only time will tell. Not everyone seems to be in agreement about how horrible ioerror is. His defenders include at least one individual who isn't afraid of disclosing information that she knows sounds "paranoid," in the process of disclosing her take on Jake. https://contraspin.co.nz/tag/jacob-appelbaum/ https://suzi3d.com/ The absence of any legal proceedings, criminal or civil, seems rather a big data point. Lots of people are willing to throw stones, nobody is willing to face a potential perjury charge or countersuit. Maybe nobody was actually harmed, beyond hurt feelings. Any male geek person with Our Mr. Applebaum's "celebrity" status who is also (in my heteronormative radical queer opinion) good looking, is very likely to avail himself of the sexual perquisites of social prestige. If that is the case with Our Mr. Applebaum, it would inevitably result in at least /some/ hurt feelings, even if he was a perfect fucking knight in shining armor - which he probably ain't, because who is? Pardon my macroaggression, but there is a very current Identity Politics fad for cutting all Male Pigs down to size, and its fan base demographic intersects with the fan base of everything that even looks "radical and culturally cutting edge" to a fuzzy studies major, including the TOR Project. In this social matrix, acts of simple careless idiocy, devoid of malice and producing no real harm, could lead to all of the charges we have seen. If you are of a paranoid bent, ask whether a political warfare operation could produce the exact results seen in Our Mr. Applebaum's recent history. Seeking out unsatisfied customers of Brand Jake who are associated with evangelists for Feminazi fashion would be a snap: Thanks to ubiquitous surveillance with automated social network mapping and psychographic classification, finding people matching the desired profile and history would only require a work order. Develop one agent - witting or not - and the rest handles itself. (If, and please pardon the expression, Our Mr. Applebaum has exposed himself in any way.) Of course, this kind of thing is unheard of. Unless the name Mendax means anything to you. It is possible that Our Mr. Applebaum is a raging asshole who routinely mistreats women in serious ways. But if so, the lack of any criminal charges or civil action is surprising. It is possible that he is a victim of spontaneous combustion comparable to the Mean Girls on the cheerleading squad getting some amusing revenge, motivated by nothing more serious than some naive sap's socially awkward behavior. That model fits the available evidence better than the criminal model. It is highly probable that IF a political warfare activity was asked to arrange this party for Our Mr. Applebaum, they could quote a very reasonable price and deliver the goods on time. The beauty part: By itself this observation proves nothing, as it is difficult or impossible to prove absent a credible inside source. That's the beauty part of the institution of State Secrecy.
On Jul 15, 2016, at 2:27 AM, Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
On 07/14/2016 11:16 PM, Rayzer wrote:
[ Ker-SNIP! ]
There's an "orchestrasted institutional slander campaign", by people who have a bone to pick with ioerror, and it doesn't seem to be the 'bone' that allegedly got rammed up their allegedly unwilling asses or else there's be a police report from ONE OF THEM by now, and for your information, NUTJOB, I have no friends that came from ANYTHING related to computers or the industry. I make acquaintances with Libertarian psychopaths (like you nutjob), I don't befriend them.
ArAr
I have myself been declared a motherfucker by Juan's executive fiat, though not if I recall correctly a Statist Pig. Perhaps this post will rectify that deficiency. Only time will tell.
Not everyone seems to be in agreement about how horrible ioerror is. His defenders include at least one individual who isn't afraid of disclosing information that she knows sounds "paranoid," in the process of disclosing her take on Jake.
https://contraspin.co.nz/tag/jacob-appelbaum/
The absence of any legal proceedings, criminal or civil, seems rather a big data point. Lots of people are willing to throw stones, nobody is willing to face a potential perjury charge or countersuit. Maybe nobody was actually harmed, beyond hurt feelings.
Any male geek person with Our Mr. Applebaum's "celebrity" status who is also (in my heteronormative radical queer opinion) good looking, is very likely to avail himself of the sexual perquisites of social prestige. If that is the case with Our Mr. Applebaum, it would inevitably result in at least /some/ hurt feelings, even if he was a perfect fucking knight in shining armor - which he probably ain't, because who is?
Pardon my macroaggression, but there is a very current Identity Politics fad for cutting all Male Pigs down to size, and its fan base demographic intersects with the fan base of everything that even looks "radical and culturally cutting edge" to a fuzzy studies major, including the TOR Project. In this social matrix, acts of simple careless idiocy, devoid of malice and producing no real harm, could lead to all of the charges we have seen.
If you are of a paranoid bent, ask whether a political warfare operation could produce the exact results seen in Our Mr. Applebaum's recent history. Seeking out unsatisfied customers of Brand Jake who are associated with evangelists for Feminazi fashion would be a snap: Thanks to ubiquitous surveillance with automated social network mapping and psychographic classification, finding people matching the desired profile and history would only require a work order. Develop one agent - witting or not - and the rest handles itself. (If, and please pardon the expression, Our Mr. Applebaum has exposed himself in any way.)
Of course, this kind of thing is unheard of. Unless the name Mendax means anything to you.
It is possible that Our Mr. Applebaum is a raging asshole who routinely mistreats women in serious ways. But if so, the lack of any criminal charges or civil action is surprising.
It is possible that he is a victim of spontaneous combustion comparable to the Mean Girls on the cheerleading squad getting some amusing revenge, motivated by nothing more serious than some naive sap's socially awkward behavior. That model fits the available evidence better than the criminal model.
It is highly probable that IF a political warfare activity was asked to arrange this party for Our Mr. Applebaum, they could quote a very reasonable price and deliver the goods on time. The beauty part: By itself this observation proves nothing, as it is difficult or impossible to prove absent a credible inside source. That's the beauty part of the institution of State Secrecy.
Wtf is or was so important about Appelbaum that would lead to any kind of massive conspiratorial smear campaign? Who gains from taking him down? He may talk about him a lot, but he's not Julian Assange. Maybe he was just a douche bag with a few people too many and they threw up some exaggerated reports to get him chucked. In any event, he doesn't seem to be fighting back particularly hard. John
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 06:09:37AM -0400, John Newman wrote: ... mucho snippo ...
It is highly probable that IF a political warfare activity was asked to arrange this party for Our Mr. Applebaum, they could quote a very reasonable price and deliver the goods on time. The beauty part: By itself this observation proves nothing, as it is difficult or impossible to prove absent a credible inside source. That's the beauty part of the institution of State Secrecy.
Wtf is or was so important about Appelbaum that would lead to any kind of massive conspiratorial smear campaign? Who gains from taking him down? He may talk about him a lot, but he's not Julian Assange.
From inside the Ecuadorian embassy, Julian --continues-- to publish
There is a phrase, and you can pretend I said this immortal quote but it would not be the case that I originated it: "One man can change the world." A man who stands on principle can be many things which can change a particular "world" (if not the world at large): - the canary in the mine whistleblower, e.g. "keeping the TOR bastards honest" and thus causing a lot of angst for those who wanted to use Tor for their state-sponsored human-subversive intentions - the sole individual who facilitates/ is the conduit for key transmissions of whistleblowers and their information, to a publisher who has infrastructure to publish bypassing national "intelligence networks" - e.g. to connect a Chelsie Manning to a Julian Assange. Remember - there was (perhaps still is, we don't know because it's so top secretive) a grand jury out to hang draw and quarter Julian Assange, an Australian - I think Australia has an extradition treaty with USA, we certainly host Pine Gap which is a global hub for the USA/ five eyes. HUGE resources have been put into this case against Julian - plane flights - enrollement of foreign so-called "sovereign" governments such as UK, Sweden, Australia - subversion of the Swedish justice department - unilaterally grounding the aeroplane of the president of Ecuador - and probably plenty more behind the scenes which we are not aware of publicly. THIS IS F@#$ING HUGE!!! The USA/CIA/FBI/NorthAmerican Government wants Julian Assange really, really badly! things which embarrass the North American establishment oligarchs - Hitlery emails, banking scandals, war files and plenty more. Wikileaks (with all its problems which around these parts some are aware of) is a MASSIVE thorn in the side of the Empire of the North American and Atlantic Regime. Jacob Applebaum was a key figure facilitating the conduit of leakers to Assange, and, apparently, certainly quite possibly, keeping the bastards honest at Tor Inc, which was supposed to be an American Military and CIA operation - and here was this pipsqueak Jacob taking the "published principles of an intention (however weakly implemented) toward aiding public anonymity of transmission of information", literally! Jacob Applebaum took that fucking intention fucking literally! The fucking hide of him!!! How DARE anyone take principled intentions literally, ESPECIALLY when the neoc9nt American establishment is paying for it. FFS, Wake UP!
Maybe he was just a douche bag with a few people too many and they threw up some exaggerated reports to get him chucked.
Well that certainly demonstrates the principled actions of a principled North American Incorporation spreading the principles of Democracy, Transparency, Liberty of information, and the Rule of Law, now doesn't it?
In any event, he doesn't seem to be fighting back particularly hard.
Read his words. Read his interviews. He was being actively stalked and monitored by The Powers That Be, and he became aware of this, realised he needed to do more of the op-sec he was teaching whistleblowers how to do, his op sec was far above what most of us ever approach. Jacob was not able to live a "normal" life. Perhaps he was grateful for the opportunity to bow out? IDK, just postulating of course, but hell, if he really was the only man truly standing in the gaggle of self interested, intensely feminazi and pro CIA agents employees of Tor Inc, for that many years, I imagine he'd "fucking had enough". Perhaps few men could stand as long as he did in his situation... most are armchair anarchists, armchair Mannings, armchair Assanges, waving our arms at "What a fucking bad job they're doing, I could do it SO much better".
On 2016-07-15 08:16, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
There is a phrase, and you can pretend I said this immortal quote but it would not be the case that I originated it:
"One man can change the world."
A man who stands on principle can be many things which can change a particular "world" (if not the world at large):
- the canary in the mine whistleblower, e.g. "keeping the TOR bastards honest" and thus causing a lot of angst for those who wanted to use Tor for their state-sponsored human-subversive intentions
- the sole individual who facilitates/ is the conduit for key transmissions of whistleblowers and their information, to a publisher who has infrastructure to publish bypassing national "intelligence networks" - e.g. to connect a Chelsie Manning to a Julian Assange.
Remember - there was (perhaps still is, we don't know because it's so top secretive) a grand jury out to hang draw and quarter Julian Assange, an Australian - I think Australia has an extradition treaty with USA, we certainly host Pine Gap which is a global hub for the USA/ five eyes.
HUGE resources have been put into this case against Julian - plane flights
- enrollement of foreign so-called "sovereign" governments such as UK, Sweden, Australia
- subversion of the Swedish justice department
- unilaterally grounding the aeroplane of the president of Ecuador
- and probably plenty more behind the scenes which we are not aware of publicly.
THIS IS F@#$ING HUGE!!!
The USA/CIA/FBI/NorthAmerican Government wants Julian Assange really, really badly!
From inside the Ecuadorian embassy, Julian --continues-- to publish things which embarrass the North American establishment oligarchs - Hitlery emails, banking scandals, war files and plenty more.
Wikileaks (with all its problems which around these parts some are aware of) is a MASSIVE thorn in the side of the Empire of the North American and Atlantic Regime.
I absolutely agree with everything you've said about Assange, and fully think his interment in Ecuador (the embassy) stems from the massive embarrassment he caused and continues to cause to governments, corporations, etc.
Jacob Applebaum was a key figure facilitating the conduit of leakers to Assange, and, apparently, certainly quite possibly, keeping the bastards honest at Tor Inc, which was supposed to be an American Military and CIA operation - and here was this pipsqueak Jacob taking the "published principles of an intention (however weakly implemented) toward aiding public anonymity of transmission of information", literally!
Jacob Applebaum took that fucking intention fucking literally!
The fucking hide of him!!!
I don't know enough about what Appelbaum ever did beyond some (IMO) over-hyped "art projects" and name-dropping Assange every 5 minutes in that internal tor IRC chat that was leaked. So, seeing I have a lack of knowledge here, I'll take you at your word at his importance.
Perhaps he was grateful for the opportunity to bow out? IDK, just postulating of course, but hell, if he really was the only man truly standing in the gaggle of self interested, intensely feminazi and pro CIA agents employees of Tor Inc, for that many years, I imagine he'd "fucking had enough". Perhaps few men could stand as long as he did in his situation... most are armchair anarchists, armchair Mannings, armchair Assanges, waving our arms at "What a fucking bad job they're doing, I could do it SO much better".
Perhaps you're right! :) -- John Newman
On 07/15/2016 08:42 AM, John Newman wrote:
On 2016-07-15 08:16, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
There is a phrase, and you can pretend I said this immortal quote but it would not be the case that I originated it:
"One man can change the world."
A man who stands on principle can be many things which can change a particular "world" (if not the world at large):
- the canary in the mine whistleblower, e.g. "keeping the TOR bastards honest" and thus causing a lot of angst for those who wanted to use Tor for their state-sponsored human-subversive intentions
- the sole individual who facilitates/ is the conduit for key transmissions of whistleblowers and their information, to a publisher who has infrastructure to publish bypassing national "intelligence networks" - e.g. to connect a Chelsie Manning to a Julian Assange.
Remember - there was (perhaps still is, we don't know because it's so top secretive) a grand jury out to hang draw and quarter Julian Assange, an Australian - I think Australia has an extradition treaty with USA, we certainly host Pine Gap which is a global hub for the USA/ five eyes.
HUGE resources have been put into this case against Julian - plane flights
- enrollement of foreign so-called "sovereign" governments such as UK, Sweden, Australia
- subversion of the Swedish justice department
- unilaterally grounding the aeroplane of the president of Ecuador
- and probably plenty more behind the scenes which we are not aware of publicly.
THIS IS F@#$ING HUGE!!!
The USA/CIA/FBI/NorthAmerican Government wants Julian Assange really, really badly!
From inside the Ecuadorian embassy, Julian --continues-- to publish things which embarrass the North American establishment oligarchs - Hitlery emails, banking scandals, war files and plenty more.
Wikileaks (with all its problems which around these parts some are aware of) is a MASSIVE thorn in the side of the Empire of the North American and Atlantic Regime.
I absolutely agree with everything you've said about Assange, and fully think his interment in Ecuador (the embassy) stems from the massive embarrassment he caused and continues to cause to governments, corporations, etc.
Jacob Applebaum was a key figure facilitating the conduit of leakers to Assange, and, apparently, certainly quite possibly, keeping the bastards honest at Tor Inc, which was supposed to be an American Military and CIA operation - and here was this pipsqueak Jacob taking the "published principles of an intention (however weakly implemented) toward aiding public anonymity of transmission of information", literally!
Jacob Applebaum took that fucking intention fucking literally!
The fucking hide of him!!!
I don't know enough about what Appelbaum ever did beyond some (IMO) over-hyped "art projects" and name-dropping Assange every 5 minutes in that internal tor IRC chat that was leaked. So, seeing I have a lack of knowledge here, I'll take you at your word at his importance.
Perhaps he was grateful for the opportunity to bow out? IDK, just postulating of course, but hell, if he really was the only man truly standing in the gaggle of self interested, intensely feminazi and pro CIA agents employees of Tor Inc, for that many years, I imagine he'd "fucking had enough". Perhaps few men could stand as long as he did in his situation... most are armchair anarchists, armchair Mannings, armchair Assanges, waving our arms at "What a fucking bad job they're doing, I could do it SO much better".
Perhaps you're right! :)
As a former labor organizer i know that when you are under a microscope every personal fault you have will be used against you. If you are a minute late you will be legally fired. If you take too lake a break you will be canned. If you are a political organizer it will be your personal faults that will be used against you - your excessed with booze or drugs or inability to control impulses or in this case apparent intoxication with power in relationships. I very much enjoyed Jakes presentations but i can see how rock star status can be too much for some. It's important to stay sober when you are under the gun. --- Marina
Zen, thank you very much for your great insights: Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net>:
!!! Jacob Applebaum took that fucking intention fucking literally! The fucking hide of him!!! How DARE anyone take principled intentions literally, ESPECIALLY when the neoc9nt American establishment is paying for it. FFS, Wake UP!
___ !!! if he really was the only man truly
standing in the gaggle of self interested, intensely feminazi and pro CIA agents employees of Tor Inc, for that many years, I imagine he'd "fucking had enough".
___ !!! unless one becomes successful at actually changing some part of the
empire, then he'd become a rapist with public "witnesses" telling their story.
On 07/15/2016 03:09 AM, John Newman wrote:
Wtf is or was so important about Appelbaum that would lead to any kind of massive conspiratorial smear campaign? Who gains from taking him down?
He's close to Glenn Greeenwald. Therefore "Snowden". I suspect Greenwald IS the long-range target of an op like this being out LGBT and all, and the attack on ioerror was a 'shot across the bow'. https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/193327464733343746
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 07/15/2016 06:09 AM, John Newman wrote:
On Jul 15, 2016, at 2:27 AM, Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
It is possible that Our Mr. Applebaum is a raging asshole who routinely mistreats women in serious ways. But if so, the lack of any criminal charges or civil action is surprising.
It is possible that he is a victim of spontaneous combustion comparable to the Mean Girls on the cheerleading squad getting some amusing revenge, motivated by nothing more serious than some naive sap's socially awkward behavior. That model fits the available evidence better than the criminal model.
It is highly probable that IF a political warfare activity was asked to arrange this party for Our Mr. Applebaum, they could quote a very reasonable price and deliver the goods on time. The beauty part: By itself this observation proves nothing, as it is difficult or impossible to prove absent a credible inside source. That's the beauty part of the institution of State Secrecy.
Wtf is or was so important about Appelbaum that would lead to any kind of massive conspiratorial smear campaign? Who gains from taking him down? He may talk about him a lot, but he's not Julian Assange.
I don't know. He may have done as little as personally offended someone with the power to order his disposal. It does seem a bit much to call a conspiratorial operation at this scale "massive" in the world where the 911 attack happened, and U.S. propaganda assets continue to sell false narratives of /many/ violent events to the public. The stunning success of efforts to manage Western press coverage of the annexation of Libya on Secretary Clinton's watch is more frightening to me than the whole history of the Bush/Obama Administration's nuclear brinksmanship vs. the Russian Federation, still in progress and apparently locked in for eight more years.
Maybe he was just a douche bag with a few people too many and they threw up some exaggerated reports to get him chucked.
To me that seems the most likely answer. "Douchebag" is in the eye of the beholder, and it doesn't take much to trigger disproportionate retaliation in a hostile workplace environment.
In any event, he doesn't seem to be fighting back particularly hard.
Lao Tzu has a lot to say about the strategic value of calculated non-action. Attorneys generally advise world + dog to wait for the opposition to disclose everything it has before doing anything other than assert the right to remain silent. :o/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXiSe7AAoJEECU6c5Xzmuq0tAH/2hcKDlsKjKUJtXOBWR0Dhjf B1W8AlgAT3xPoSpVY0Wwy2OdBSTXmF24WQgzeRkhN0UmoPISGgQQMLUYIHK0KOSE fuRuMLIgns01Zqa3qaAyoyFjgtNhh4L3a3oTU0lglo2u6Ub7ZYXBO2jP19dJFR1N iCJj8YSw2XyZwzfOTlCeAccq5JbY+TR4AzAPeNmj1x4vKf0A9Xp6ztuuknO33GLk qi5YYDwEbDQ/sDrUQzUFlytXcRTqFnfjRmEnkVSh+fgA08FdDynAr4nTZfFMzWqS bRkVxt43udOS3+D6onquUpDPCBS2EDQdciEvO7brj0B9H5YP0Se89Vz9V83NVpM= =a62V -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 7/15/16, John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> wrote:
Wtf is or was so important about Appelbaum that would lead to any kind of massive conspiratorial smear campaign? Who gains from taking him down?
On both... Are you fucking kidding me? Even before Snowden censored himself and Assange got locked down... He's one of the outspoken few that was still out traveling around the world bringing knowledge of Tor / privacy / human rights / surveillance etc the whole scope... with zero fear and a solid compelling presentation based on personal conviction and experience. Others at Tor mostly stayed to the conference rooms, he was transcending personal rooms even before joining Tor... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaW1ge-tTVo Here he is talking on the subject with a roomful of Muslims in Quwait... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTcpVBqy9Dc And you want to know who wants to take him down, and how? Get real. Get fucking real. Don't expect the new Tor board to support similar work in the future even if someone doing it fell into their lap. It's too hot topic, and they'll be too busy playing politik and law with their US Government now anyway. Historical narratives indeed... https://youtube.com/watch?v=L6O6sM2Shok&t=293
I agree with everything said here. Jacob Appelbaum wears counterculture on his sleeve. ... Some thing I remember most developers did WAY back when personal computing first got off the ground. Wozniak, Jobs and the rest would get shit-faced out at the Albatross on Portola while Moby Grape played. The Chateu up on the summit and Zayante Club were basically weekend retreats for coders to get away, smoke a bunch of Killer Local Bud, and decompress before going back to their breadboards and eye-destroying green-black dot-matrix montiors. The cops used to pick up bleary-eyed tie-dye shirt wearing local coders wandering the streets of Santa Cruz early in the morning thinking they were 'woods hippies' to be harassed. Now it's about money power and ego. Those rubes compromise easily. They 'drop trou', as the brits say. But the ones who are in 'for the love of it' .... You have to dig dirt. Rr On 07/16/2016 04:50 AM, grarpamp wrote:
On 7/15/16, John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> wrote:
Wtf is or was so important about Appelbaum that would lead to any kind of massive conspiratorial smear campaign? Who gains from taking him down? On both... Are you fucking kidding me?
Even before Snowden censored himself and Assange got locked down... He's one of the outspoken few that was still out traveling around the world bringing knowledge of Tor / privacy / human rights / surveillance etc the whole scope... with zero fear and a solid compelling presentation based on personal conviction and experience. Others at Tor mostly stayed to the conference rooms, he was transcending personal rooms even before joining Tor...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaW1ge-tTVo
Here he is talking on the subject with a roomful of Muslims in Quwait... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTcpVBqy9Dc
And you want to know who wants to take him down, and how? Get real. Get fucking real.
Don't expect the new Tor board to support similar work in the future even if someone doing it fell into their lap. It's too hot topic, and they'll be too busy playing politik and law with their US Government now anyway.
Historical narratives indeed... https://youtube.com/watch?v=L6O6sM2Shok&t=293
On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 07:50:53 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/15/16, John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> wrote:
Wtf is or was so important about Appelbaum that would lead to any kind of massive conspiratorial smear campaign? Who gains from taking him down?
On both... Are you fucking kidding me?
The question is quite reasonable, and you don't have a reasonable answer. Appelbaum is pretty much a secondary character at best.
Even before Snowden censored himself and Assange got locked down... He's one of the outspoken few that was still out traveling around the world bringing knowledge of Tor
Well, of course. He's a despicable 'ex' pentagon employee. Unlike you grarpamp who probably are not 'ex'.
/ privacy / human rights / surveillance etc the whole scope... with zero fear and a solid compelling presentation based on personal conviction and experience. Others at Tor mostly stayed to the conference rooms, he was transcending personal rooms even before joining Tor...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaW1ge-tTVo
Here he is talking on the subject with a roomful of Muslims in Quwait... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTcpVBqy9Dc
And you want to know who wants to take him down, and how? Get real. Get fucking real.
You get fucking real. Appelbaum is a self-serving fraud.
Don't expect the new Tor board to support similar work in the future even if someone doing it fell into their lap. It's too hot topic, and they'll be too busy playing politik and law with their US Government now anyway.
Historical narratives indeed... https://youtube.com/watch?v=L6O6sM2Shok&t=293
On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 04:32:27PM -0300, juan wrote:
You get fucking real. Appelbaum is a self-serving fraud.
The jury's out, but the jury is always out - who knows what the future will bring, who know's what "evidence of wrongdoing" or for that matter what further "evidence of right doing" will be presented in respect of Applebaum in the future. I watched those talks by Applebaum that grarpamp posted, and I have a new appreciation for who Applebaum is, at least a small view of part of his life journey. And frankly, I like what I see. Combining this with the way he was thrown under the bus by the rest of the Tor Inc (some now ex) employees, paints a compelling picture for me that Applebaum was a hard pill for the rest of Tor Inc to swallow - and I mean that in a "very good for the rest of us" way. The balance in my high mount everest opinion, from what little I've read and seen so far, shows Applebaum in a light which is a very good light. A man of empathy, a man who's not had an easy personal journey in life, a man who made some tough and adventurous decisions in ways which I (for what little it's worth) personally approve of. Thank you Jacob Applebaum. (PS grarpamp, thanks for those links by the way, really appreciated.)
On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 11:58:10 +1000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
I watched those talks by Applebaum that grarpamp posted, and I have a new appreciation for who Applebaum is, at least a small view of part of his life journey. And frankly, I like what I see. Combining this with the way he was thrown under the bus by the rest of the Tor Inc (some now ex) employees, paints a compelling picture for me that Applebaum was a hard pill for the rest of Tor Inc to swallow - and I mean that in a "very good for the rest of us" way.
What I see is a guy who 'earned' something like 100K per year (WTF!!!) - money paid by the pentagon, while pretending to be a 'lefty' 'anarchist'. AND, he got 100K per year from the pentagon to promote the pentagon's fake anonimity network. In my book that is pretty bad. And I don't think he's done any pretty good things to at least offset all that bad, let alone ending up with a positive balance. Perhaps he wasn't as bad as other members of the tor 'project' but that's not exactly a high standard. Not to mention he *was* a full member of the tor establishment until a month ago. Sorry.
The balance in my high mount everest opinion, from what little I've read and seen so far, shows Applebaum in a light which is a very good light. A man of empathy, a man who's not had an easy personal journey in life, a man who made some tough and adventurous decisions in ways which I (for what little it's worth) personally approve of.
Thank you Jacob Applebaum.
(PS grarpamp, thanks for those links by the way, really appreciated.)
On 7/16/16, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
So we have various countries banning end to end encryption - Russia, possibly China?, now the UK ...what is stopping America from doing so?
Apparently this guy. https://www.schneierfacts.com/ https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=bruce+schneier+chuck+norris https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ui3tLbzIgQ Time will tell what come of bans.
On 07/16/2016 11:35 PM, grarpamp wrote:
On 7/16/16, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
So we have various countries banning end to end encryption - Russia, possibly China?, now the UK ...what is stopping America from doing so? Apparently this guy.
https://www.schneierfacts.com/ https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=bruce+schneier+chuck+norris https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ui3tLbzIgQ
Time will tell what come of bans.
Apparently this guy: https://johnleach.co.uk/ = schneierfacts.com/ I wonder how badly his Brightbox Cloud is compromised. He can't even run a decent slander blog. Rr
On Jul 16, 2016, at 7:50 AM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/15/16, John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> wrote:
Wtf is or was so important about Appelbaum that would lead to any kind of massive conspiratorial smear campaign? Who gains from taking him down?
On both... Are you fucking kidding me?
Even before Snowden censored himself and Assange got locked down... He's one of the outspoken few that was still out traveling around the world bringing knowledge of Tor / privacy / human rights / surveillance etc the whole scope... with zero fear and a solid compelling presentation based on personal conviction and experience. Others at Tor mostly stayed to the conference rooms, he was transcending personal rooms even before joining Tor...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaW1ge-tTVo
Here he is talking on the subject with a roomful of Muslims in Quwait... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTcpVBqy9Dc
Right on. I obviously didn’t keep abreast of all the important Applebaum-works (I don’t watch a whole lot of youtube videos, I prefer reading). I run a little tor relay, lurk on a couple of tor lists, am constantly hacking my fork of roundcube to work better with GPG, etc… but basically I've always had more of an interest in the technical details. So apparently I missed some important shit. As I already said to Zen - thanks for filling me in :P P.S. All sarcasm/snide bullshit aside - do you really think Applebaum is of the same level of importance to the things you mention - privacy / human rights / surveillance state, etc, as Julian Assange or Ed Snowden? Snowden may have clammed up but he got a lot of good shit out there. Likewise they have tried to clam Assange up but he keeps on pumping shit out. — john
On 07/17/2016 11:38 AM, John Newman wrote: do you really think Applebaum is of the same level of importance to the things you mention - privacy / human rights / surveillance state, etc, as Julian Assange or Ed Snowden? It's just teh "MAN'S" way of saying "hi... We're gonna fuck over all your acquaintances." Remember what Chris Dorner did to the LAPD that scared the living shit out of them? He went after the cops' family and friends. It's classic counterinsurgency tactic he learned from the kind of people who want to kill Snowden and Assange. It's NOT limited to high profile people either. I knew a woman a junkie hooker, who was murdered so the feds could spook her memorial service to see if her weatherman fugitive boyfriend would turn up. Like that... Rr
On Jul 16, 2016, at 7:50 AM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/15/16, John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> wrote:
Wtf is or was so important about Appelbaum that would lead to any kind of massive conspiratorial smear campaign? Who gains from taking him down? On both... Are you fucking kidding me?
Even before Snowden censored himself and Assange got locked down... He's one of the outspoken few that was still out traveling around the world bringing knowledge of Tor / privacy / human rights / surveillance etc the whole scope... with zero fear and a solid compelling presentation based on personal conviction and experience. Others at Tor mostly stayed to the conference rooms, he was transcending personal rooms even before joining Tor...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaW1ge-tTVo
Here he is talking on the subject with a roomful of Muslims in Quwait... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTcpVBqy9Dc
Right on. I obviously didn’t keep abreast of all the important Applebaum-works (I don’t watch a whole lot of youtube videos, I prefer reading). I run a little tor relay, lurk on a couple of tor lists, am constantly hacking my fork of roundcube to work better with GPG, etc… but basically I've always had more of an interest in the technical details. So apparently I missed some important shit.
As I already said to Zen - thanks for filling me in :P
P.S. All sarcasm/snide bullshit aside - do you really think Applebaum is of the same level of importance to the things you mention - privacy / human rights / surveillance state, etc, as Julian Assange or Ed Snowden? Snowden may have clammed up but he got a lot of good shit out there. Likewise they have tried to clam Assange up but he keeps on pumping shit out.
— john
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 02:27:24AM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:
The absence of any legal proceedings, criminal or civil, seems rather a big data point. Lots of people are willing to throw stones, nobody is willing to face a potential perjury charge or countersuit. Maybe nobody was actually harmed, beyond hurt feelings.
I don't know what the truth is. Just to play devil's advocate, lack of proceedings might mean out of court deal (I don't believe this is the case).
Any male geek person with Our Mr. Applebaum's "celebrity" status who is also (in my heteronormative radical queer opinion) good looking, is very likely to avail himself of the sexual perquisites of social prestige.
Well, feds/nsa are known to use ladies to seduce people and then blackmail them (probably this is since ancient times). Isn't this very close to Assange's charges in Sweden? They look quite made up to me. Are most activists rapists? This appears highly unlikely to me. According to The Guardian, Applebaum was accused of "emotional abuse". WTF is "emotional abuse"? Calling a bitch "bitch"? @juan will get death sentence for "emotional abuse" just from this list, I suspect.
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 02:33:26PM +0300, Georgi Guninski wrote:
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 02:27:24AM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:
The absence of any legal proceedings, criminal or civil, seems rather a big data point. Lots of people are willing to throw stones, nobody is willing to face a potential perjury charge or countersuit. Maybe nobody was actually harmed, beyond hurt feelings.
I don't know what the truth is. Just to play devil's advocate, lack of proceedings might mean out of court deal (I don't believe this is the case).
Any male geek person with Our Mr. Applebaum's "celebrity" status who is also (in my heteronormative radical queer opinion) good looking, is very likely to avail himself of the sexual perquisites of social prestige.
Well, feds/nsa are known to use ladies to seduce people and then blackmail them (probably this is since ancient times).
Isn't this very close to Assange's charges in Sweden? They look quite made up to me.
Are most activists rapists? This appears highly unlikely to me.
No, only the most successful ones.
According to The Guardian, Applebaum was accused of "emotional abuse".
WTF is "emotional abuse"? Calling a bitch "bitch"? @juan will get death sentence for "emotional abuse" just from this list, I suspect.
Probably not a death sentence (although I think that's what they want for Assange), more likely nothing, unless he becomes successful at actually changing some part of the empire, then he'd become a rapist with public "witnesses" telling their story. Evidently Sweden's upper eschelongs/ oligarchs are held by North America regime 'by the balls' - look at the public statements since the "events", the statements of the two lasses who were supposedly raped by Assange. The message is more important to the empire than the punishment - Julian is holed up until at least 2020 from what we can tell, Manning doing life in prison, Snowden exiled for god knows how long and because he cut a deal with the devil (the Guardian) rather than go through Jake Applebaum to Assange and wikileaks, his exile seems to be for little to nothing in the way of actual facts. Snowden: have you learnt your lesson on this? Or are you compromised and therefore unable to admit you made a huge mistake on this one? Or are those who helped you flee North America wanting to save their asses, given their choice to help you as far as they considered that they could get away with helping you (given your personal choices) and so this is why your "leaks" are all filtered through the Western MSM and basically the facts themselves/ anything of real substance is now buried for decades? Snowden, do you deny there is a major problem in the particular process you chose/ choices you made, in this regard?
On 07/15/2016 11:36 AM, juan wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 14:33:26 +0300 Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com> wrote:
WTF is "emotional abuse"? Calling a bitch "bitch"? @juan will get death sentence for "emotional abuse" just from this list, I suspect. Exactly right =)
It's "Informational Abuse". Juan's fishing for information about people and their personalities for the feds. As can be seen with the FBI's ongoing sting ops of Muslims, they tend to tap people who are mentally defective to assist them. Rr
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:57:04 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
It's "Informational Abuse". Juan's fishing for information about people and their personalities for the feds.
Now that's an entertaining conspiracy theory =)
As can be seen with the FBI's ongoing sting ops of Muslims, they tend to tap people who are mentally defective to assist them.
Rr
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:57:04 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
It's "Informational Abuse". Juan's fishing for information about people and their personalities for the feds.
Now that's an entertaining conspiracy theory =)
Kind of a pointless one, though: We can reasonably presume that posting here results in enhanced surveillance and analysis of everything one does on any network accessible to our Security Services, which would include... all networks of every kind. Just testing the threshold of irrational response to insults would add very little to the resulting profiles. :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXiWNmAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqKVUH/3hHbF/3vPcaDatMMMqNSEQ2 b4zgrVMIlGh9FjXlTXRLVY1lkLVhdKB3IF1qvIPeYrKjdPFTSBYMYMweFXyC6Vj4 4f/Oz+b8tdDcBR0cp3h5TUlTldZu6/C3S+PpEPS3XFh+MTmx05Ty3fPLg+fvUvXX yAuXpHp7+F0fVhuW9DOHmWO/ZLAZqbNOZ8eYKjQ5XfcGMI/DNew/S5QYM5adpRo9 4Nx3FB+ZM9N1SZo0tZM+tKhAuDpX2Q0Va1T2eMtCQcaHfCsmYz9wcepBfbKJmYsH ETJ8P2x9AZqemI0rpyz6Jtpco+vNdqEwFjW6v7MvYRc7e2IPkzHlVKSEcT6vPqA= =gIvj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 7/15/16, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:57:04 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
It's "Informational Abuse". Juan's fishing for information about people and their personalities for the feds.
Now that's an entertaining conspiracy theory =)
It's been said that within every conspiracy theory lies an element of truth ;-)
On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 06:14:07AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
On 7/15/16, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:57:04 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
It's "Informational Abuse". Juan's fishing for information about people and their personalities for the feds.
Now that's an entertaining conspiracy theory =)
It's been said that within every conspiracy theory lies an element of truth ;-)
Agreed. Here is another conspiracy theory: both rayzer and juan are puppet accounts of a single actor, other than god [1]. [1] Dear juan, stay assured Jesus loves you. In case you don't get it, it doesn't matter if you believe that gravity works or not. Not sure if Stallman likes scumbags like you.
On 07/16/2016 04:32 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 06:14:07AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:57:04 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
It's "Informational Abuse". Juan's fishing for information about people and their personalities for the feds. Now that's an entertaining conspiracy theory =) It's been said that within every conspiracy theory
On 7/15/16, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote: lies an element of truth ;-) Agreed.
Here is another conspiracy theory: both rayzer and juan are puppet accounts of a single actor, other than god [1].
That's why I sign my posts. Further, my handle appears all over the intertubz at various venues for at least a decade now and covers topics that Juan has no expertise whatsoever in, nor interest. Rr
[1] Dear juan, stay assured Jesus loves you. In case you don't get it, it doesn't matter if you believe that gravity works or not. Not sure if Stallman likes scumbags like you.
On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 08:41:50AM -0700, Rayzer wrote:
On 07/16/2016 04:32 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 06:14:07AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:57:04 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
It's "Informational Abuse". Juan's fishing for information about people and their personalities for the feds. Now that's an entertaining conspiracy theory =) It's been said that within every conspiracy theory
On 7/15/16, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote: lies an element of truth ;-) Agreed.
Here is another conspiracy theory: both rayzer and juan are puppet accounts of a single actor, other than god [1].
That's why I sign my posts.
Further, my handle appears all over the intertubz at various venues for at least a decade now and covers topics that Juan has no expertise whatsoever in, nor interest.
<scratches chin> Hmmmm... yes, yes, God -would- be so devious now wouldn't he, come to think of it, and he's probably have no problem knowing your private key either... "God, omnipotently devious in his subversive trolling brilliance."
On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 14:32:44 +0300 Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com> wrote:
On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 06:14:07AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
On 7/15/16, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:57:04 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
It's "Informational Abuse". Juan's fishing for information about people and their personalities for the feds.
Now that's an entertaining conspiracy theory =)
It's been said that within every conspiracy theory lies an element of truth ;-)
Agreed.
Here is another conspiracy theory: both rayzer and juan are puppet accounts of a single actor, other than god [1].
[1] Dear juan, stay assured Jesus loves you. In case you don't get it, it doesn't matter if you believe that gravity works or not. Not sure if Stallman likes scumbags like you.
Are you drunk Georgi? I'm sure that a scumbag like stallman doesn't like me. Are you one of his puppets? Admitedly, I can hardly make head or tail of your message, except that you sound rather confused.
On 07/16/2016 03:14 AM, grarpamp wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:57:04 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
It's "Informational Abuse". Juan's fishing for information about people and their personalities for the feds. Now that's an entertaining conspiracy theory =) It's been said that within every conspiracy theory
On 7/15/16, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote: lies an element of truth ;-)
That's a statement based on my own empirical observation and internalized database about how social network disruptors operate. So... Conspiracy theory, or hypothesis? Rr
On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 06:14:07 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/15/16, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:57:04 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
It's "Informational Abuse". Juan's fishing for information about people and their personalities for the feds.
Now that's an entertaining conspiracy theory =)
It's been said that within every conspiracy theory lies an element of truth ;-)
So rayzer, I mean, grarpamp, what's the element of truth here? =) Since you are honest and transparent, you will tell us, right?
On 7/16/16, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
It's "Informational Abuse". Juan's fishing for information about people and their personalities for the feds.
Now that's an entertaining conspiracy theory =)
It's been said that within every conspiracy theory lies an element of truth ;-)
So rayzer, I mean, grarpamp, what's the element of truth here?
We spent $1k and produced this video just to countertroll you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4EEa0HAqzQ
On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 18:25:52 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/16/16, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
It's "Informational Abuse". Juan's fishing for information about people and their personalities for the feds.
Now that's an entertaining conspiracy theory =)
It's been said that within every conspiracy theory lies an element of truth ;-)
So rayzer, I mean, grarpamp, what's the element of truth here?
We spent $1k and produced this video just to countertroll you?
So grarpamp you couldn't name the 'element of truth' in your pal's conspiracy theory. You fail yet again. And yes, from the point of view of torbots like you and rayzer I am a 'troll'. But that says a lot more about you than me...
ah yes, they have some good stuff - too bad they are tor whores too (well, they also worked for russia today lol)
On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 22:08:23 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/16/16, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
So grarpamp you couldn't name the 'element of truth' in your pal's conspiracy theory.
You're wasting your time Juan.
Why? Well, I know you are a dishonest scumbag, true, but I think it's OK to drive the point home.
And welcome to another stint in the purgatory of my mail filter.
uh oh - I'll comment on your spam anyway, you know =)
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 11:57:04AM -0700, Rayzer wrote:
On 07/15/2016 11:36 AM, juan wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 14:33:26 +0300 Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com> wrote:
WTF is "emotional abuse"? Calling a bitch "bitch"? @juan will get death sentence for "emotional abuse" just from this list, I suspect. Exactly right =) It's "Informational Abuse". Juan's fishing for information about people and their personalities for the feds. As can be seen with the FBI's ongoing sting ops of Muslims, they tend to tap people who are mentally defective to assist them.
Ahhh, so Juan calling the employees of Tor Inc "kinks", wait, ah "runts", no no, "bunts" - what was it again? Anyway, so this is actually the FBI in North America, using Juan in South America, to "sting" Muslims. In Nice, France perhaps? That's quite theory...
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 02:27:24AM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:
The absence of any legal proceedings, criminal or civil, seems rather a big data point. Lots of people are willing to throw stones, nobody is willing to face a potential perjury charge or countersuit. Maybe nobody was actually harmed, beyond hurt feelings.
Any male geek person with Our Mr. Applebaum's "celebrity" status who is also (in my heteronormative radical queer opinion) good looking, is very likely to avail himself of the sexual perquisites of social prestige. If that is the case with Our Mr. Applebaum, it would inevitably result in at least /some/ hurt feelings, even if he was a perfect fucking knight in shining armor - which he probably ain't, because who is?
Pardon my macroaggression, but there is a very current Identity Politics fad for cutting all Male Pigs down to size, and its fan base demographic intersects with the fan base of everything that even looks "radical and culturally cutting edge" to a fuzzy studies major, including the TOR Project.
"fuzzy studies" :D Great phrase.
In this social matrix, acts of simple careless idiocy, devoid of malice and producing no real harm, could lead to all of the charges we have seen.
If you are of a paranoid bent, ask whether a political warfare operation could produce the exact results seen in Our Mr. Applebaum's recent history. Seeking out unsatisfied customers of Brand Jake who are associated with evangelists for Feminazi fashion would be a snap: Thanks to ubiquitous surveillance with automated social network mapping and psychographic classification, finding people matching the desired profile and history would only require a work order. Develop one agent - witting or not - and the rest handles itself. (If, and please pardon the expression, Our Mr. Applebaum has exposed himself in any way.)
Much-o ACK-o.
Of course, this kind of thing is unheard of. Unless the name Mendax means anything to you.
I take it you mean "unheard of" in the literal, rather than colloquial, sense.
It is possible that Our Mr. Applebaum is a raging asshole who routinely mistreats women in serious ways. But if so, the lack of any criminal charges or civil action is surprising.
It is possible that he is a victim of spontaneous combustion comparable to the Mean Girls on the cheerleading squad getting some amusing revenge, motivated by nothing more serious than some naive sap's socially awkward behavior. That model fits the available evidence better than the criminal model.
It is highly probable that IF a political warfare activity was asked to arrange this party for Our Mr. Applebaum, they could quote a very reasonable price and deliver the goods on time. The beauty part: By itself this observation proves nothing, as it is difficult or impossible to prove absent a credible inside source. That's the beauty part of the institution of State Secrecy.
Sadly, more ACKs. And the feminazi zealot types need only the merest of subtle nudges to launch off on righteous tirade journeys, "thinking" that they are "choosing" their pathway of vengeful action. Humans - not entirely unpredictable creatures.
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 02:27:24 -0400 Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
I have myself been declared a motherfucker by Juan's executive fiat,
You mean, because you repeat stupid nsa propaganda about tor?
though not if I recall correctly a Statist Pig.
Yeah, unlike rayzer you do make good libertarian points - sometimes.
Perhaps this post will rectify that deficiency. Only time will tell.
Let's see...
The absence of any legal proceedings, criminal or civil, seems rather a big data point.
Ah, so, you are a statist pig after all =) Why don't you cut the crap Steve and pick the explanation where rayzer left it. To recap : rayzer explained nothing, so you can start right at the begining.
Pardon my macroaggression, but there is a very current Identity Politics fad for cutting all Male Pigs down to size,
Yeah, true, and irrelevant. The issue is, pay attention, How is it possible for the amazing, transparent, and 'freedom fighting' tor project to use all those dirty tricks against one of their most amazing transparent and freedom fighting members? If you don't understand what I am asking because of my obvious and admitedly mediocre command of the english language, ASK FOR CLARIFICATION. If you don't, and avoid the question like rayzer does, then I'll correctly conclude that you are just as dishonest as he is.
It is highly probable that IF a political warfare activity was asked to arrange this party for Our Mr. Applebaum, they could quote a very reasonable price and deliver the goods on time.
So it's just a matter of waiting for the next 'financial report' from tor inc. in order to learn how much the tor project paid to get rid of their accomplice appelbaum? The report will have an entry like "psyop against appelbaum.........$300,000*.........CIA" "*paid through syverson's cayman offshore account"
The beauty part: By itself this observation proves nothing, as it is difficult or impossible to prove absent a credible inside source. That's the beauty part of the institution of State Secrecy.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 07/15/2016 02:54 PM, juan wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 02:27:24 -0400 Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
The absence of any legal proceedings, criminal or civil, seems rather a big data point.
Ah, so, you are a statist pig after all =)
Why don't you cut the crap Steve and pick the explanation where rayzer left it. To recap : rayzer explained nothing, so you can start right at the begining.
I think I already did that?
Pardon my macroaggression, but there is a very current Identity Politics fad for cutting all Male Pigs down to size,
Yeah, true, and irrelevant.
Looking at the motives and means of people who have opportunities is usually very relevant in determining who did what and why. Of course, that might be inconvenient for anyone who comes in with a preconceived notion that explains it all.
The issue is, pay attention, How is it possible for the amazing, transparent, and 'freedom fighting' tor project to use all those dirty tricks against one of their most amazing transparent and freedom fighting members?
If you don't understand what I am asking because of my obvious and admitedly mediocre command of the english language, ASK FOR CLARIFICATION.
If you don't, and avoid the question like rayzer does, then I'll correctly conclude that you are just as dishonest as he is.
What I see here is an assumption that the TOR Project itself, or some element thereof, would be the actor behind any effort to kick Our Mr. Applebaum out of the project and "activist" communities in general, via a reputation attack. I would not rule that out, but I would include the whole alphabet soup of TLAs on the list of potential suspects. The TOR Drama includes multilateral conflict of interest between the State Department (funding TOR as a vector for transmitting State propaganda to foreign audiences), CIA (a love/hate relationship with TOR; helps some missions, hinders others), the FBI (we hates all nasty TORses, hates them we does), and God knows who else. If the TOR Project ever manages to well and truly piss the State Department off that would mean Big Trouble: Including maybe a huge shake-up like we are seeing now? Just closing it down by pulling the funding would probably not be an option, as that would massively complicate lots of political warfare projects in progress against "regimes" targeted for disposal. The incoming President wouldn't like that, and we know what happens to people who do things she doesn't like.
It is highly probable that IF a political warfare activity was asked to arrange this party for Our Mr. Applebaum, they could quote a very reasonable price and deliver the goods on time.
So it's just a matter of waiting for the next 'financial report' from tor inc. in order to learn how much the tor project paid to get rid of their accomplice appelbaum?
The report will have an entry like
"psyop against appelbaum.........$300,000*.........CIA"
"*paid through syverson's cayman offshore account"
Now yer just being silly. A project like taking Applebaum down could be paid for out of petty cash and/or by raiding the office coffee fund. :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXiWsKAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqN6kH/jtPcBX6uCODPVRWcL4sMqPx qQkUtwMcJiFYjKZ95pFnl/xOgLoNkR/VlBzRV50Maz6qL9nGT0PMy/UiUt7YJAzx J7SUe/CFDfxJOfmxgdgtBu5TZmA9v8T+R3DEK4X+xZWeDmIZERiP1aYwptTOnHD5 Zn7eQA3fVcMROddtBvQDGG+7Y/dERf6VMmVtwSHj4Oa3mEcbNvZXmPPH1aLbBG2D 16/Hd2ZSMqJcsnkXdw9oo0OboLwrKKl5xjZd/G5UHsAa8L7QO3v914S6PZS0mOW7 SEut6PMGy+DED9I4bYaQNhVk5m2uOGs/myAolGVRyqgZ+Is+JFzTTJnJSI0lIYo= =QNrR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 07:00:27PM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:
If the TOR Project ever manages to well and truly piss the State Department off that would mean Big Trouble: Including maybe a huge shake-up like we are seeing now? Just closing it down by pulling the funding would probably not be an option, as that would massively complicate lots of political warfare projects in progress against "regimes" targeted for disposal. The incoming President wouldn't like that, and we know what happens to people who do things she doesn't like.
"We came, we saw, he died" - with a cackle/ chuckle over the death of Qaddafi.
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 19:00:27 -0400 Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
Pardon my macroaggression, but there is a very current Identity Politics fad for cutting all Male Pigs down to size,
Yeah, true, and irrelevant.
Looking at the motives and means of people who have opportunities is usually very relevant in determining who did what and why. Of course, that might be inconvenient for anyone who comes in with a preconceived notion that explains it all.
It's OK to analyze motives and means, I don't dispute that. But means exist to achieve some end, which supposedly is more important than the means. In the case of appelbaum he got metaphorically lynched by politically correct feminists, but what really matters is that a) he got lynched b) by his own employeers c) who are members of the 'good' 'pro-privacy' 'community'.
The issue is, pay attention, How is it possible for the amazing, transparent, and 'freedom fighting' tor project to use all those dirty tricks against one of their most amazing transparent and freedom fighting members?
What I see here is an assumption that the TOR Project itself, or some element thereof, would be the actor behind any effort to kick Our Mr. Applebaum out of the project
I think we would agree that appelbaum was indeed kicked out, no? We should further agree that the kicking was formally done by the tor project's 'authorties'? So we can safely assume that either those 'authorities' acted on their own accord, or else got their marching orders from sombebody else? And from my point of view, that doesn't make much of a differece anyway. Whether they 'betrayed' appelbaum because they were 'following orders', or not, doesn't change what they did.
and "activist" communities in general, via a reputation attack. I would not rule that out, but I would include the whole alphabet soup of TLAs on the list of potential suspects.
I don't object to that, but I don't think it matters too much who the 'intellectual author' is. Whether it's some feminist bitches who now run at least part of the show, or it's syverson and the general baxter*, the tor project is still a bad joke. * youtube.com/watch?v=L6O6sM2Shok
The TOR Drama includes multilateral conflict of interest between the State Department (funding TOR as a vector for transmitting State propaganda to foreign audiences), CIA (a love/hate relationship with TOR; helps some missions, hinders others), the FBI (we hates all nasty TORses, hates them we does), and God knows who else.
It's obvious that tor helps the state more than it hinders it. Otherwise the state would have never created and tolerated something like it.
If the TOR Project ever manages to well and truly piss the State Department off that would mean Big Trouble: Including maybe a huge shake-up like we are seeing now? Just closing it down by pulling the funding would probably not be an option,
Nobody really wants to close it down. The factional fights inside the state are just for show.
"psyop against appelbaum.........$300,000*.........CIA"
"*paid through syverson's cayman offshore account"
Now yer just being silly. A project like taking Applebaum down could be paid for out of petty cash and/or by raiding the office coffee fund.
True that =P
:o)
Seems scrubbage exists of forward search references to one's contribution, adding to the pile on, diminishment, and reframing through that... https://blog.torproject.org/blog/what-tor-supporter-looks-%E2%80%93-jacob-ap... https://web.archive.org/web/20160304052552/https://blog.torproject.org/blog/... https://blog.torproject.org/category/tags/ioerror https://web.archive.org/web/20160310120411/https://blog.torproject.org/categ... https://blog.torproject.org/blogs/ioerror https://web.archive.org/web/20160610002952/https://blog.torproject.org/blogs... https://blog.torproject.org/blog/7 https://people.torproject.org/~ioerror/ https://web.archive.org/web/20150315135427/https://people.torproject.org/~io... Censorship and removal of truth [even if only of historical record] is rather shameful. And blog post on the Board issue seems to have very few comments approved compared to average comment numbers in other posts, for a seemingly big topic (total replacement) where are all the comments? And if anyone has this deleted video, please repost this footage of censored foreign lands to a censorship free location: https://vimeo.com/172360421 http://archive.is/XvBxg http://archive.is/mMVQH https://www.reddit.com/user/ioerror https://web.archive.org/web/20150324124253/https://people.torproject.org/~io...
The removal of content is happening since last month, my dear @grarpamp. Lots of strange things are happening and there is evident censorship in some places when you mention Jake's name. This kind of thing makes me feel really upset and I am considering if was correct to avoid cruel gossip, because it is disgusting, vile. "JA group" used this kind of despicable resource, but they are not a good and healthy reference for normal people, with a little bit of ethics. "Decent people", using Quinn's favorite expression. "Sane people", in my own code of ethics. I never asked Jake about this fact, because it would sound disgusting and non sense for him and he already has lots of more relevant worries. I used this embarrassing information for my personal conviction only. We can't use this information in a trial, but I am sure he had no sexual contact or approach with one of the alleged victims because he has a very sensitive nose. Jake is very clean and really cares a lot about personal hygiene. Everybody knows how much he cares about his apparence and his smell always is good, even after a longer talk. A comfortable smell that remembers me "cleanliness", daily baths and use of cleaning products, like soap, shampoo, etc. It is an important detail for a Brazilian person. We do love water and baths. Brazilians usually are considered "bath addicteds" and "maniacs for cleanliness, hygiene products and perfums" in whole world. The girl is knowed in some activist circles for _not_ having an accurate hygiene and for several disgusting intimate smells. One of her ex-lovers, who I've knowed in person, confirmed me it some weeks ago and I really felt bad for her. I don't know her in person and I don't know if she has a disease or just unsanitary, unhygienic habits, but being associated with "sour cream", "rotten cheese" and other bizarre odors is very humilliating. He never had courage to lick any part of her body and left her after two disastrous sexual meetings. Jake never would touch a stinky person in an intimate way. He is too clean for it and he could have sex with a better person very, very easily. Sorry, I can't believe it. He probably would reject her sexual advances, exactly like her ex-lover did. She is a revengeful person and, well, a rejected woman is the Hell in a human form. She said his ex-lover is gay and he doesn't like sex to some people. He is not gay and likes sex a lot, but only with clean women. Not her case! :P It was childish and cruel, but I confess when I was angry, I tried to play with two horrible versions of "Smelly Cat" (one of Phoebe' songs, Friends sitcom), provisionally called "Smelly Pussy" and "Smelly Little Cat" just for making Jake laugh a bit. It was a bad idea and I left it at all. Jake deserves good music and I sing like a banshee dying, uh! :(( (I don't know if it is really used, but they teach a pussy is a "little cat" for foreign people and I just learned it can be a bad word when I tried to explain how much I love puppies and kittens to my ex-boyfriend. I said "I love pussies" and he laughed for a long time before explaining my mistake... d'oh! :P) Tender kisses. Wish you all a lovely day! :* Cecilia, at hospital, in a horrible mood... I've spent my whole week visiting hospitals and strongly wished to die all the times after reading dramatic Russian propaganda. Too much drama and noise because of another corrupt politician, who doesn't support LGBTQ rights and censors philosophers, aff... :((( PS for @Georgi: - Stallman certainly likes scumbags, because is a complete scumbag in some moments. But I swear he is very funny and cute when in the mood! <3 I don't know if Jesus loves @Juan, but later I will share a cute comic book named "Religion - Ruining Everything Since 4004 B.C.". A lovely friend sent me and I read it yesterday, at hospital, while complaining about God's dark humor and bad jokes. It was published under a Creative Commons license and I need to thank the author for being so generous and fun. He made me smile while my temperamental body was rejecting medicines, so his book is good, hihi... ;)
And if anyone has this deleted video, please repost this footage of censored foreign lands to a censorship free location: https://vimeo.com/172360421
Someone has posted this video here. 270MiB. Unknown if it is the original quality or content. http://player.vimple.ru/iframe/04506a053f124483b8fb05ed73899f19
On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 22:27:08 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
And if anyone has this deleted video, please repost this footage of censored foreign lands to a censorship free location: https://vimeo.com/172360421
Someone has posted this video here. 270MiB. Unknown if it is the original quality or content.
http://player.vimple.ru/iframe/04506a053f124483b8fb05ed73899f19
doesn't work without js it's amazing how a master of hackers like you grarpamp can't even provide a link to some half decent hosting?
On 07/13/2016 09:17 PM, grarpamp wrote:
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-project-elects-new-board%C2%A0-director... http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/14/technology/tor-project-a-digital-privacy-g...
Tor guts itself. And under whatever your definition of "elects" is.
Note the headline pic... can't fade me brahs, still reppin :)
Well, they had to, after all the shit that's come out, and all the additional shit that may come out. Shari Steele was brought in to clean house, and that's what she's doing. But who brought her in, I wonder? And whose interests is the new leadership serving? Time will tell.
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 23:17:31 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-project-elects-new-board%C2%A0-director... http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/14/technology/tor-project-a-digital-privacy-g...
Tor guts itself.
The 'core' shitbags are all there. They will never 'gut' themselves. Though it would be great if they literally did, japanese-style. Then again, those scumbags are the exact opposite of people with principles.
And under whatever your definition of "elects" is.
That 'board of directors' is just a list of parasites who are there either for the money(tax money) or the 'prestige'.
Note the headline pic... can't fade me brahs, still reppin :)
On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:53 PM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 23:17:31 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-project-elects-new-board%C2%A0-director... http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/14/technology/tor-project-a-digital-privacy-g...
Tor guts itself.
The 'core' shitbags are all there. They will never 'gut' themselves. Though it would be great if they literally did, japanese-style. Then again, those scumbags are the exact opposite of people with principles.
Roger Dingledine and Nick Mathewson sure as fuck weren't and didn't go anywhere. What does the board even do to draw their fat salaries? What did Appelbaum even do? Besides talk about Julian Assange every 5 minutes. It seems they have a massive coder-to-manager ratio deficit. John
On 07/14/2016 02:39 AM, John Newman wrote:
On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:53 PM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 23:17:31 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-project-elects-new-board%C2%A0-director... http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/14/technology/tor-project-a-digital-privacy-g...
Tor guts itself. The 'core' shitbags are all there. They will never 'gut' themselves. Though it would be great if they literally did, japanese-style. Then again, those scumbags are the exact opposite of people with principles.
Roger Dingledine and Nick Mathewson sure as fuck weren't and didn't go anywhere.
What does the board even do to draw their fat salaries? What did Appelbaum even do? Besides talk about Julian Assange every 5 minutes. It seems they have a massive coder-to-manager ratio deficit.
John
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