On 07/13/2016 08:54 PM, juan wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 23:39:32 -0400 Steve Kinney wrote:

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Bruce Schneier gonna be on the board, this should be fun!

It doesn't take much effort to find out that schneider is some kind of americunt neocon.

Didn't he do speaking tours with Medea Benjamin? Is she an 'americunt neocon' too? Is everyone within the territorial boundaries of the continental US, cunts? Enquiring minds want to know what the mentally ill troll thinks. Rr

On Jul 14, 2016 8:44 AM, "Georgi Guninski" wrote:

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:39:32PM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:

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Bruce Schneier gonna be on the board, this should be fun!

lol, one of the best ways to kill his reputation (if any).

It would be pretty fun. More funny memes! :D https://www.schneierfacts.com/facts/37 The internet always needs more cats and memes to survive. Schneier using onions to attack terrorists and pedophiles in a version of Angry Birds would be pop and very cute, ow! *-* Tor Project should consider Chuck Norris on the board too. :)

On 07/13/2016 09:44 PM, Rayzer wrote:

On 07/13/2016 08:17 PM, grarpamp wrote:

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https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-project-elects-new-board%C2%A0-director... http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/14/technology/tor-project-a-digital-privacy-g...

Tor guts itself. And under whatever your definition of "elects" is.

Note the headline pic... can't fade me brahs, still reppin :)

C'mon...

Someone say something truly stupid like "Bruce Schneier is a sleeper for the CIA to make sure Tor stays insecure."

No, he's the token good guy ;) Stupid enough?

On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 20:44:12 -0700 Rayzer wrote:

Someone say something truly stupid like "Bruce Schneier is a sleeper for the CIA to make sure Tor stays insecure."

Oh, and by the way rayzer, You never finished explaining your conspiracy theory regarding appelbaum? What happened to poor appelbaum? He's the victim of a complot of course! But led by whom? The swiss, the chinese, pedophiles, anti-semites, right-wingers, or what?

Rr

On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 07:37:36 -0700 Rayzer wrote:

On 07/14/2016 12:06 AM, juan wrote:

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On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 20:44:12 -0700 Rayzer wrote:

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Someone say something truly stupid like "Bruce Schneier is a sleeper for the CIA to make sure Tor stays insecure."

Oh, and by the way rayzer,

You never finished explaining your conspiracy theory regarding appelbaum?

What happened to poor appelbaum? He's the victim of a complot of course! But led by whom? The swiss, the chinese, pedophiles, anti-semites, right-wingers, or what?

I had no "Conspiracy Theory" regarding ioerror

Sure, sure. While I search for your past posts, why don't you explain what happened to him anyway? What, you are too much of a dishonest clown to face basic facts?

but I did just mention something about him in re one of the new board members elsewhere in the thread.

bla bla bla

If you read it and you don't like my analysis. Fuck off I TRULY don't care.

Rr

On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:51:15 -0700 Rayzer wrote:

On 07/14/2016 12:10 PM, juan wrote:

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Sure, sure. While I search for your past posts

Sure, sure. You do that nutjob.

I already did stupid scumbag

From rayzer@riseup.net Sat Jun 4 23:13:17 2016

"Appelbaum's departure under seemingly normal circumstances being seized as excuse to (what appears to be) institutionally slander him." "The smear site is privacy-protected as to ownership but it appears to use github's servers. http://en.utrace.de/?query=jacobappelbaum.net Hasn't github been 'compromised'? " ** hacking conspiracy against github too!

From rayzer@riseup.net Tue Jun 7 14:25:47 2016

" You mean like my "Mistake" assuming ioerror was the victim of orchestrated institutional slander?" "The reason I noted it so quickly is because Institutional Slander campaigns aren't new, " So, let's now hear your conspiracy theory, scumbag.

On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 18:39:11 -0700 Rayzer wrote:

On 07/14/2016 06:24 PM, juan wrote:

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On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:51:15 -0700 Rayzer wrote:

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On 07/14/2016 12:10 PM, juan wrote:

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Sure, sure. While I search for your past posts Sure, sure. You do that nutjob.

I already did stupid scumbag

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From rayzer@riseup.net Sat Jun 4 23:13:17 2016

"Appelbaum's departure under seemingly normal circumstances being seized as excuse to (what appears to be) institutionally slander him."

Indeed, that's what has happened. Still waiting for someone to contact the police about his alleged rapes. Nutjob.

So you are saying that the rest of tor scumbags are 'slandering' their 'ex' comrade, and 'freedom fighter' appelbaum? How can such a horrible conspiracy be possible?? You sound like a nutjob rayzer... And of course, a leading 'anarchist' like you get his facts from the police. Isn't that cute...

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"The smear site is privacy-protected as to ownership but it appears to use github's servers. http://en.utrace.de/?query=jacobappelbaum.net Hasn't github been 'compromised'? "

** hacking conspiracy against github too!

I never mentioned hacking anything. Nutjob. The poster had an account. Nutjob

Well, it's obvious that you are a charlantan too. Github has been 'compromised'...

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" You mean like my "Mistake" assuming ioerror was the victim of orchestrated institutional slander?"

"The reason I noted it so quickly is because Institutional Slander campaigns aren't new, "

So I'm still waiting for you to show me one I've posted. Nutjob.

Come on rayzer. You *are* pretty stupid, but even in your case it's clear that you are going the extra mile here and playing even more dumb. There's an "orchestrasted institutional slander campaign", which just so happens to have been orchestrated by...your tor friends!!!! Go ahead, razyer, do play your part =)

On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 20:16:43 -0700 Rayzer wrote:

I'm saying you're a trolling nutjob. Nutjob.

It's not 'the rest'. It's 'a few'.

lol! you are delusional =) Do you know that your beloved tor project threw that 'anarchist', pentagon-financed clown appelbaum under the bus? How did that happen, sonny? =) How is it possible that the tor freedon fighters didn't show any sort of 'solidarity' for their brother appelbaum? =) How do explain what's going on with a 'few' high-ranking tor cunts, sonny? Why are you so unwilling to share your little conspiracy theory? =) You know what you should be explaining? You should explain what kind of retard 'trusts' a 'project' staffed by gentlemen like the tor gentlemen. The tor gentlemen : on the pentagon's payroll. Having CIA employees. Lunatic left-wing 'feminist' fascists. Censors. And above all, backstabbing scumbags. They sure are people who deserve "full trust" =)

There's a difference Nutjob.

In your delusional mind? sure.

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How can such a horrible conspiracy be possible?? You sound like a nutjob rayzer...

And of course, a leading 'anarchist' like you get his facts from the police. Isn't that cute...

I don't get facts from the police. If and when it occurs I get INFORMATION from them.

You say nothing happened because your government's police force (or germany's) says nothing happened? You are the king of anarchists rayzer! And's how's the DVM doing? Are people showing their papieren in den autobahnen?

There's a difference ... Nutjob.

for charlatans like you, yes.

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Well, it's obvious that you are a charlantan too.

Github has been 'compromised'...

That seems to be the sentiment of quite a few people

You are rambling =)

who put their code there... Nutjob.

There's an "orchestrasted institutional slander campaign", by people who have a bone to pick with ioerror,

Oh. People. And who are these people? =) What do they do for a living? =) What are their political views? =) Are you talking about your friends from the tor 'project' inc. ?

and it doesn't seem to be the 'bone' that allegedly got rammed up their allegedly unwilling asses or else there's be a police report from ONE OF THEM by now, and for your information, NUTJOB, I have no friends that came from ANYTHING related to computers or the industry.

Come on rayzer. Since you are a high ranking, highly dishonest tor-bot, it's quite safe to assume that they are your friends. Or employeers. Or something like that...

I make acquaintances with Libertarian psychopaths (like you nutjob), I don't befriend them.

lol! I think the psychos are your friends...and family. Didn't you mention your dad was a psycho from the US military? =)

ArAr

On Jul 15, 2016, at 2:27 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:

On 07/14/2016 11:16 PM, Rayzer wrote:

[ Ker-SNIP! ]

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There's an "orchestrasted institutional slander campaign", by people who have a bone to pick with ioerror, and it doesn't seem to be the 'bone' that allegedly got rammed up their allegedly unwilling asses or else there's be a police report from ONE OF THEM by now, and for your information, NUTJOB, I have no friends that came from ANYTHING related to computers or the industry. I make acquaintances with Libertarian psychopaths (like you nutjob), I don't befriend them.

ArAr

I have myself been declared a motherfucker by Juan's executive fiat, though not if I recall correctly a Statist Pig. Perhaps this post will rectify that deficiency. Only time will tell.

Not everyone seems to be in agreement about how horrible ioerror is. His defenders include at least one individual who isn't afraid of disclosing information that she knows sounds "paranoid," in the process of disclosing her take on Jake.

https://contraspin.co.nz/tag/jacob-appelbaum/

https://suzi3d.com/

The absence of any legal proceedings, criminal or civil, seems rather a big data point. Lots of people are willing to throw stones, nobody is willing to face a potential perjury charge or countersuit. Maybe nobody was actually harmed, beyond hurt feelings.

Any male geek person with Our Mr. Applebaum's "celebrity" status who is also (in my heteronormative radical queer opinion) good looking, is very likely to avail himself of the sexual perquisites of social prestige. If that is the case with Our Mr. Applebaum, it would inevitably result in at least /some/ hurt feelings, even if he was a perfect fucking knight in shining armor - which he probably ain't, because who is?

Pardon my macroaggression, but there is a very current Identity Politics fad for cutting all Male Pigs down to size, and its fan base demographic intersects with the fan base of everything that even looks "radical and culturally cutting edge" to a fuzzy studies major, including the TOR Project. In this social matrix, acts of simple careless idiocy, devoid of malice and producing no real harm, could lead to all of the charges we have seen.

If you are of a paranoid bent, ask whether a political warfare operation could produce the exact results seen in Our Mr. Applebaum's recent history. Seeking out unsatisfied customers of Brand Jake who are associated with evangelists for Feminazi fashion would be a snap: Thanks to ubiquitous surveillance with automated social network mapping and psychographic classification, finding people matching the desired profile and history would only require a work order. Develop one agent - witting or not - and the rest handles itself. (If, and please pardon the expression, Our Mr. Applebaum has exposed himself in any way.)

Of course, this kind of thing is unheard of. Unless the name Mendax means anything to you.

It is possible that Our Mr. Applebaum is a raging asshole who routinely mistreats women in serious ways. But if so, the lack of any criminal charges or civil action is surprising.

It is possible that he is a victim of spontaneous combustion comparable to the Mean Girls on the cheerleading squad getting some amusing revenge, motivated by nothing more serious than some naive sap's socially awkward behavior. That model fits the available evidence better than the criminal model.

It is highly probable that IF a political warfare activity was asked to arrange this party for Our Mr. Applebaum, they could quote a very reasonable price and deliver the goods on time. The beauty part: By itself this observation proves nothing, as it is difficult or impossible to prove absent a credible inside source. That's the beauty part of the institution of State Secrecy.

Wtf is or was so important about Appelbaum that would lead to any kind of massive conspiratorial smear campaign? Who gains from taking him down? He may talk about him a lot, but he's not Julian Assange. Maybe he was just a douche bag with a few people too many and they threw up some exaggerated reports to get him chucked. In any event, he doesn't seem to be fighting back particularly hard. John

On 2016-07-15 08:16, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

There is a phrase, and you can pretend I said this immortal quote but it would not be the case that I originated it:

"One man can change the world."

A man who stands on principle can be many things which can change a particular "world" (if not the world at large):

- the canary in the mine whistleblower, e.g. "keeping the TOR bastards honest" and thus causing a lot of angst for those who wanted to use Tor for their state-sponsored human-subversive intentions

- the sole individual who facilitates/ is the conduit for key transmissions of whistleblowers and their information, to a publisher who has infrastructure to publish bypassing national "intelligence networks" - e.g. to connect a Chelsie Manning to a Julian Assange.

Remember - there was (perhaps still is, we don't know because it's so top secretive) a grand jury out to hang draw and quarter Julian Assange, an Australian - I think Australia has an extradition treaty with USA, we certainly host Pine Gap which is a global hub for the USA/ five eyes.

HUGE resources have been put into this case against Julian - plane flights

- enrollement of foreign so-called "sovereign" governments such as UK, Sweden, Australia

- subversion of the Swedish justice department

- unilaterally grounding the aeroplane of the president of Ecuador

- and probably plenty more behind the scenes which we are not aware of publicly.

THIS IS F@#$ING HUGE!!!

The USA/CIA/FBI/NorthAmerican Government wants Julian Assange really, really badly!

From inside the Ecuadorian embassy, Julian --continues-- to publish things which embarrass the North American establishment oligarchs - Hitlery emails, banking scandals, war files and plenty more.

Wikileaks (with all its problems which around these parts some are aware of) is a MASSIVE thorn in the side of the Empire of the North American and Atlantic Regime.

I absolutely agree with everything you've said about Assange, and fully think his interment in Ecuador (the embassy) stems from the massive embarrassment he caused and continues to cause to governments, corporations, etc.

Jacob Applebaum was a key figure facilitating the conduit of leakers to Assange, and, apparently, certainly quite possibly, keeping the bastards honest at Tor Inc, which was supposed to be an American Military and CIA operation - and here was this pipsqueak Jacob taking the "published principles of an intention (however weakly implemented) toward aiding public anonymity of transmission of information", literally!

Jacob Applebaum took that fucking intention fucking literally!

The fucking hide of him!!!

I don't know enough about what Appelbaum ever did beyond some (IMO) over-hyped "art projects" and name-dropping Assange every 5 minutes in that internal tor IRC chat that was leaked. So, seeing I have a lack of knowledge here, I'll take you at your word at his importance.

Perhaps he was grateful for the opportunity to bow out? IDK, just postulating of course, but hell, if he really was the only man truly standing in the gaggle of self interested, intensely feminazi and pro CIA agents employees of Tor Inc, for that many years, I imagine he'd "fucking had enough". Perhaps few men could stand as long as he did in his situation... most are armchair anarchists, armchair Mannings, armchair Assanges, waving our arms at "What a fucking bad job they're doing, I could do it SO much better".

Perhaps you're right! :) -- John Newman

Zen, thank you very much for your great insights: Zenaan Harkness :

!!! Jacob Applebaum took that fucking intention fucking literally! The fucking hide of him!!! How DARE anyone take principled intentions literally, ESPECIALLY when the neoc9nt American establishment is paying for it. FFS, Wake UP!

___ !!! if he really was the only man truly

standing in the gaggle of self interested, intensely feminazi and pro CIA agents employees of Tor Inc, for that many years, I imagine he'd "fucking had enough".

___ !!! unless one becomes successful at actually changing some part of the

empire, then he'd become a rapist with public "witnesses" telling their story.

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On Jul 15, 2016, at 2:27 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:

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It is possible that Our Mr. Applebaum is a raging asshole who routinely mistreats women in serious ways. But if so, the lack of any criminal charges or civil action is surprising.

It is possible that he is a victim of spontaneous combustion comparable to the Mean Girls on the cheerleading squad getting some amusing revenge, motivated by nothing more serious than some naive sap's socially awkward behavior. That model fits the available evidence better than the criminal model.

It is highly probable that IF a political warfare activity was asked to arrange this party for Our Mr. Applebaum, they could quote a very reasonable price and deliver the goods on time. The beauty part: By itself this observation proves nothing, as it is difficult or impossible to prove absent a credible inside source. That's the beauty part of the institution of State Secrecy.

Wtf is or was so important about Appelbaum that would lead to any kind of massive conspiratorial smear campaign? Who gains from taking him down? He may talk about him a lot, but he's not Julian Assange.

I don't know. He may have done as little as personally offended someone with the power to order his disposal. It does seem a bit much to call a conspiratorial operation at this scale "massive" in the world where the 911 attack happened, and U.S. propaganda assets continue to sell false narratives of /many/ violent events to the public. The stunning success of efforts to manage Western press coverage of the annexation of Libya on Secretary Clinton's watch is more frightening to me than the whole history of the Bush/Obama Administration's nuclear brinksmanship vs. the Russian Federation, still in progress and apparently locked in for eight more years.

Maybe he was just a douche bag with a few people too many and they threw up some exaggerated reports to get him chucked.

To me that seems the most likely answer. "Douchebag" is in the eye of the beholder, and it doesn't take much to trigger disproportionate retaliation in a hostile workplace environment.

In any event, he doesn't seem to be fighting back particularly hard.

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I agree with everything said here. Jacob Appelbaum wears counterculture on his sleeve. ... Some thing I remember most developers did WAY back when personal computing first got off the ground. Wozniak, Jobs and the rest would get shit-faced out at the Albatross on Portola while Moby Grape played. The Chateu up on the summit and Zayante Club were basically weekend retreats for coders to get away, smoke a bunch of Killer Local Bud, and decompress before going back to their breadboards and eye-destroying green-black dot-matrix montiors. The cops used to pick up bleary-eyed tie-dye shirt wearing local coders wandering the streets of Santa Cruz early in the morning thinking they were 'woods hippies' to be harassed. Now it's about money power and ego. Those rubes compromise easily. They 'drop trou', as the brits say. But the ones who are in 'for the love of it' .... You have to dig dirt. Rr On 07/16/2016 04:50 AM, grarpamp wrote:

On 7/15/16, John Newman wrote:

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Wtf is or was so important about Appelbaum that would lead to any kind of massive conspiratorial smear campaign? Who gains from taking him down? On both... Are you fucking kidding me?

Even before Snowden censored himself and Assange got locked down... He's one of the outspoken few that was still out traveling around the world bringing knowledge of Tor / privacy / human rights / surveillance etc the whole scope... with zero fear and a solid compelling presentation based on personal conviction and experience. Others at Tor mostly stayed to the conference rooms, he was transcending personal rooms even before joining Tor...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaW1ge-tTVo

Here he is talking on the subject with a roomful of Muslims in Quwait... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTcpVBqy9Dc

And you want to know who wants to take him down, and how? Get real. Get fucking real.

Don't expect the new Tor board to support similar work in the future even if someone doing it fell into their lap. It's too hot topic, and they'll be too busy playing politik and law with their US Government now anyway.

Historical narratives indeed... https://youtube.com/watch?v=L6O6sM2Shok&t=293

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 04:32:27PM -0300, juan wrote:

You get fucking real. Appelbaum is a self-serving fraud.

The jury's out, but the jury is always out - who knows what the future will bring, who know's what "evidence of wrongdoing" or for that matter what further "evidence of right doing" will be presented in respect of Applebaum in the future. I watched those talks by Applebaum that grarpamp posted, and I have a new appreciation for who Applebaum is, at least a small view of part of his life journey. And frankly, I like what I see. Combining this with the way he was thrown under the bus by the rest of the Tor Inc (some now ex) employees, paints a compelling picture for me that Applebaum was a hard pill for the rest of Tor Inc to swallow - and I mean that in a "very good for the rest of us" way. The balance in my high mount everest opinion, from what little I've read and seen so far, shows Applebaum in a light which is a very good light. A man of empathy, a man who's not had an easy personal journey in life, a man who made some tough and adventurous decisions in ways which I (for what little it's worth) personally approve of. Thank you Jacob Applebaum. (PS grarpamp, thanks for those links by the way, really appreciated.)

On 7/16/16, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

So we have various countries banning end to end encryption - Russia, possibly China?, now the UK ...what is stopping America from doing so?

Apparently this guy. https://www.schneierfacts.com/ https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=bruce+schneier+chuck+norris https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ui3tLbzIgQ Time will tell what come of bans.

On Jul 16, 2016, at 7:50 AM, grarpamp wrote:

On 7/15/16, John Newman wrote:

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Wtf is or was so important about Appelbaum that would lead to any kind of massive conspiratorial smear campaign? Who gains from taking him down?

On both... Are you fucking kidding me?

Even before Snowden censored himself and Assange got locked down... He's one of the outspoken few that was still out traveling around the world bringing knowledge of Tor / privacy / human rights / surveillance etc the whole scope... with zero fear and a solid compelling presentation based on personal conviction and experience. Others at Tor mostly stayed to the conference rooms, he was transcending personal rooms even before joining Tor...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaW1ge-tTVo

Here he is talking on the subject with a roomful of Muslims in Quwait... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTcpVBqy9Dc

Right on. I obviously didn’t keep abreast of all the important Applebaum-works (I don’t watch a whole lot of youtube videos, I prefer reading). I run a little tor relay, lurk on a couple of tor lists, am constantly hacking my fork of roundcube to work better with GPG, etc… but basically I've always had more of an interest in the technical details. So apparently I missed some important shit. As I already said to Zen - thanks for filling me in :P P.S. All sarcasm/snide bullshit aside - do you really think Applebaum is of the same level of importance to the things you mention - privacy / human rights / surveillance state, etc, as Julian Assange or Ed Snowden? Snowden may have clammed up but he got a lot of good shit out there. Likewise they have tried to clam Assange up but he keeps on pumping shit out. — john

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 02:27:24AM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:

The absence of any legal proceedings, criminal or civil, seems rather a big data point. Lots of people are willing to throw stones, nobody is willing to face a potential perjury charge or countersuit. Maybe nobody was actually harmed, beyond hurt feelings.

I don't know what the truth is. Just to play devil's advocate, lack of proceedings might mean out of court deal (I don't believe this is the case).

Any male geek person with Our Mr. Applebaum's "celebrity" status who is also (in my heteronormative radical queer opinion) good looking, is very likely to avail himself of the sexual perquisites of social prestige.

Well, feds/nsa are known to use ladies to seduce people and then blackmail them (probably this is since ancient times). Isn't this very close to Assange's charges in Sweden? They look quite made up to me. Are most activists rapists? This appears highly unlikely to me. According to The Guardian, Applebaum was accused of "emotional abuse". WTF is "emotional abuse"? Calling a bitch "bitch"? @juan will get death sentence for "emotional abuse" just from this list, I suspect.

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 14:33:26 +0300 Georgi Guninski wrote:

WTF is "emotional abuse"? Calling a bitch "bitch"? @juan will get death sentence for "emotional abuse" just from this list, I suspect.

Exactly right =)

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:57:04 -0700 Rayzer wrote:

It's "Informational Abuse". Juan's fishing for information about people and their personalities for the feds.

Now that's an entertaining conspiracy theory =)

As can be seen with the FBI's ongoing sting ops of Muslims, they tend to tap people who are mentally defective to assist them.

Rr

On 7/15/16, juan wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:57:04 -0700 Rayzer wrote:

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It's "Informational Abuse". Juan's fishing for information about people and their personalities for the feds.

Now that's an entertaining conspiracy theory =)

It's been said that within every conspiracy theory lies an element of truth ;-)

On 07/16/2016 04:32 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 06:14:07AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:

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On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:57:04 -0700 Rayzer wrote:

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It's "Informational Abuse". Juan's fishing for information about people and their personalities for the feds. Now that's an entertaining conspiracy theory =) It's been said that within every conspiracy theory

On 7/15/16, juan wrote: lies an element of truth ;-) Agreed.

Here is another conspiracy theory: both rayzer and juan are puppet accounts of a single actor, other than god [1].

That's why I sign my posts. Further, my handle appears all over the intertubz at various venues for at least a decade now and covers topics that Juan has no expertise whatsoever in, nor interest. Rr

[1] Dear juan, stay assured Jesus loves you. In case you don't get it, it doesn't matter if you believe that gravity works or not. Not sure if Stallman likes scumbags like you.

On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 14:32:44 +0300 Georgi Guninski wrote:

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 06:14:07AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:

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On 7/15/16, juan wrote:

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On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:57:04 -0700 Rayzer wrote:

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It's "Informational Abuse". Juan's fishing for information about people and their personalities for the feds.

Now that's an entertaining conspiracy theory =)

It's been said that within every conspiracy theory lies an element of truth ;-)

Agreed.

Here is another conspiracy theory: both rayzer and juan are puppet accounts of a single actor, other than god [1].

[1] Dear juan, stay assured Jesus loves you. In case you don't get it, it doesn't matter if you believe that gravity works or not. Not sure if Stallman likes scumbags like you.

Are you drunk Georgi? I'm sure that a scumbag like stallman doesn't like me. Are you one of his puppets? Admitedly, I can hardly make head or tail of your message, except that you sound rather confused.

On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 06:14:07 -0400 grarpamp wrote:

On 7/15/16, juan wrote:

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On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:57:04 -0700 Rayzer wrote:

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It's "Informational Abuse". Juan's fishing for information about people and their personalities for the feds.

Now that's an entertaining conspiracy theory =)

It's been said that within every conspiracy theory lies an element of truth ;-)

So rayzer, I mean, grarpamp, what's the element of truth here? =) Since you are honest and transparent, you will tell us, right?

On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 18:25:52 -0400 grarpamp wrote:

On 7/16/16, juan wrote:

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It's "Informational Abuse". Juan's fishing for information about people and their personalities for the feds.

Now that's an entertaining conspiracy theory =)

It's been said that within every conspiracy theory lies an element of truth ;-)

So rayzer, I mean, grarpamp, what's the element of truth here?

We spent $1k and produced this video just to countertroll you?

So grarpamp you couldn't name the 'element of truth' in your pal's conspiracy theory. You fail yet again. And yes, from the point of view of torbots like you and rayzer I am a 'troll'. But that says a lot more about you than me...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4EEa0HAqzQ

ah yes, they have some good stuff - too bad they are tor whores too (well, they also worked for russia today lol)

On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 22:08:23 -0400 grarpamp wrote:

On 7/16/16, juan wrote:

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So grarpamp you couldn't name the 'element of truth' in your pal's conspiracy theory.

You're wasting your time Juan.

Why? Well, I know you are a dishonest scumbag, true, but I think it's OK to drive the point home.

And welcome to another stint in the purgatory of my mail filter.

uh oh - I'll comment on your spam anyway, you know =)

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 02:27:24AM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:

The absence of any legal proceedings, criminal or civil, seems rather a big data point. Lots of people are willing to throw stones, nobody is willing to face a potential perjury charge or countersuit. Maybe nobody was actually harmed, beyond hurt feelings.

Any male geek person with Our Mr. Applebaum's "celebrity" status who is also (in my heteronormative radical queer opinion) good looking, is very likely to avail himself of the sexual perquisites of social prestige. If that is the case with Our Mr. Applebaum, it would inevitably result in at least /some/ hurt feelings, even if he was a perfect fucking knight in shining armor - which he probably ain't, because who is?

Pardon my macroaggression, but there is a very current Identity Politics fad for cutting all Male Pigs down to size, and its fan base demographic intersects with the fan base of everything that even looks "radical and culturally cutting edge" to a fuzzy studies major, including the TOR Project.

"fuzzy studies" :D Great phrase.

In this social matrix, acts of simple careless idiocy, devoid of malice and producing no real harm, could lead to all of the charges we have seen.

If you are of a paranoid bent, ask whether a political warfare operation could produce the exact results seen in Our Mr. Applebaum's recent history. Seeking out unsatisfied customers of Brand Jake who are associated with evangelists for Feminazi fashion would be a snap: Thanks to ubiquitous surveillance with automated social network mapping and psychographic classification, finding people matching the desired profile and history would only require a work order. Develop one agent - witting or not - and the rest handles itself. (If, and please pardon the expression, Our Mr. Applebaum has exposed himself in any way.)

Much-o ACK-o.

Of course, this kind of thing is unheard of. Unless the name Mendax means anything to you.

I take it you mean "unheard of" in the literal, rather than colloquial, sense.

It is possible that Our Mr. Applebaum is a raging asshole who routinely mistreats women in serious ways. But if so, the lack of any criminal charges or civil action is surprising.

It is possible that he is a victim of spontaneous combustion comparable to the Mean Girls on the cheerleading squad getting some amusing revenge, motivated by nothing more serious than some naive sap's socially awkward behavior. That model fits the available evidence better than the criminal model.

It is highly probable that IF a political warfare activity was asked to arrange this party for Our Mr. Applebaum, they could quote a very reasonable price and deliver the goods on time. The beauty part: By itself this observation proves nothing, as it is difficult or impossible to prove absent a credible inside source. That's the beauty part of the institution of State Secrecy.

Sadly, more ACKs. And the feminazi zealot types need only the merest of subtle nudges to launch off on righteous tirade journeys, "thinking" that they are "choosing" their pathway of vengeful action. Humans - not entirely unpredictable creatures.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 07/15/2016 02:54 PM, juan wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 02:27:24 -0400 Steve Kinney wrote:

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The absence of any legal proceedings, criminal or civil, seems rather a big data point.

Ah, so, you are a statist pig after all =)

Why don't you cut the crap Steve and pick the explanation where rayzer left it. To recap : rayzer explained nothing, so you can start right at the begining.

I think I already did that?

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Pardon my macroaggression, but there is a very current Identity Politics fad for cutting all Male Pigs down to size,

Yeah, true, and irrelevant.

Looking at the motives and means of people who have opportunities is usually very relevant in determining who did what and why. Of course, that might be inconvenient for anyone who comes in with a preconceived notion that explains it all.

The issue is, pay attention, How is it possible for the amazing, transparent, and 'freedom fighting' tor project to use all those dirty tricks against one of their most amazing transparent and freedom fighting members?

If you don't understand what I am asking because of my obvious and admitedly mediocre command of the english language, ASK FOR CLARIFICATION.

If you don't, and avoid the question like rayzer does, then I'll correctly conclude that you are just as dishonest as he is.

What I see here is an assumption that the TOR Project itself, or some element thereof, would be the actor behind any effort to kick Our Mr. Applebaum out of the project and "activist" communities in general, via a reputation attack. I would not rule that out, but I would include the whole alphabet soup of TLAs on the list of potential suspects. The TOR Drama includes multilateral conflict of interest between the State Department (funding TOR as a vector for transmitting State propaganda to foreign audiences), CIA (a love/hate relationship with TOR; helps some missions, hinders others), the FBI (we hates all nasty TORses, hates them we does), and God knows who else. If the TOR Project ever manages to well and truly piss the State Department off that would mean Big Trouble: Including maybe a huge shake-up like we are seeing now? Just closing it down by pulling the funding would probably not be an option, as that would massively complicate lots of political warfare projects in progress against "regimes" targeted for disposal. The incoming President wouldn't like that, and we know what happens to people who do things she doesn't like.

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It is highly probable that IF a political warfare activity was asked to arrange this party for Our Mr. Applebaum, they could quote a very reasonable price and deliver the goods on time.

So it's just a matter of waiting for the next 'financial report' from tor inc. in order to learn how much the tor project paid to get rid of their accomplice appelbaum?

The report will have an entry like

"psyop against appelbaum.........$300,000*.........CIA"

"*paid through syverson's cayman offshore account"

Now yer just being silly. A project like taking Applebaum down could be paid for out of petty cash and/or by raiding the office coffee fund. :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXiWsKAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqN6kH/jtPcBX6uCODPVRWcL4sMqPx qQkUtwMcJiFYjKZ95pFnl/xOgLoNkR/VlBzRV50Maz6qL9nGT0PMy/UiUt7YJAzx J7SUe/CFDfxJOfmxgdgtBu5TZmA9v8T+R3DEK4X+xZWeDmIZERiP1aYwptTOnHD5 Zn7eQA3fVcMROddtBvQDGG+7Y/dERf6VMmVtwSHj4Oa3mEcbNvZXmPPH1aLbBG2D 16/Hd2ZSMqJcsnkXdw9oo0OboLwrKKl5xjZd/G5UHsAa8L7QO3v914S6PZS0mOW7 SEut6PMGy+DED9I4bYaQNhVk5m2uOGs/myAolGVRyqgZ+Is+JFzTTJnJSI0lIYo= =QNrR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 19:00:27 -0400 Steve Kinney wrote:

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Pardon my macroaggression, but there is a very current Identity Politics fad for cutting all Male Pigs down to size,

Yeah, true, and irrelevant.

Looking at the motives and means of people who have opportunities is usually very relevant in determining who did what and why. Of course, that might be inconvenient for anyone who comes in with a preconceived notion that explains it all.

It's OK to analyze motives and means, I don't dispute that. But means exist to achieve some end, which supposedly is more important than the means. In the case of appelbaum he got metaphorically lynched by politically correct feminists, but what really matters is that a) he got lynched b) by his own employeers c) who are members of the 'good' 'pro-privacy' 'community'.

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The issue is, pay attention, How is it possible for the amazing, transparent, and 'freedom fighting' tor project to use all those dirty tricks against one of their most amazing transparent and freedom fighting members?

What I see here is an assumption that the TOR Project itself, or some element thereof, would be the actor behind any effort to kick Our Mr. Applebaum out of the project

I think we would agree that appelbaum was indeed kicked out, no? We should further agree that the kicking was formally done by the tor project's 'authorties'? So we can safely assume that either those 'authorities' acted on their own accord, or else got their marching orders from sombebody else? And from my point of view, that doesn't make much of a differece anyway. Whether they 'betrayed' appelbaum because they were 'following orders', or not, doesn't change what they did.

and "activist" communities in general, via a reputation attack. I would not rule that out, but I would include the whole alphabet soup of TLAs on the list of potential suspects.

I don't object to that, but I don't think it matters too much who the 'intellectual author' is. Whether it's some feminist bitches who now run at least part of the show, or it's syverson and the general baxter*, the tor project is still a bad joke. * youtube.com/watch?v=L6O6sM2Shok

The TOR Drama includes multilateral conflict of interest between the State Department (funding TOR as a vector for transmitting State propaganda to foreign audiences), CIA (a love/hate relationship with TOR; helps some missions, hinders others), the FBI (we hates all nasty TORses, hates them we does), and God knows who else.

It's obvious that tor helps the state more than it hinders it. Otherwise the state would have never created and tolerated something like it.

If the TOR Project ever manages to well and truly piss the State Department off that would mean Big Trouble: Including maybe a huge shake-up like we are seeing now? Just closing it down by pulling the funding would probably not be an option,

Nobody really wants to close it down. The factional fights inside the state are just for show.

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"psyop against appelbaum.........$300,000*.........CIA"

"*paid through syverson's cayman offshore account"

Now yer just being silly. A project like taking Applebaum down could be paid for out of petty cash and/or by raiding the office coffee fund.

True that =P

:o)

The removal of content is happening since last month, my dear @grarpamp. Lots of strange things are happening and there is evident censorship in some places when you mention Jake's name. This kind of thing makes me feel really upset and I am considering if was correct to avoid cruel gossip, because it is disgusting, vile. "JA group" used this kind of despicable resource, but they are not a good and healthy reference for normal people, with a little bit of ethics. "Decent people", using Quinn's favorite expression. "Sane people", in my own code of ethics. I never asked Jake about this fact, because it would sound disgusting and non sense for him and he already has lots of more relevant worries. I used this embarrassing information for my personal conviction only. We can't use this information in a trial, but I am sure he had no sexual contact or approach with one of the alleged victims because he has a very sensitive nose. Jake is very clean and really cares a lot about personal hygiene. Everybody knows how much he cares about his apparence and his smell always is good, even after a longer talk. A comfortable smell that remembers me "cleanliness", daily baths and use of cleaning products, like soap, shampoo, etc. It is an important detail for a Brazilian person. We do love water and baths. Brazilians usually are considered "bath addicteds" and "maniacs for cleanliness, hygiene products and perfums" in whole world. The girl is knowed in some activist circles for _not_ having an accurate hygiene and for several disgusting intimate smells. One of her ex-lovers, who I've knowed in person, confirmed me it some weeks ago and I really felt bad for her. I don't know her in person and I don't know if she has a disease or just unsanitary, unhygienic habits, but being associated with "sour cream", "rotten cheese" and other bizarre odors is very humilliating. He never had courage to lick any part of her body and left her after two disastrous sexual meetings. Jake never would touch a stinky person in an intimate way. He is too clean for it and he could have sex with a better person very, very easily. Sorry, I can't believe it. He probably would reject her sexual advances, exactly like her ex-lover did. She is a revengeful person and, well, a rejected woman is the Hell in a human form. She said his ex-lover is gay and he doesn't like sex to some people. He is not gay and likes sex a lot, but only with clean women. Not her case! :P It was childish and cruel, but I confess when I was angry, I tried to play with two horrible versions of "Smelly Cat" (one of Phoebe' songs, Friends sitcom), provisionally called "Smelly Pussy" and "Smelly Little Cat" just for making Jake laugh a bit. It was a bad idea and I left it at all. Jake deserves good music and I sing like a banshee dying, uh! :(( (I don't know if it is really used, but they teach a pussy is a "little cat" for foreign people and I just learned it can be a bad word when I tried to explain how much I love puppies and kittens to my ex-boyfriend. I said "I love pussies" and he laughed for a long time before explaining my mistake... d'oh! :P) Tender kisses. Wish you all a lovely day! :* Cecilia, at hospital, in a horrible mood... I've spent my whole week visiting hospitals and strongly wished to die all the times after reading dramatic Russian propaganda. Too much drama and noise because of another corrupt politician, who doesn't support LGBTQ rights and censors philosophers, aff... :((( PS for @Georgi: - Stallman certainly likes scumbags, because is a complete scumbag in some moments. But I swear he is very funny and cute when in the mood! <3 I don't know if Jesus loves @Juan, but later I will share a cute comic book named "Religion - Ruining Everything Since 4004 B.C.". A lovely friend sent me and I read it yesterday, at hospital, while complaining about God's dark humor and bad jokes. It was published under a Creative Commons license and I need to thank the author for being so generous and fun. He made me smile while my temperamental body was rejecting medicines, so his book is good, hihi... ;)

On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 22:27:08 -0400 grarpamp wrote:

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And if anyone has this deleted video, please repost this footage of censored foreign lands to a censorship free location: https://vimeo.com/172360421

Someone has posted this video here. 270MiB. Unknown if it is the original quality or content.

http://player.vimple.ru/iframe/04506a053f124483b8fb05ed73899f19

doesn't work without js it's amazing how a master of hackers like you grarpamp can't even provide a link to some half decent hosting?

On 07/14/2016 02:39 AM, John Newman wrote:

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On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:53 PM, juan wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 23:17:31 -0400 grarpamp wrote:

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https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-project-elects-new-board%C2%A0-director... http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/14/technology/tor-project-a-digital-privacy-g...

Tor guts itself. The 'core' shitbags are all there. They will never 'gut' themselves. Though it would be great if they literally did, japanese-style. Then again, those scumbags are the exact opposite of people with principles.

Roger Dingledine and Nick Mathewson sure as fuck weren't and didn't go anywhere.

What does the board even do to draw their fat salaries? What did Appelbaum even do? Besides talk about Julian Assange every 5 minutes. It seems they have a massive coder-to-manager ratio deficit.

John

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