I think it speaks volumes about how many of this list's posters work for US intel agencies and contractors by the lack of any commenting on your new war with Iran.
Quietly waiting for AP by Muslim Oswald. At 10:27 PM 1/3/2020, you wrote:
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I think it speaks volumes about how many of this list's posters work for US intel agencies and contractors by the lack of any commenting on your new war with Iran.
The amount of libertarians on the list and not to generalize but racist libertarians also ... the history of the list reflects If a white guy is murdered by the state > problem - if a brown guy is murdered by the state they sing hallelujah Libertarians are a strange breed - hey libertarians anti-federal government includes anti-mass murder by the federal government even if the people have brown skin and don’t talk like you On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 10:42 AM John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote:
Quietly waiting for AP by Muslim Oswald.
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+1 sdw On 1/4/20 9:09 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
The amount of libertarians on the list and not to generalize but racist libertarians also ... the history of the list reflects
If a white guy is murdered by the state > problem - if a brown guy is murdered by the state they sing hallelujah
Libertarians are a strange breed - hey libertarians anti-federal government includes anti-mass murder by the federal government even if the people have brown skin and don’t talk like you
On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 10:42 AM John Young <jya@pipeline.com <mailto:jya@pipeline.com>> wrote:
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Is anyone aware that a rather large minority of the residents of the Branch Davidian site (Waco Texas 1993) were black? Both the Federal Government and the MSM (although I don't know if the term "Mainstream Media" existed then) seemed to carefully conceal, or at least didn't publicize, that fact. The Wikipedia article also fails to disclose this fact. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siegeEven this article doesn't mention it: https://www.salon.com/2000/06/19/waco_7/ Sadly, even after 10 minutes of searching, I cannot find references supporting this claim. (BTW, I use the term "black" intentionally. Many of the residents were British, too.) Jim Bell On Saturday, January 4, 2020, 01:06:29 PM PST, Stephen D. Williams <sdw@lig.net> wrote: +1 sdw On 1/4/20 9:09 AM, Cari Machet wrote: The amount of libertarians on the list and not to generalize but racist libertarians also ... the history of the list reflects If a white guy is murdered by the state > problem - if a brown guy is murdered by the state they sing hallelujah Libertarians are a strange breed - hey libertarians anti-federal government includes anti-mass murder by the federal government even if the people have brown skin and don’t talk like you On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 10:42 AM John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote: Quietly waiting for AP by Muslim Oswald. At 10:27 PM 1/3/2020, you wrote:
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Black folks, and latinos, are attracted to Pentecostalalism and apocalyptic cults (seeking escape from cultural oppression, jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire), lotteries (hoping to escape economic oppression, out of the frying pan...) and total scam artists like Reverend Ike (because except for prostitution... see last parenthetical comment. What's your point anyway dick-for-brains? Koresh wasn't an American libertarian... He was a phantasm of Stephen Gaskin's nightmares, and you can't make him one by honorarium. Rr On 1/4/20 2:56 PM, jim bell wrote:
Is anyone aware that a rather large minority of the residents of the Branch Davidian site (Waco Texas 1993) were black? Both the Federal Government and the MSM (although I don't know if the term "Mainstream Media" existed then) seemed to carefully conceal, or at least didn't publicize, that fact. The Wikipedia article also fails to disclose this fact. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege Even this article doesn't mention it: https://www.salon.com/2000/06/19/waco_7/
Sadly, even after 10 minutes of searching, I cannot find references supporting this claim.
(BTW, I use the term "black" intentionally. Many of the residents were British, too.)
Jim Bell
On Saturday, January 4, 2020, 01:06:29 PM PST, Stephen D. Williams <sdw@lig.net> wrote:
+1
sdw
On 1/4/20 9:09 AM, Cari Machet wrote: The amount of libertarians on the list and not to generalize but racist libertarians also ... the history of the list reflects
If a white guy is murdered by the state > problem - if a brown guy is murdered by the state they sing hallelujah
Libertarians are a strange breed - hey libertarians anti-federal government includes anti-mass murder by the federal government even if the people have brown skin and don’t talk like you
On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 10:42 AM John Young <jya@pipeline.com <mailto:jya@pipeline.com>> wrote:
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Hey Stephen wazzzz upA -------- Original Message -------- On Jan 4, 2020, 12:57 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
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On 1/4/20 9:09 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
The amount of libertarians on the list and not to generalize but racist libertarians also ... the history of the list reflects
If a white guy is murdered by the state > problem - if a brown guy is murdered by the state they sing hallelujah
Libertarians are a strange breed - hey libertarians anti-federal government includes anti-mass murder by the federal government even if the people have brown skin and don’t talk like you
On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 10:42 AM John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote:
Quietly waiting for AP by Muslim Oswald.
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I think it speaks volumes about how many of this list's posters work for US intel agencies and contractors by the lack of any commenting on your new war with Iran.
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On 1/4/20 8:45 AM, John Young wrote:
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At 10:27 PM 1/3/2020, you wrote:
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I think it speaks volumes about how many of this list's posters work for US intel agencies and contractors by the lack of any commenting on your new war with Iran.
"There is no existing congressional authorization for the use of force against Iran. While some in the Trump administration, including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, have made arguments attempting to link Iran and al-Qaeda — in what may be an effort to lay the groundwork for invoking the 2001 AUMF, which was passed in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, as authorization to use force against Iran — that argument is
Along those lines.. from a fb post addressed to the local 'drainbow' infestation, with location redacted, not that my location is supersecret but why publish it? In relation to "After killing of Iranian general, California authorities boost security, eye Iranian assets" -LA Times https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-01-03/killing-of-iranian-gener... "As I was saying yesterday, addressing all those Apolitical retarded #drainbows that pass for "hippies" in #XXXXX... Are you aware of how many Iraqis and Iranians attend UC-X? Your government just started a war with their home nations, Tard. The state in general is home to a huge number of them... Expats mostly who might not care for the 'regimes' (quotes intentional) that govern their nations today, but now they might like YOU even less, Tard. You can use people like Tsarnaev, the "Boston Marathon Bomber", an expat college student whose family helped the US in it's dirty war on Russia an as an example of what the feds expect. I KNOW you're gonna say "Great! Less surveillance on ME!". I say: "That's because you're a narcissistic scumbag." You can take that quote to the bank, scumbag." And you see? I'm not one bit nicer on Farcebook. Rr Ps. The US also attacked Iraqi troops yesterday. Pentagon-Gone-Wild enabled by someone obviously unfit to carry out the duties of the office of US president. I read multiple National Security postings from Brookings and elsewhere and they all agree that there is no actual legal protection for what occurred in US law OR the 2001/2002 AUMFs, which Brookings made very clear... Let me quote: thoroughly unconvincing. The 2001 AUMF authorizes the president to use:
“necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.”
This has long been understood to refer to al-Qaeda and the Taliban, who harbored al-Qaeda in Afghanistan at the time of the 9/11 attacks, and also has been interpreted by all three branches of government to apply to “associated forces” of those two armed groups based on the principle of co-belligerency in armed conflict. As we have previously written: “The 2001 AUMF does not authorize the use of force against Iran. Iran was not implicated in the 9/11 attacks, Iranian forces are not al Qaeda or the Taliban, or their associated forces, nor are they a ‘successor’ to any of those forces.” Many have suggested that Pompeo and other officials may be laying the groundwork for an argument that the 2001 AUMF authorizes military operations against Iran because Iran is “harboring” some members of al-Qaeda. As a factual matter, we are not aware of any credible information that Iran is “harboring” al-Qaeda as a group, or allowing al-Qaeda to plot attacks from Iran. As a legal matter, the AUMF has never been construed to authorize military attacks against a foreign nation based on the fact that some al Qaeda members may be located in or transit that country, even if that is the case with Iran. In addition, the AUMF’s use of the past tense — “harbored” — suggests that it was intended to refer to those who were responsible for providing safe haven for, and otherwise assisting, those who attacked the United States on Sept. 11, 2001. In the 20 years since the 9/11 attacks, there has not been any suggestion that the 2001 AUMF could be interpreted to authorize force against a present-day “harborer.” (Again, there is no known evidence to suggest that is what Iran is doing with al-Qaeda.) The 2001 AUMF authorizes force only if it is consistent with international law, as the Supreme Court explained in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld. Even if the 2001 AUMF were somehow thought to apply to Iran — which it does not — the executive branch would be able to use force against Iran only if necessary and proportionate to the specific threat from al-Qaeda. In a House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing on June 19, Rep. Deutch (D-Fl.) asked State Department Special Representative for Iran, Brian Hook, whether he believes “the administration could launch an attack against Iran under the 2001 AUMF?” His response, “this is something which the office of the Legal Adviser can give you an opinion on, if you’d like to submit it,” provides an appropriate next step for Congress to engage with the administration on this issue. Finally, it bears noting that there is no viable argument that another AUMF still on the books — the “Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002” (2002 AUMF) — authorizes force against Iran. It allows the president to use force that is “necessary and appropriate” to “defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq;” and “enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions against Iraq.” Those are plainly not relevant to the situation with Iran today." A LOT more: https://www.justsecurity.org/64645/top-experts-backgrounder-military-action-...
On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 19:27:45 -0800 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
I think it speaks volumes about how many of this list's posters work for US intel agencies and contractors by the lack of any commenting on your new war with Iran.
I personally don't want to hear more bad news. On the other hand, shouldn't govt agents be praising kaptain amerika and his glorious slaughter of infidels?
On 1/4/20 10:06 AM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 19:27:45 -0800 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
I think it speaks volumes about how many of this list's posters work for US intel agencies and contractors by the lack of any commenting on your new war with Iran. I personally don't want to hear more bad news. On the other hand, shouldn't govt agents be praising kaptain amerika and his glorious slaughter of infidels?
Not really. They're really REALLY busy figuring out when the next "lockerbie" is going to happen. "There is a historic example of how Iran reacts to such U.S. provocations. The U.S. attack: Iran Air Flight 655 was a scheduled passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai via Bandar Abbas, that was shot down on 3 July 1988 by an SM-2MR surface-to-air missile fired from USS Vincennes, a guided missile cruiser of the United States Navy. The aircraft, an Airbus A300, was destroyed and all 290 people on board, including 66 children, were killed. The Iranian retribution: Pan Am Flight 103 was a regularly scheduled Pan Am transatlantic flight from Frankfurt to Detroit via London and New York. On 21 December 1988, N739PA, the aircraft operating the transatlantic leg of the route was destroyed by a bomb, killing all 243 passengers and 16 crew in what became known as the Lockerbie bombing. The Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corp (IRGC) claimed to be responsible for the bombing of the plane. It had used a Palestinian cutout in Lebanon to plant the bomb. But for political reasons the official investigation was manipulated and the blame for the Lockerbie bombing was put on Libya's leader Muammar Gaddafi who had absolutely nothing to do with it. The murder of the passengers and crew of Iran Air Flight 655 and the retribution for it were five and a half month apart. This gives us a hint of how long it might take for Iran to prepare the retribution for the U.S. assassination of Major General Qassem Soleimani. There is also the political calender that has to be considered. If an Iranian revenge act is of a kind that could help Trump to get reelected it must wait until after the U.S. election. If the revenge act is of a kind that could hurt Trump's poll numbers it must come during the last few months of the campaign. We will know that it has happened when this flag comes down: (Image: Red Flag Unfurled Over The Holy Dome Of Jamkarān Mosque, Qom Iran. Red Flag: A Symbol Of Severe Battle To Come.)" My advice is "Ignore 'bad news' at your own risk", and cancel any air travel plans, punk. Ignorance kills... You. Rr
Based on DoD and CIA advice, JFK figured US had scared RU/Cuba into military submission, badly warned about sleeper snipers (FBI's punk not our giant). This lesson was taken to heart by Bush and Obama who rightly figured natsec pros expected to profit from collateral damage to skeptics. Bush ignorantly invited 9/11, fooled by bloodthirty Cheney. Obama laid low, snot hoops. Trump brags about never listening to experts, got a bit of swag from Al Baghdadi whack. Appears to be on ego enhancing pharmas and panderers. So was JFK.
On 01/04/2020 12:05 PM, John Young wrote: <SNIP>
Trump brags about never listening to experts, got a bit of swag from Al Baghdadi whack. Appears to be on ego enhancing pharmas and panderers. So was JFK.
Interesting parallel there. JFK was on some mix of opiates, barbituates and amphetamines. Dog knows what Trump is on. Also, both JFK and Trump came from wealth. Indeed, JFK came from ~criminal wealth. And he was quite the sex freak, maybe more than Trump. I'm guessing that neither were above fucking the occasional tween. However, JFK didn't run his moth off like Trump does. And he at least pretended to be respectable.
On 1/4/20 12:26 PM, Mirimir wrote:
On 01/04/2020 12:05 PM, John Young wrote:
<SNIP>
Trump brags about never listening to experts, got a bit of swag from Al Baghdadi whack. Appears to be on ego enhancing pharmas and panderers. So was JFK. Interesting parallel there. JFK was on some mix of opiates, barbituates and amphetamines. Dog knows what Trump is on.
Also, both JFK and Trump came from wealth. Indeed, JFK came from ~criminal wealth. And he was quite the sex freak, maybe more than Trump. I'm guessing that neither were above fucking the occasional tween.
However, JFK didn't run his moth off like Trump does. And he at least pretended to be respectable.
Methedrine and B-12 injections were all the rage in DC at the time. WHEEEE! Anything is possible, including a 'limited' nuclear war with Russia over Cuba! JFK had been a legal speedfreak for a long time due to his WWII back injury. Methamphetamine decreases tissue swelling. That's it's legit medical use, and that's what it does to your brain too. That smile on his face was a 'glued on smile' of someone made an idiot by ther meds. About 'listening to experts'. Speigel's article on the Soleimani hit mentioned this is what happens when you run a government without experts. Not that experts would have accomplished anything besides slowing down an inevitability until such a time as they considered an action against Iran 'winnable'. Just Security (Brookings) claims there is no such US law or ANY AUMF that would have allowed for this hit. They made that VERY clear. They also claim that 'preemption' of an alleged attack isn't legit. In excruciating detail... https://www.justsecurity.org/64645/top-experts-backgrounder-military-action-... Trump gave the Pentagon a long illegal leash and they just made themselves war criminals without protection of even US law. Pepe Escobar on FB a few hours ago sums up the gravity of the situation; "THE AMERICANS KNEW SOLEIMANI CAME TO BAGHDAD AS A DIPLOMAT - AND THEY KILLED HIM ANYWAY Reconfirmed with Iraqi intel sources: the US military command at Baghdad airport was OFFICIALLY informed that Soleimani would arrive in Baghdad AS A DIPLOMAT, to advise the command of the Iraqi armed forces. So the Americans killed a diplomat on an official mission. This not only reiterates what we all knew about Exceptionalist Cowardice. It points to the fact that now it's really the law of the jungle. ANYONE is free to snuff out a diplo-Yankee anywhere. Blowback WILL be a bitch." As far as outcomes. The shooting down of an Iranian airliner resulted in a Pan Am flight blown out of the sky over lockerbie (which was falsely blamed on Gadaffi), so by extension the killing of Soleimani will result in the endangerment of any US soldier or diplomat on Earth no matter their stationing or appointment. Pepe Escobar also says there's a Red battle flag flying over the main mosque in Tehran, and you'll know revenge happened when the flag comes down I'd say Trump and the Pentagon officials who ok-ed the operation committed treason by illegally endangering Americans. Rr
On 1/4/20 7:29 PM, Mirimir wrote:
On 01/04/2020 08:02 PM, Razer wrote:
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I'd say Trump and the Pentagon officials who ok-ed the operation committed treason by illegally endangering Americans. That's what I said about 9/11. Not that it made me very popular.
My take on 9/11, which isn't very popular here, is that it was a 'crime of omission'. They KNEW something was up and didn't do spit. Here it's quite apparent a crime was committed and they admitted it. Rr
On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 20:29:58 -0700 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 01/04/2020 08:02 PM, Razer wrote:
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I'd say Trump and the Pentagon officials who ok-ed the operation committed treason by illegally endangering Americans.
That's what I said about 9/11. Not that it made me very popular.
has the leader of the free world, mr trumpo, betrayed goldman-sachs, the rothschilds, isreal, facebook, google, or even the second-tier non-chosen factions of US govcorp? No, he has not. So what kind of 'treason' had mr trumpo possibly commited? None. likewise, how did the US military bombing of the so called 'world trade center' affect the interests of goldman-sachs, isreal and the rest of US govcorp? Those interests were of course very greatly advanced by the 9/11 false flag attack. Again, there isn't any act of treason in sight. you're welcome =)
On 01/04/2020 09:07 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 20:29:58 -0700 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 01/04/2020 08:02 PM, Razer wrote:
<SNIP>
I'd say Trump and the Pentagon officials who ok-ed the operation committed treason by illegally endangering Americans.
That's what I said about 9/11. Not that it made me very popular.
<SNIP>
likewise, how did the US military bombing of the so called 'world trade center' affect the interests of goldman-sachs, isreal and the rest of US govcorp? Those interests were of course very greatly advanced by the 9/11 false flag attack. Again, there isn't any act of treason in sight.
you're welcome =)
The false flag explanation is way too contrived and implausible. For one thing, there's just too much evidence that implicates al-Qaeda. And yes, I know that al-Qaeda started out as a CIA operation. But it seems more likely that they went rogue. Although it is possible that the CIA did 9/11, as part of some bizarre power struggle -- or yes, a false flag. But more likely the Sauds or close friends were behind it, and just not funding it as part of their fundamentalist education network. I saw it as well deserved payback for at least a century of fucking with other countries. While playing a world cop in a white hat. And I was like "Hey, suck it up! You just lost a few damn buildings that hardly anyone ever really liked. I mean, the US is the only country that has ever used nuclear weapons on heavily populated areas. And with the USSR, threatened the world with nuclear holocaust for several decades. Not to mention displacing Great Britain in the Middle East after WWII, and totally fucking shit up. And yes, I agree with Razer that the Bush administration screwed the pooch. By ignoring evidence that the attacks were immanent.
On Sat, Jan 04, 2020 at 09:51:45PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
On 01/04/2020 09:07 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 20:29:58 -0700 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 01/04/2020 08:02 PM, Razer wrote:
<SNIP>
I'd say Trump and the Pentagon officials who ok-ed the operation committed treason by illegally endangering Americans.
That's what I said about 9/11. Not that it made me very popular.
<SNIP>
likewise, how did the US military bombing of the so called 'world trade center' affect the interests of goldman-sachs, isreal and the rest of US govcorp? Those interests were of course very greatly advanced by the 9/11 false flag attack. Again, there isn't any act of treason in sight.
you're welcome =)
The false flag explanation is way too contrived and implausible.
For one thing, there's just too much evidence that implicates al-Qaeda.
And yes, I know that al-Qaeda started out as a CIA operation. But it seems more likely that they went rogue.
Until there is indisputable evidence that al-Qaeda did actually go rogue, and that al-Qaeda was not trained and managed by Israeli's, then why assume something we don't know, when the present facts are entirely sufficient? That would be ... a conspiracy theory.
Although it is possible that the CIA did 9/11, as part of some bizarre power struggle -- or yes, a false flag.
What's wrong with the simple mundane explanation - the Jewish stocktake? Why try to explain with complicated connections, what simple monetary benefits demonstrate prima facie? Not only the insurance claims, but trillion$ of debt disappeared in the twin towers paperwork, sorry, I mean building #7 :D Colour me cynical...
But more likely the Sauds or close friends were behind it, and just not funding it as part of their fundamentalist education network.
Convenient scape goats - the operation may have even been so successful as to have the Sauds self convinced of guilt. If you still believe the Saudis "did it" - coordination, planning, communication, execution - under the noses of the CIA and the FBI - well, I got a bridge to sell ya. Oh, and building 7 :D
I saw it as well deserved payback for at least a century of fucking with other countries. While playing a world cop in a white hat. And I was like "Hey, suck it up! You just lost a few damn buildings that hardly anyone ever really liked.
I mean, the US is the only country that has ever used nuclear weapons on heavily populated areas. And with the USSR, threatened the world with nuclear holocaust for several decades. Not to mention displacing Great Britain in the Middle East after WWII, and totally fucking shit up.
And yes, I agree with Razer that the Bush administration screwed the pooch. By ignoring evidence that the attacks were immanent.
s/ignoring/"ignoring"/FTFY
On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 21:51:45 -0700 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 01/04/2020 09:07 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 20:29:58 -0700 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 01/04/2020 08:02 PM, Razer wrote:
<SNIP>
I'd say Trump and the Pentagon officials who ok-ed the operation committed treason by illegally endangering Americans.
That's what I said about 9/11. Not that it made me very popular.
<SNIP>
likewise, how did the US military bombing of the so called 'world trade center' affect the interests of goldman-sachs, isreal and the rest of US govcorp? Those interests were of course very greatly advanced by the 9/11 false flag attack. Again, there isn't any act of treason in sight.
you're welcome =)
The false flag explanation is way too contrived and implausible.
For one thing, there's just too much evidence that implicates al-Qaeda.
if by evidence you mean more pentagon propaganda then yes, I agree =)
And yes, I know that al-Qaeda started out as a CIA operation. But it seems more likely that they went rogue. Although it is possible that the CIA did 9/11, as part of some bizarre power struggle -- or yes, a false flag. But more likely the Sauds or close friends were behind it, and just not funding it as part of their fundamentalist education network.
but aren't the saudis allegedly close to the US government? (meaning, it's even less plausible that the US govt didn't know what their accomplices were planning)
I saw it as well deserved payback for at least a century of fucking with other countries. While playing a world cop in a white hat. And I was like "Hey, suck it up! You just lost a few damn buildings that hardly anyone ever really liked.
A century of fucking with other countries. Plus the previous century of slavery and fuckign with other countries and invading what today passes as the 'US', etc. As far as payback goes it was well deserved but the amount was ridiculously small. So the amount of damage doesn't really count as payback but on the other hand it was the perfect excuse for the current US global surveillance state...
I mean, the US is the only country that has ever used nuclear weapons on heavily populated areas. And with the USSR, threatened the world with nuclear holocaust for several decades. Not to mention displacing Great Britain in the Middle East after WWII, and totally fucking shit up.
And yes, I agree with Razer that the Bush administration screwed the pooch. By ignoring evidence that the attacks were immanent.
half by chance I found this https://www.inquirer.com/business/money-laundering-cocaine-marijuana-paragua... 'Tarragó and Va agreed to accept at least $2 million from undercover agents who purported to be narcotics traffickers." "Tarragó and Va traveled to New Jersey and Florida on several occasions and accepted about $800,000 in cash from the purported drug traffickers." I actually found the news here https://www.abc.com.py/especiales/anuario-2019/2019/12/18/la-justicia-que-vi... the spanish version is more detailed and it makes it clear that the retarded politician from paraguay and the US pigs engaged in 'money laundering'. Point being, the wholy typical modus operandi of the US govt is conceptually the same as a 'false flag'. The US govt invents 'criminals' and then 'catches' them. just another sample from the time greenwalwd pretended to be decent The FBI again thwarts its own Terror plot https://www.salon.com/2011/09/29/fbi_terror/
On 01/04/2020 10:20 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 21:51:45 -0700 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 01/04/2020 09:07 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 20:29:58 -0700 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 01/04/2020 08:02 PM, Razer wrote:
<SNIP>
I'd say Trump and the Pentagon officials who ok-ed the operation committed treason by illegally endangering Americans.
That's what I said about 9/11. Not that it made me very popular.
<SNIP>
likewise, how did the US military bombing of the so called 'world trade center' affect the interests of goldman-sachs, isreal and the rest of US govcorp? Those interests were of course very greatly advanced by the 9/11 false flag attack. Again, there isn't any act of treason in sight.
you're welcome =)
The false flag explanation is way too contrived and implausible.
For one thing, there's just too much evidence that implicates al-Qaeda.
if by evidence you mean more pentagon propaganda then yes, I agree =)
That's possible, I agree. I just don't think that it's as likely.
And yes, I know that al-Qaeda started out as a CIA operation. But it seems more likely that they went rogue. Although it is possible that the CIA did 9/11, as part of some bizarre power struggle -- or yes, a false flag. But more likely the Sauds or close friends were behind it, and just not funding it as part of their fundamentalist education network.
but aren't the saudis allegedly close to the US government? (meaning, it's even less plausible that the US govt didn't know what their accomplices were planning)
Saudi Arabia and Israel are the major US assets in the Middle East. But I think that it's misleading to call them "close". They've both had the US by the balls since WWII at least. The Saudis because oil, and the Israelis because so many politically active and wealthy Jews in the US. So it's a cluster fuck, with everyone playing everyone else. And it's suspicious that Israel is "closer" to Saudi Arabia than to any other country in the area. But I have no clue what that's about. Also, none of these countries are monolithic. And it's possible that some factions from all three allied to do 9/11 as a pretext for more fuckery in the Middle East. Given that the Soviet Union had collapsed, and Russia was in chaos, and they needed major enemies to justify their funding and influence.
I saw it as well deserved payback for at least a century of fucking with other countries. While playing a world cop in a white hat. And I was like "Hey, suck it up! You just lost a few damn buildings that hardly anyone ever really liked.
A century of fucking with other countries. Plus the previous century of slavery and fuckign with other countries and invading what today passes as the 'US', etc. As far as payback goes it was well deserved but the amount was ridiculously small. So the amount of damage doesn't really count as payback but on the other hand it was the perfect excuse for the current US global surveillance state...
Yeah, centuries of fucking. "US out of North America now!" and all that. And yeah, it was a perfect excuse for the US to reassert world dominance. However, doing an outright false flag is simplistic and crude, and risky if it comes out. It's much better to manipulate your enemies to do stuff that provides the excuse. An "indirect false flag". I mean, it's arguable that the US manipulated Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor. Or earlier, manipulated Germany into sinking US shipping in WWI, which provided the pretext to join the war. It's all about building public support for a war. Selling it as defense, not aggression.
I mean, the US is the only country that has ever used nuclear weapons on heavily populated areas. And with the USSR, threatened the world with nuclear holocaust for several decades. Not to mention displacing Great Britain in the Middle East after WWII, and totally fucking shit up.
And yes, I agree with Razer that the Bush administration screwed the pooch. By ignoring evidence that the attacks were immanent.
half by chance I found this
https://www.inquirer.com/business/money-laundering-cocaine-marijuana-paragua...
'Tarragó and Va agreed to accept at least $2 million from undercover agents who purported to be narcotics traffickers."
"Tarragó and Va traveled to New Jersey and Florida on several occasions and accepted about $800,000 in cash from the purported drug traffickers."
I actually found the news here
https://www.abc.com.py/especiales/anuario-2019/2019/12/18/la-justicia-que-vi...
the spanish version is more detailed and it makes it clear that the retarded politician from paraguay and the US pigs engaged in 'money laundering'. Point being, the wholy typical modus operandi of the US govt is conceptually the same as a 'false flag'. The US govt invents 'criminals' and then 'catches' them.
just another sample from the time greenwalwd pretended to be decent
The FBI again thwarts its own Terror plot https://www.salon.com/2011/09/29/fbi_terror/
Yes, they do that a lot.
On Sun, Jan 05, 2020 at 01:07:32AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 20:29:58 -0700 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 01/04/2020 08:02 PM, Razer wrote:
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I'd say Trump and the Pentagon officials who ok-ed the operation committed treason by illegally endangering Americans.
That's what I said about 9/11. Not that it made me very popular.
has the leader of the free world, mr trumpo, betrayed goldman-sachs, the rothschilds, isreal, facebook, google, or even the second-tier non-chosen factions of US govcorp? No, he has not. So what kind of 'treason' had mr trumpo possibly commited? None.
likewise, how did the US military bombing of the so called 'world trade center' affect the interests of goldman-sachs, isreal and the rest of US govcorp? Those interests were of course very greatly advanced by the 9/11 false flag attack. Again, there isn't any act of treason in sight.
you're welcome =)
Indeed, quite apropos. And it sure is fortunate for Israel that the Iranians appear to continually fail to witness that the USA is a dog, Israel's bitch, being repeatedly wagged by the tail, into war. It's fortunate for Israel, because if Iran REALLY knew what they were doing with asymmetric warfare, it would not be USA folks of any colour that they would target in response to the murder of Soleimani - but it appears that Iran prefers to tackle the dying empire USA head on, rather than this one little indigenous Middle Eastern tribe... Let it be said, Iran should NOT target Israel or any Israeli people or assets, in any sort of response to "America"'s murder of Soleimani. Iran MUST remember that it is America, and NOT Israel, that is desperate for a war against Iran, so Iran MUST target America and NOT Israel, as Israel has absolutely NOTHING to do with the mess in the Middle East! Fortunately (for Israel), it seems the Iranians just aren't smart enough to keep their eye on their own ball. [One wonders whether Trump's "bomb Iran" trigger (the killed "American contractor" in Iraq) was in fact a dual citizen Israeli, or merely a sacrificial pawn given by Israeli intelligence...] Dang Fed desperate for moar war... only thing that'll keep the dollar a rigid, upstanding fiat for a little longer... Member the Fed, muffas!
Here's another of those "Look how close they put their country to our military bases - how DARE they!" maps. AKA, the real reason Israel, sorry I mean the USA, is eternally trying to bring on major war against Iran and Syria: Iraq Votes To Expel US Troops As Iranian MPs Chant "Death To America" https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/iranian-mps-chant-death-america-iraq-... ... Meanwhile, as the Iraqi government voted, the Iranian parliament took to the Parliament podium to chant "death to America." [Article is short - worth reading.] Zerohedge again shows their true neocon colours: Lindsey Graham Blasts "Loser" Kaepernick's "Racist, Un-American" Comments https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/colin-kaepernick-slams-trumps-racist-... Just as well Iran does not realise the Israeli tail wagging the American dog - that would really be a bad thing for Israel if Iran acted in response to the true puppet string puller behind the scenes. Interesting times... On Sat, Jan 04, 2020 at 10:11:19AM -0800, Razer wrote:
On 1/4/20 10:06 AM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 19:27:45 -0800 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
I think it speaks volumes about how many of this list's posters work for US intel agencies and contractors by the lack of any commenting on your new war with Iran. I personally don't want to hear more bad news. On the other hand, shouldn't govt agents be praising kaptain amerika and his glorious slaughter of infidels?
Not really. They're really REALLY busy figuring out when the next "lockerbie" is going to happen.
"There is a historic example of how Iran reacts to such U.S. provocations.
The U.S. attack:
Iran Air Flight 655 was a scheduled passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai via Bandar Abbas, that was shot down on 3 July 1988 by an SM-2MR surface-to-air missile fired from USS Vincennes, a guided missile cruiser of the United States Navy. The aircraft, an Airbus A300, was destroyed and all 290 people on board, including 66 children, were killed.
The Iranian retribution:
Pan Am Flight 103 was a regularly scheduled Pan Am transatlantic flight from Frankfurt to Detroit via London and New York. On 21 December 1988, N739PA, the aircraft operating the transatlantic leg of the route was destroyed by a bomb, killing all 243 passengers and 16 crew in what became known as the Lockerbie bombing.
The Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corp (IRGC) claimed to be responsible for the bombing of the plane. It had used a Palestinian cutout in Lebanon to plant the bomb. But for political reasons the official investigation was manipulated and the blame for the Lockerbie bombing was put on Libya's leader Muammar Gaddafi who had absolutely nothing to do with it.
The murder of the passengers and crew of Iran Air Flight 655 and the retribution for it were five and a half month apart. This gives us a hint of how long it might take for Iran to prepare the retribution for the U.S. assassination of Major General Qassem Soleimani. There is also the political calender that has to be considered. If an Iranian revenge act is of a kind that could help Trump to get reelected it must wait until after the U.S. election. If the revenge act is of a kind that could hurt Trump's poll numbers it must come during the last few months of the campaign.
We will know that it has happened when this flag comes down:
(Image: Red Flag Unfurled Over The Holy Dome Of Jamkarān Mosque, Qom Iran. Red Flag: A Symbol Of Severe Battle To Come.)"
My advice is "Ignore 'bad news' at your own risk", and cancel any air travel plans, punk. Ignorance kills... You.
Rr
The following is really very sophisticated propaganda spin, but is loaded with facts - so as long as you read between the lines of empire propaganda, it's actually very interesting, e.g.: The once shining state of Lebanon is practically decimated through the rise of his [Soleimani's] Hezbollah, a fate he was replicating in Iraq. And then there’s Yemen and his Houthi and their simultaneous war against Saudi Arabia and their own people. And of course Israel where he kept the Jewish state in a crossfire between his clients Hamas, Islamic Jihad and, again Hezbollah (when Hezbollah was not busy exporting drugs into the United States). Ahah! So the CIA and USA MIC drug rat lines were bringing in their dark money drug wholesale ... from Soleimani (at least in part)! Abso-firetruckingly amazing! The admissions that come from the deep state when they want to make someone they just murdered look bad, is stunning indeed. The first thought was "it's propaganda, so don't send this to snowflakes", but there are so many facts in this article, it's entirely likely to trigger them to high water and back, which is good for the giggles if nothing else - and what's bad about getting facts out there? Dunno on this one ... use discretion I guess. Trump Derangement Syndrome Skyrockets Over Soleimani https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-derangement-syndrome-skyrockets-ov... https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-derangement-syndrome-skyrockets-over-sol... For a comedic take on the evils of Soleimani: The True Crimes of Qasem Soleimani (Abridged List) http://dstormer6em3i4km.onion/the-true-crimes-of-qasem-soleimani-abridged-li... Iran: Just Like Ari Fleischer and Paul Joseph Watson Said, Iranians are Celebrating in the Streets Because of Democracy [ this one's quite amazing to see all the photos - tens of thousands mourning in the streets for Soleimani - imagine the possibility of anything like that in the West ] http://dstormer6em3i4km.onion/iran-just-like-ari-fleischer-and-paul-joseph-w... Donald Trump’s Reelection May Hinge on His Ability to Fulfill His Campaign Promise to Start a War with Iran http://dstormer6em3i4km.onion/donald-trumps-reelection-may-hinge-on-his-abil... GREAT NEWS: Israel Stands with the United States in Their Terrorist Campaign! http://dstormer6em3i4km.onion/great-news-israel-stands-with-the-united-state... We’ve got great news. The entire world is certainly opposed to Trump’s plan to launch a proxy war with Iran in Iraq, but the only country that matters in the whole world supports us. Always, our greatest ally. [ remember, Netanyahu cosied up to the USA's Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, just a few days ago (just prior to Soleimani murder): Pompeo Thanks Netanyahu for ‘Unwavering’ Commitment to Counter Iran Amid Baghdad Embassy Attack 10:40 02.01.2020 https://sputniknews.com/world/202001021077919238-pompeo-thanks-netanyahu-for... Pompeo meets Netanyahu in Israel after Turkey visit 18.10.2019 - 17:04 https://www.ensonhaber.com/en/politics/pompeo-meets-netanyahu-in-israel-afte... https://www.yahoo.com/news/israels-netanyahu-discuss-iran-deal-pompeo-111531... AFP•April 29, 2018 Trump asked Bibi Netanyahu if he REALLY wants peace in the Middle East 24 April 2018 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5648195/Trump-asked-Bibi-Netanyahu-... TV: Netanyahu wanted to join Pompeo on Morocco visit, but king refused 6 December 2019, 10:15 pm https://www.timesofisrael.com/tv-netanyahu-wanted-to-join-pompeo-on-morocco-... Pompeo: If Bibi Wants a Fascist Government, Fine by Us February 25, 2019 https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2019/02/25/pompeo-if-bibi-wants-a-fascist... ‘Iran, Iran, Iran’: In twitter rant, Bibi cheers Pompeo's ultimatum to Tehran 22 May, 2018 21:03 https://www.rt.com/news/427473-netanyahu-iran-twitter-rant/ “What Bibi wants, Bibi gets,” writes Pat Buchanan. But war with Iran is not what either U.S. national interests or Trump’s political interests want or need. April 16, 2019 https://americanfreepress.net/where-trumps-and-bibis-interests-clash/ ] Just remember folks ... all the talk of how many "brown and black people and Americans and Israelis" that Soleimani supposedly "killed" ... well at least when it comes to America we must ask: exactly what the f^@k are we doing in the middle east in the first place, making ourselves targets and swinging our military d!@k in most of the world's face? Oh, that's right, bringing democracy and (((values))). On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 02:29:12PM +1100, Zigger da Bigga Trigga N.gga wrote:
Here's another of those "Look how close they put their country to our military bases - how DARE they!" maps.
AKA, the real reason Israel, sorry I mean the USA, is eternally trying to bring on major war against Iran and Syria:
Iraq Votes To Expel US Troops As Iranian MPs Chant "Death To America" https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/iranian-mps-chant-death-america-iraq-...
... Meanwhile, as the Iraqi government voted, the Iranian parliament took to the Parliament podium to chant "death to America."
[Article is short - worth reading.]
Zerohedge again shows their true neocon colours:
Lindsey Graham Blasts "Loser" Kaepernick's "Racist, Un-American" Comments https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/colin-kaepernick-slams-trumps-racist-...
Just as well Iran does not realise the Israeli tail wagging the American dog - that would really be a bad thing for Israel if Iran acted in response to the true puppet string puller behind the scenes.
Interesting times...
On Sat, Jan 04, 2020 at 10:11:19AM -0800, Razer wrote:
On 1/4/20 10:06 AM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 19:27:45 -0800 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
I think it speaks volumes about how many of this list's posters work for US intel agencies and contractors by the lack of any commenting on your new war with Iran. I personally don't want to hear more bad news. On the other hand, shouldn't govt agents be praising kaptain amerika and his glorious slaughter of infidels?
Not really. They're really REALLY busy figuring out when the next "lockerbie" is going to happen.
"There is a historic example of how Iran reacts to such U.S. provocations.
The U.S. attack:
Iran Air Flight 655 was a scheduled passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai via Bandar Abbas, that was shot down on 3 July 1988 by an SM-2MR surface-to-air missile fired from USS Vincennes, a guided missile cruiser of the United States Navy. The aircraft, an Airbus A300, was destroyed and all 290 people on board, including 66 children, were killed.
The Iranian retribution:
Pan Am Flight 103 was a regularly scheduled Pan Am transatlantic flight from Frankfurt to Detroit via London and New York. On 21 December 1988, N739PA, the aircraft operating the transatlantic leg of the route was destroyed by a bomb, killing all 243 passengers and 16 crew in what became known as the Lockerbie bombing.
The Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corp (IRGC) claimed to be responsible for the bombing of the plane. It had used a Palestinian cutout in Lebanon to plant the bomb. But for political reasons the official investigation was manipulated and the blame for the Lockerbie bombing was put on Libya's leader Muammar Gaddafi who had absolutely nothing to do with it.
The murder of the passengers and crew of Iran Air Flight 655 and the retribution for it were five and a half month apart. This gives us a hint of how long it might take for Iran to prepare the retribution for the U.S. assassination of Major General Qassem Soleimani. There is also the political calender that has to be considered. If an Iranian revenge act is of a kind that could help Trump to get reelected it must wait until after the U.S. election. If the revenge act is of a kind that could hurt Trump's poll numbers it must come during the last few months of the campaign.
We will know that it has happened when this flag comes down:
(Image: Red Flag Unfurled Over The Holy Dome Of Jamkarān Mosque, Qom Iran. Red Flag: A Symbol Of Severe Battle To Come.)"
My advice is "Ignore 'bad news' at your own risk", and cancel any air travel plans, punk. Ignorance kills... You.
Rr
Oh shit! Iranians not quite as blind as we assumed!: Iran Will Destroy ‘Key Israeli Targets’ if US Attacks, Former Revolutionary Guards Chief Warns https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/202001061077955736-iran-soleimani-killing... ... These Media Posts will serve as notification to the United States Congress that should Iran strike any U.S. person or target, the United States will quickly & fully strike back, & perhaps in a disproportionate manner. Such legal notice is not required, but is given nevertheless! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 5, 2020 ... “In response to Trump, who had said that Washington will attack Iran if it takes revenge, Rezaei said "be sure that in such a case we will completely level [Israel's port city of] Haifa and key Israeli targets”, on Sunday. He made his remarks during a ceremony in Tehran on Sunday which saw mourners commemorate the assassination of Qasem Soleimani, head of the IRGC’s elite Quds Force, who died in a US airstrike in Baghdad on 3 January. ... Shirt's gettin' real, muh dudes! Really, given that the Israeli's are apparently so lame they need direct endorsements from God, perhaps they should work on improving their marketing department or something? I dunno, may be work out how to cohabitate across the Middle East rather than ongoing tit for tat assassinations? Just a thought... On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 02:29:12PM +1100, Zigger da Bigga Trigga N.gga wrote:
Here's another of those "Look how close they put their country to our military bases - how DARE they!" maps.
AKA, the real reason Israel, sorry I mean the USA, is eternally trying to bring on major war against Iran and Syria:
Iraq Votes To Expel US Troops As Iranian MPs Chant "Death To America" https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/iranian-mps-chant-death-america-iraq-...
... Meanwhile, as the Iraqi government voted, the Iranian parliament took to the Parliament podium to chant "death to America."
[Article is short - worth reading.]
Zerohedge again shows their true neocon colours:
Lindsey Graham Blasts "Loser" Kaepernick's "Racist, Un-American" Comments https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/colin-kaepernick-slams-trumps-racist-...
Just as well Iran does not realise the Israeli tail wagging the American dog - that would really be a bad thing for Israel if Iran acted in response to the true puppet string puller behind the scenes.
Interesting times...
On Sat, Jan 04, 2020 at 10:11:19AM -0800, Razer wrote:
On 1/4/20 10:06 AM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 19:27:45 -0800 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
I think it speaks volumes about how many of this list's posters work for US intel agencies and contractors by the lack of any commenting on your new war with Iran. I personally don't want to hear more bad news. On the other hand, shouldn't govt agents be praising kaptain amerika and his glorious slaughter of infidels?
Not really. They're really REALLY busy figuring out when the next "lockerbie" is going to happen.
"There is a historic example of how Iran reacts to such U.S. provocations.
The U.S. attack:
Iran Air Flight 655 was a scheduled passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai via Bandar Abbas, that was shot down on 3 July 1988 by an SM-2MR surface-to-air missile fired from USS Vincennes, a guided missile cruiser of the United States Navy. The aircraft, an Airbus A300, was destroyed and all 290 people on board, including 66 children, were killed.
The Iranian retribution:
Pan Am Flight 103 was a regularly scheduled Pan Am transatlantic flight from Frankfurt to Detroit via London and New York. On 21 December 1988, N739PA, the aircraft operating the transatlantic leg of the route was destroyed by a bomb, killing all 243 passengers and 16 crew in what became known as the Lockerbie bombing.
The Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corp (IRGC) claimed to be responsible for the bombing of the plane. It had used a Palestinian cutout in Lebanon to plant the bomb. But for political reasons the official investigation was manipulated and the blame for the Lockerbie bombing was put on Libya's leader Muammar Gaddafi who had absolutely nothing to do with it.
The murder of the passengers and crew of Iran Air Flight 655 and the retribution for it were five and a half month apart. This gives us a hint of how long it might take for Iran to prepare the retribution for the U.S. assassination of Major General Qassem Soleimani. There is also the political calender that has to be considered. If an Iranian revenge act is of a kind that could help Trump to get reelected it must wait until after the U.S. election. If the revenge act is of a kind that could hurt Trump's poll numbers it must come during the last few months of the campaign.
We will know that it has happened when this flag comes down:
(Image: Red Flag Unfurled Over The Holy Dome Of Jamkarān Mosque, Qom Iran. Red Flag: A Symbol Of Severe Battle To Come.)"
My advice is "Ignore 'bad news' at your own risk", and cancel any air travel plans, punk. Ignorance kills... You.
Rr
Soleimani - another perspective: Arch Terrorist or Ally? Three Times Soleimani Saved American Lives https://sputniknews.com/world/202001061077960305-arch-terrorist-or-inadverte... ... Soleimani is 2015 fighting along American soldiers in Iraq to kill ISIS fighters.. now killed by Trump on all sorts of fabrications. Our foreign policy is psychotic https://pic.twitter.com/iTHppkwhdU ... In late 2001, after a group of 19 Saudi, Emirati, Lebanese and Egyptian hijackers slammed commercial airliners into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, killing nearly 3,000 Americans, US officials quietly met with Iranian diplomats coordinated by Soleimani in Geneva. Iran, a long-time enemy of al-Qaeda and its leader, Osama bin Laden, agreed to provide the United States with valuable intelligence on the terrorist group, including the locations of suspected al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan. Iran was also eager to assist the US in its campaign against the Taliban, since the radical fundamentalist movement was known for its harsh treatment of Afghanistan’s Shia minority, and had attacked and killed 11 Iranian diplomats at the consulate in Mazar-i-Sharif in 1998. In November 2001, Quds Force special forces and US Army Rangers and Delta Force units entered the city of Herat, northwestern Afghanistan, igniting an anti-terrorist insurrection led by Northern Alliance. The unprecedented operation led to the collapse of Taliban control of Herat, and soon the group was toppled from power across the rest of Afghanistan. The Quds Force was known to have provided material support to Ahmad Shah Massoud, leader of the US-allied Northern Alliance, going back to at least the mid-1990s. Iranian intelligence services continued to provide the US with intelligence until January 2002, when US President George W Bush added Iran to his ‘Axis of Evil’ list of possible regime change targets during his State of the Union address. ... How did Soleimani’s efforts in the Syrian conflict save American lives? For one thing, they helped to tie down tens of thousands of radicals from Daesh (ISIS),* al-Qaeda, and a host of other terrorist groups which could have otherwise scattered to Western countries to conduct Paris or Brussels-style terror attacks. Furthermore, they allowed the US to limit its anti-Daesh operations in Syria to aerial support and limited on-the-ground assistance to Kurdish militias, meaning fewer US service members’ lives put at risk. ... Whether against the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, or against Daesh and other terrorist groups in Syria and Iraq, Gen. Soleimani and the Quds Force have consistently fought the same Sunni Islamist Wahhabi fundamentalist forces which have targeted US forces across the Middle East and around the world, and which have vowed to destroy the West and America through acts of terror. By approving Soleimani’s assassination, President Trump has not only dealt a blow to the forces fighting Daesh and al-Qaeda, but put an irreversible end to the informal, often begrudging, highly unlikely but hugely successful partnership between Iran and the US in the fight against terrorism, and that may put American lives at risk.
Escobar, writing for The Saker, drops the following bombshell: Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani had flown into Baghdad on a normal carrier flight, carrying a diplomatic passport. He had been sent by Tehran to deliver, in person, a reply to a message from Riyadh on de-escalation across the Middle East. Those negotiations had been requested by the Trump administration. So Baghdad was officially mediating between Tehran and Riyadh, at the behest of Trump. And Soleimani was a messenger. Adil Abdul-Mahdi was supposed to meet Soleimani at 8:30 am, Baghdad time, last Friday. But a few hours before the appointed time, Soleimani died as the object of a targeted assassination at Baghdad airport. Let that sink in – for the annals of 21st century diplomacy. Once again: it does not matter whether the assassination order was issued by President Trump, the US Deep State or the usual suspects – or when. After all, the Pentagon had Soleimani on its sights for a long time, but always refused to go for the final hit, fearing devastating consequences. Now, the fact is that the United States government – on foreign soil, as a guest nation – has assassinated a diplomatic envoy who was on an official mission that had been requested by the United States government itself. Baghdad will formally denounce this behavior to the United Nations. However, it would be idle to expect UN outrage about the US killing of a diplomatic envoy. International law was dead even before 2003’s Shock and Awe. ... Source: Escobar On The Soleimani Psyop & The Financial WMDs http://thesaker.is/financial-n-option-will-settle-trumps-oil-war/ https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-soleimani-psyop-financial-wmd... On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 02:10:56PM +1100, Zigga da Bigga Trigga N.gga wrote:
Soleimani - another perspective:
Arch Terrorist or Ally? Three Times Soleimani Saved American Lives https://sputniknews.com/world/202001061077960305-arch-terrorist-or-inadverte...
... Soleimani is 2015 fighting along American soldiers in Iraq to kill ISIS fighters.. now killed by Trump on all sorts of fabrications. Our foreign policy is psychotic https://pic.twitter.com/iTHppkwhdU
... In late 2001, after a group of 19 Saudi, Emirati, Lebanese and Egyptian hijackers slammed commercial airliners into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, killing nearly 3,000 Americans, US officials quietly met with Iranian diplomats coordinated by Soleimani in Geneva. Iran, a long-time enemy of al-Qaeda and its leader, Osama bin Laden, agreed to provide the United States with valuable intelligence on the terrorist group, including the locations of suspected al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan. Iran was also eager to assist the US in its campaign against the Taliban, since the radical fundamentalist movement was known for its harsh treatment of Afghanistan’s Shia minority, and had attacked and killed 11 Iranian diplomats at the consulate in Mazar-i-Sharif in 1998.
In November 2001, Quds Force special forces and US Army Rangers and Delta Force units entered the city of Herat, northwestern Afghanistan, igniting an anti-terrorist insurrection led by Northern Alliance. The unprecedented operation led to the collapse of Taliban control of Herat, and soon the group was toppled from power across the rest of Afghanistan. The Quds Force was known to have provided material support to Ahmad Shah Massoud, leader of the US-allied Northern Alliance, going back to at least the mid-1990s. Iranian intelligence services continued to provide the US with intelligence until January 2002, when US President George W Bush added Iran to his ‘Axis of Evil’ list of possible regime change targets during his State of the Union address.
... How did Soleimani’s efforts in the Syrian conflict save American lives? For one thing, they helped to tie down tens of thousands of radicals from Daesh (ISIS),* al-Qaeda, and a host of other terrorist groups which could have otherwise scattered to Western countries to conduct Paris or Brussels-style terror attacks. Furthermore, they allowed the US to limit its anti-Daesh operations in Syria to aerial support and limited on-the-ground assistance to Kurdish militias, meaning fewer US service members’ lives put at risk.
... Whether against the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, or against Daesh and other terrorist groups in Syria and Iraq, Gen. Soleimani and the Quds Force have consistently fought the same Sunni Islamist Wahhabi fundamentalist forces which have targeted US forces across the Middle East and around the world, and which have vowed to destroy the West and America through acts of terror.
By approving Soleimani’s assassination, President Trump has not only dealt a blow to the forces fighting Daesh and al-Qaeda, but put an irreversible end to the informal, often begrudging, highly unlikely but hugely successful partnership between Iran and the US in the fight against terrorism, and that may put American lives at risk.
Even more insight, this time from Ramin Mazaheri via the Saker: Anti-terror hero Soleimani a ‘terrorist’? US ‘false-life syndrome’ normal since 2003 http://thesaker.is/anti-terror-hero-soleimani-a-terrorist-us-false-life-synd... ... However, if Vietnam resulted in the average American’s open and persistent refusal to believe their government – which was an important historical first for the US – the Iraq War will prove to have been when the average American retained this same correct skepticism but became unable to publicly admit their disbelief. The Iraq War ushered in a new culture of lying for America, where Americans knew they were peddling total falsehoods, and knew that their listeners knew their claims were falsehoods, but there was a collective agreement to keep spreading these falsehoods anyway. This is how we get to the point where somebody like Soleimani – who had bravely and unequivocally been an anti-terrorist hero – is publicly accused of being a “terrorist” by American leadership. Because Washington’s goals are so imperialist, so rabidly capitalist and so fueled by feudal realpolitik, instead of acknowledging how Soleimani’s leading of the fight against ISIL saved many innocent European and American lives (and even the lives of the mercenary “contractors” from these nations), US Vice-President Mike Pence now absurdly says Soleimani was a part of 9/11. Trump says he is justified to plan bombings of “cultural sites”, even though everyone knows he means mosques. Secretary of State Pompeo says the mob hit was “protecting American interests”, even though the only Americans truly pleased are also Israeli Zionists. In the Vietnam era Americans said en masse that they don’t believe nonsense like this, but the Iraq War has changed American democracy – now many Americans feel compelled to say they believe it… but they actually don’t. To believe that Americans truly believe the endless lies of their post-2003 governments is to assume that Americans are either deluded or mentally disabled, and neither are true: Americans know they are poorly governed but now feel powerless to resist the injustice of their own leaders. Therefore, just as they were marched to war in 2003 even though it was clearly based on the lie of WMDs, the Pentagon and US Deep State are hoping they can start a war with Iran based on more preposterous lies, such as the murder of anti-terror hero Soleimani being justified because he was a “terrorist”. ... Trump himself is certainly not crazy but he is undoubtedly a liar. Pompeo himself openly revealed the sad degeneration of American dishonesty: “… when I was a cadet – what’s the cadet motto at West Point? (West Point is the number one military prep school in the US) ‘You will not lie, cheat or steal or tolerate those who do.’ I was the CIA director – we lied, we cheated, we stole. That’s – it was like – we had entire training courses.” Bush I was a former CIA director, so it’s not as if Pompeo really represents a new development in US neo-fascism (it is “neo” because open US Apartheid is over), but my point here is that prior to Vietnam such things were never openly admitted anywhere in the US; during Vietnam the truth of the anti-democratic nature of the US was hotly debated; during the Iraq War the US government’s foundation of criminality is openly admitted at the very top… and no one cares. In an era when every American is tracked – from credit scores, to the location of their cell phone, to what they wrote on the internet 15 years ago – and people can be droned at will, the average American has no choice to but to pretend that they are going along with it all. It is not all Trump and Pompeo – the executive powers, which reduce the American system to investing a dictator’s powers in the presidency, were installed by Bush II and increased by Barack “Dronebama” Obama. The system has spread to their neo-imperial allies, as proven by France’s 2-year state of emergency, the “French Patriot Act”, and current President Emmanuel “Rubber Bullet President” Macron, who forces through sweeping American-style economic changes via executive order. “False life syndrome” is thus a Western phenomenon, and not only that of their American leader. The epidemic expansion of “false life syndrome” which began in 2003 is also behind the pathetic, woefully unfair reason Soleimani is now dead: The Democratic Party elite refused to admit the real reasons for their democratic unpopularity, so they concocted a diversionary Russophobia campaign as well as a campaign to impeach Trump (i.e., to undemocratically reverse the election). In 2020, to distract from this month’s expected impeachment vote Trump killed Soleimani. It’s more “false life” syndrome, because everyone knows the impeachment is the emptiest of politics as Trump is certain to be acquitted. “Think of the contrast,” top House Republican Kevin McCarthy wrote on Twitter. “While Democrats are trying to remove President Trump from office, the President is focused on removing terrorists from the face of the earth.” In an election year Trump needed another WMD-like falsity to perpetuate, knowing full well that it would be publicly promoted by many, and he so he murdered Soleimani. What a crying injustice that an anti-terror hero died in large part because of immoral, domestically despised, primary school-level US domestic politics! Soleimani was killed to preserve US capitalism-imperialist domination of the Muslim World above all, but the dishonest, unreflective political farce which has reigned since 2003 in America is the leading secondary factor. Everybody in the world knows this modern truth: Washington defines a terrorist as “someone who disagrees with Washington and Wall Street”. Be you Iranian, Iraqi, a journalist like Julian Assange or an average American – oppose US neo-imperialism and neoliberalism and you will be treated as a terrorist. I am certain that the average American realizes this obvious subtext to these slanderous, absurdly false claims against anti-terror hero Soleimani, but it is 2020 and not 1970 – it seems you can’t expect the truth from a huge number of Americans anymore? Maybe we can after the US finally leaves Iraq? On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 02:10:56PM +1100, Zigga da Bigga Trigga N.gga wrote:
Soleimani - another perspective:
Arch Terrorist or Ally? Three Times Soleimani Saved American Lives https://sputniknews.com/world/202001061077960305-arch-terrorist-or-inadverte...
... Soleimani is 2015 fighting along American soldiers in Iraq to kill ISIS fighters.. now killed by Trump on all sorts of fabrications. Our foreign policy is psychotic https://pic.twitter.com/iTHppkwhdU
... In late 2001, after a group of 19 Saudi, Emirati, Lebanese and Egyptian hijackers slammed commercial airliners into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, killing nearly 3,000 Americans, US officials quietly met with Iranian diplomats coordinated by Soleimani in Geneva. Iran, a long-time enemy of al-Qaeda and its leader, Osama bin Laden, agreed to provide the United States with valuable intelligence on the terrorist group, including the locations of suspected al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan. Iran was also eager to assist the US in its campaign against the Taliban, since the radical fundamentalist movement was known for its harsh treatment of Afghanistan’s Shia minority, and had attacked and killed 11 Iranian diplomats at the consulate in Mazar-i-Sharif in 1998.
In November 2001, Quds Force special forces and US Army Rangers and Delta Force units entered the city of Herat, northwestern Afghanistan, igniting an anti-terrorist insurrection led by Northern Alliance. The unprecedented operation led to the collapse of Taliban control of Herat, and soon the group was toppled from power across the rest of Afghanistan. The Quds Force was known to have provided material support to Ahmad Shah Massoud, leader of the US-allied Northern Alliance, going back to at least the mid-1990s. Iranian intelligence services continued to provide the US with intelligence until January 2002, when US President George W Bush added Iran to his ‘Axis of Evil’ list of possible regime change targets during his State of the Union address.
... How did Soleimani’s efforts in the Syrian conflict save American lives? For one thing, they helped to tie down tens of thousands of radicals from Daesh (ISIS),* al-Qaeda, and a host of other terrorist groups which could have otherwise scattered to Western countries to conduct Paris or Brussels-style terror attacks. Furthermore, they allowed the US to limit its anti-Daesh operations in Syria to aerial support and limited on-the-ground assistance to Kurdish militias, meaning fewer US service members’ lives put at risk.
... Whether against the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, or against Daesh and other terrorist groups in Syria and Iraq, Gen. Soleimani and the Quds Force have consistently fought the same Sunni Islamist Wahhabi fundamentalist forces which have targeted US forces across the Middle East and around the world, and which have vowed to destroy the West and America through acts of terror.
By approving Soleimani’s assassination, President Trump has not only dealt a blow to the forces fighting Daesh and al-Qaeda, but put an irreversible end to the informal, often begrudging, highly unlikely but hugely successful partnership between Iran and the US in the fight against terrorism, and that may put American lives at risk.
Deep goes the rabbit hole. Strategic Culture Foundation just redeemed themselves of recent neoconning: The Deeper Story Behind The Assassination Of Soleimani https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/01/08/the-deeper-story-behind-th... https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/deeper-story-behind-assassination-sol... [US financial bullying/demands against Iraq - demanding 50% of all oil revenue for rebuilding of (elec) infrastructure] [Indignant Iraq goes and signs a deal with China instead] [US demands recinding this deal] [Iraqi PM says "nyet"] [US threats of protests against and assassination of Iraqi PM] [Iraqi PM resigns in hope to save skin] [(Now ex- ?) Iraqi PM and defense minister threatened by US with assassination if they don't recind deal with Chinese to rebuild Iraqi infrastructure - or rather, even if they "keep talking about this third part" (China)] [Saudi appears to have had enough war:] Saudi Arabia is sending a delegation to Washington to urge restraint with Iran on behalf of [Persian] Gulf states. The message will be: ‘Please spare us the pain of going through another war’. What clearly emerges is that the success of the operation against Soleimani had nothing to do with the intelligence gathering of the US or Israel. It was known to all and sundry that Soleimani was heading to Baghdad in a diplomatic capacity that acknowledged Iraq’s efforts to mediate a solution to the regional crisis with Saudi Arabia. [and Qatar, Turkey and Egypt all on the page with Saudi Arabia, in either support or moderation of some sort for Iran - effectively unanimous calls for de-escalation] [US evidently flailing its uni-polar dragon's tail, in the face of an emergent multi polar world; petro dollar, and consequent unlimited US war war budgets, naturally under fire] ... Washington would like to prevent any Eurasian integration by unleashing chaos and destruction in the region, and killing Soleimani served this purpose. The US cannot contemplate the idea of the dollar losing its status as the global reserve currency. Trump is engaging in a desperate gamble that could have disastrous consequences. ... Soleimani’s death is the result of a convergence of US and Israeli interests. With no other way of halting Eurasian integration, Washington can only throw the region into chaos by targeting countries like Iran, Iraq and Syria that are central to the Eurasian project. While Israel has never had the ability or audacity to carry out such an assassination itself, the importance of the Israel Lobby to Trump’s electoral success would have influenced his decision, all the more so in an election year. ... The assassination of Soleimani is the US lashing out at its steady loss of influence in the region. The Iraqi attempt to mediate a lasting peace between Iran and Saudi Arabia has been scuppered by the US and Israel’s determination to prevent peace in the region and instead increase chaos and instability. ... [So it may well be that TPTB behind the scenes, and for a totally random example, this one little known M.E., virulently tribal tribe, successfully pushed for the murder of Soleimani in order to keep the conflict alive; Bibi: "We stand fully by the United States in its just battle for security, peace and self-defense. ... Soleimani is responsible for the deaths of innocent US citizens and many others." https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-lauds-trump-for-killing-of-irans-sol... ] [Of course, once Iran cut right to the chase and promised to level Israel's 3rd largest city, Haifa, should this war escalate, Bibi backtracked with more stylish moves than Israelis dancing on a New York roof in September; Bibi: “The assassination of Soleimani isn't an Israeli event but an American event. We were not involved and should not be dragged into it,” https://www.rt.com/news/477604-netanyahu-distances-israel-soleimani-killing/ ] Conclusion: Iraq under a few decades of bombing, has been made America's bitch; they don't want to completely surrender and want to maintain a little financial dignity. That might sound odd, but it's understandable. The question is whether the Fed will continue to hold out for the fullness of their demands upon the Iraqi parliament, whilst risking a new M.E. war/ uprising against the USA. Events such as the recent US assassination of Soleimani, have a real chance to re-galvanize the previously divided Shiah Muslim 'community' or 'crescent' from Syria to Iraq to Iran, in a way which could possibly prove to be untenable for the US to fight and thereby force the US to withdraw. But being forced to withdraw would mean unfavourable terms. Unsure if the 'bargaining' tradeoff (from a mercenary perspective) is getting worse or better for the USA.
[So it may well be that TPTB behind the scenes, and for a totally random example, this one little known M.E., virulently tribal tribe, successfully pushed for the murder of Soleimani in order to keep the conflict alive; Bibi: "We stand fully by the United States in its just battle for security, peace and self-defense. ... Soleimani is responsible for the deaths of innocent US citizens and many others." https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-lauds-trump-for-killing-of-irans-sol... ]
[Of course, once Iran cut right to the chase and promised to level Israel's 3rd largest city, Haifa, should this war escalate, Bibi backtracked with more stylish moves than Israelis dancing on a New York roof in September; Bibi: “The assassination of Soleimani isn't an Israeli event but an American event. We were not involved and should not be dragged into it,” https://www.rt.com/news/477604-netanyahu-distances-israel-soleimani-killing/ ]
Israeli MoD's project to "bury the rooftop dancing Israeli 9/11 search results" has come unstuck: I Can't Dance: Israeli Military Shuts Down Its 'Dancer Initiative' as Viral Video Reportedly Upsets Top Brass https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/202005051079206426-israeli-military-shuts... .. "Senior officers did not like the sight of men dancing like that in military fatigues. Apparently, to them, it disgraced the military," the Army Radio reportedly said.
On 2020-01-04 13:27, Razer wrote:
I think it speaks volumes about how many of this list's posters work for US intel agencies and contractors by the lack of any commenting on your new war with Iran.
This comment has not aged well. I have confidence in Trump, and waited to see. Lots of people have underestimated Trump, and it has seldom worked out well for them. He responded to Iran's response as I expected and hoped. And Iran's response (symbolic escalation covering actual de-escalation, revealing that the killing of Solemieni was successful in deterring them from the war effort that they have been escalating ever since Obama's nuke deal) was what I had hoped it would be and doubtless what Trump expected it to be. It takes two to make peace, only one to make war. Iranians are not chanting "America should get off the bloodstained sands so that we can make them even bloodier". They are chanting "Death to America". Similarly, read the comment section of internet articles that appeared about Khamenei's response to Trump's threat, shortly before Trump nailed Solemeini. Lots of Iranians in the comment sections promising to kill us, confidently telling us we are weak and will be destroyed. The comment sections have fallen silent about our weakness and their prospects for destroying us. The timeline of events was Twitter diplomacy: Trump on New Year's day:
Iran will be held fully responsible for lives lost, or damage incurred, at any of our facilities. They will pay a very BIG PRICE! This is not a Warning, it is a Threat.
To which Khamenei responded on Twitter:
You can’t do anything.
Comment sections fill with Shiites gloating "Death to America", telling us America is weak, that they will destroy us. Whereupon Trump kills Khamenei's buddy and top general. Comment sections fill with rage, but optimism that we are weak and that they will destroy us evaporates. That is a mighty good outcome. We have no alternative but to make those that hate us, fear us. Where the comment sections were full of gloating at our weakness, now fear at our strength. Obama's nuke deal was seen as weakness, and escalated their messianic expectation that they would conquer us, however absurd that expectation seems to some of us. Shiite Messianism has suddenly gone out of fashion.
Hey James how ya doin - +1 MAGA regards baby rooty -------- Original Message -------- On Jan 9, 2020, 3:34 PM, wrote:
On 2020-01-04 13:27, Razer wrote:
I think it speaks volumes about how many of this list's posters work for US intel agencies and contractors by the lack of any commenting on your new war with Iran.
This comment has not aged well.
I have confidence in Trump, and waited to see. Lots of people have underestimated Trump, and it has seldom worked out well for them.
He responded to Iran's response as I expected and hoped.
And Iran's response (symbolic escalation covering actual de-escalation, revealing that the killing of Solemieni was successful in deterring them from the war effort that they have been escalating ever since Obama's nuke deal) was what I had hoped it would be and doubtless what Trump expected it to be.
It takes two to make peace, only one to make war. Iranians are not chanting "America should get off the bloodstained sands so that we can make them even bloodier". They are chanting "Death to America". Similarly, read the comment section of internet articles that appeared about Khamenei's response to Trump's threat, shortly before Trump nailed Solemeini.
Lots of Iranians in the comment sections promising to kill us, confidently telling us we are weak and will be destroyed.
The comment sections have fallen silent about our weakness and their prospects for destroying us.
The timeline of events was Twitter diplomacy:
Trump on New Year's day:
Iran will be held fully responsible for lives lost, or damage incurred, at any of our facilities. They will pay a very BIG PRICE! This is not a Warning, it is a Threat.
To which Khamenei responded on Twitter:
You can’t do anything.
Comment sections fill with Shiites gloating "Death to America", telling us America is weak, that they will destroy us.
Whereupon Trump kills Khamenei's buddy and top general.
Comment sections fill with rage, but optimism that we are weak and that they will destroy us evaporates.
That is a mighty good outcome. We have no alternative but to make those that hate us, fear us. Where the comment sections were full of gloating at our weakness, now fear at our strength.
Obama's nuke deal was seen as weakness, and escalated their messianic expectation that they would conquer us, however absurd that expectation seems to some of us.
Shiite Messianism has suddenly gone out of fashion.
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