https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-November/031001.html
Sorry, but no. Tor mailing lists are not places where spreading rape culture is ok, whatever the point you are trying to make.
Perhaps it is a leaked artistic caricature of a fun/educational play session between consenting parties in something like edukink, sfcitadel, soj, tes, fetlife and the like. Perhaps it is something else. As with all art... interpretation, learning, and appreciation or lack thereof is upon the viewer. No need to click links or start wars over them if you don't like. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_versus_blasphemy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humor
Roger's original request was for a mashup he could use in his presentations to LEAs and to the NSA itself. Somehow I don't see him using this. :-)
Surely some NSA listening post is getting a really good laugh after ingesting that link. Here's more that would make equally good follow ons to their previously leaked slides when mashed together in a future presentation... https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=nsa+parody https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=nsa+humor / Agreed. It's offensive and frankly lazy. / http://i.imgur.com/PV2q1ZO.gif Oh really? Here we thought 'fuck'ing was offensive. _ I like the double entendre: FreeBSD > Linux :) _ Accurate and funny. Nice work. Someone should add a Fawkes mask in the shoetip for added effect. Now that everyone's well represented, no further comment.
On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 04:01:08PM -0500, grarpamp wrote:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-November/031001.html
Sorry, but no. Tor mailing lists are not places where spreading rape culture is ok, whatever the point you are trying to make.
Perhaps it is a leaked artistic caricature of a fun/educational play session between consenting parties in something like edukink, sfcitadel, soj, tes, fetlife and the like. Perhaps it is something else. As with all art... interpretation, learning, and appreciation or lack thereof is upon the viewer. No need to click links or start wars over them if you don't like.
Seriously? If I had a security clearance and my job was to identify idiots to watch more closesly, I'd make that image, post it anonymously, over tor, then see who has an emotional reaction and starts posting a lot of links about freedom of whatever. That being said, it's funny in a third-grade sort of humor way, but what I'd rather see is John Stewart/The Onion/cracked.com intelligent satire. We can do better than bending over for the NSA and saying 'have at it' So do better.
Seriously? freedom of whatever.
Tor is, in part, about freedom. And freedom is seriously serious business, not some 'whatever'. Seriously.
what I'd rather see is John Stewart/The Onion/cracked.com intelligent satire.
So create some, and post it, anonymously or not. You have that freedom. Whether a thousand word illustrated essay or boiled down to a single image, there's no real difference. http://www.cracked.com/video_18725_if-16-pregnant-was-around-nativity-story.... http://www.cracked.com/blog/undeniable-proof-that-european-christmas-terrify... http://www.cracked.com/blog/7-reasons-tsa-sucks-a-security-experts-perspecti... The 'intelligent satire' above could be offensive to some. Maybe these boiled down intelligent satirists are offensive to people too... https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=george+carlin https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=richard+pryor But you know, let's just decry and ban it all.
We can do better than bending over for the NSA and saying 'have at it'
You're right... as torizens, cypherpunks, and whatever else, bending over for the NSA is definitely not in our interests ;-) Kinda why people are working to get better at doing it right, baby.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=richard+pryor
But you know, let's just decry and ban it all.
Go ahead and post it. I'm not stopping you. I am, however, excercising my freedom of speech to try to point out that the image you appear to be defending may be a psy-ops campaign from those who get paid to keep secrets.
We can do better than bending over for the NSA and saying 'have at it'
You're right... as torizens, cypherpunks, and whatever else, bending over for the NSA is definitely not in our interests ;-) Kinda why people are working to get better at doing it right, baby.
My point is that by promoting that image and the culture(s) it represents you may be bending over and broadcasting "Here I am, here's how to control me" to nation-states and email providers that make money based on how many advertising links you click.
Wow, is this seriously political correctness self censorship encouragement in the name of security culture based anti psyops? And I thought I'd heard it all. On Wednesday, December 25, 2013, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=richard+pryor
But you know, let's just decry and ban it all.
Go ahead and post it. I'm not stopping you. I am, however, excercising my freedom of speech to try to point out that the image you appear to be defending may be a psy-ops campaign from those who get paid to keep secrets.
We can do better than bending over for the NSA and saying 'have at it'
You're right... as torizens, cypherpunks, and whatever else, bending over for the NSA is definitely not in our interests ;-) Kinda why people are working to get better at doing it right, baby.
My point is that by promoting that image and the culture(s) it represents you may be bending over and broadcasting "Here I am, here's how to control me" to nation-states and email providers that make money based on how many advertising links you click.
-- Kelly John Rose Toronto, ON Phone: +1 647 638-4104 Twitter: @kjrose Skype: kjrose.pr Gtalk: iam@kjro.se MSN: msn@kjro.se Document contents are confidential between original recipients and sender.
On 2013-12-26 05:58, Kelly John Rose wrote:
Wow, is this seriously political correctness self censorship encouragement in the name of security culture based anti psyops?
"rape culture" a move by some people to censor other people - "Your thoughts get women raped. This make my thoughts holier than your thoughts, and me holier than you" Everyone is encouraging false rape accusations. No one is encouraging rape. Accusations of "rape culture", are frequently made, and always false. Accusations of encouraging false rape accusations are never made, and should be.
So much for trying to be nice. Why the fuck are you bending over for people who like to keep secrets? I like my fucking and my security safe, sane, and consensual. Tor is a great tool, but too many idiots get caught up in the idea they can use it to 'rage against the machine' by using EXACTLY THE SAME TACTICS THE MACHINE BENDS THEM THE FUCK OVER WITH. If you truly wish to fuck the NSA, have no secrets, have no fear, and choose every action as if the world were watching, for they very well may be. If you have something to fear, then hide shit. If you want to be a real cypherpunk, leave the fear and put your life and integrity to do everything in plain sight and speak truth to power. Most likely power will leave you the fuck alone because they it figure out how to manipulate you with fear, and are to afraid of the power of truth, for which they have no defense. On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 02:58:30PM -0500, Kelly John Rose wrote:
Wow, is this seriously political correctness self censorship encouragement in the name of security culture based anti psyops?
And I thought I'd heard it all.
On Wednesday, December 25, 2013, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=richard+pryor
But you know, let's just decry and ban it all.
Go ahead and post it. I'm not stopping you. I am, however, excercising my freedom of speech to try to point out that the image you appear to be defending may be a psy-ops campaign from those who get paid to keep secrets.
We can do better than bending over for the NSA and saying 'have at it'
You're right... as torizens, cypherpunks, and whatever else, bending over for the NSA is definitely not in our interests ;-) Kinda why people are working to get better at doing it right, baby.
My point is that by promoting that image and the culture(s) it represents you may be bending over and broadcasting "Here I am, here's how to control me" to nation-states and email providers that make money based on how many advertising links you click.
-- Kelly John Rose Toronto, ON Phone: +1 647 638-4104 Twitter: @kjrose Skype: kjrose.pr Gtalk: iam@kjro.se MSN: msn@kjro.se
Document contents are confidential between original recipients and sender.
Dnia wtorek, 24 grudnia 2013 20:29:52 grarpamp pisze:
Seriously? freedom of whatever.
Tor is, in part, about freedom. And freedom is seriously serious business, not some 'whatever'. Seriously.
Including the freedom to say "meh". -- Pozdr rysiek
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