--On Monday, September 30, 2013 7:46 PM -0700 coderman <coderman@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Juan Garofalo <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:

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... So, the question should be : apart from the anglo-americans, and perhaps the chinese, is there any other cyber police state out there?

russia, of course. and ...

perhaps the question you need to ask is who isn't a cyber police state?

even the third world is buying tools from the first for this purpose...

I guess you're right in a way, but, is there a european equivalent to the utah datacenter for instance? Does japan have its own (smaller but still substantial) version of it? China? Even russia? I understand that european governments expect the ISPs to spy on their customers ('data retention laws') which seems to suggest that they[governments] are not doing it themselves? wikipedia, lousy source, but still "On 2 March 2010, the Federal Constitutional Court of Germany ruled the law unconstitutional as a violation of the guarantee of the secrecy of correspondence.[18] As such, the directive is not currently implemented in Germany."