---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> Date: Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 2:53 PM Subject: That wonderful 1980-ies hippie vibe... To: HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org> It's bedtime here in Denmark, but before I go to bed, I want to thank for the wonderful 1980'ies hippie-vibe of the last couple of days, it's been a wonderful nostalgic experience. I don't know how many of you remember "atomic weapon free zones" ? Maybe if you are younger, you might have seen a faded "Atomic Weapon free Zone" sign somewhere ? What happened was that well-meaning city councils made lofty proclamations and declared there city would never allow atomic weapons inside city limits etc. It was of course an empty gesture, it's not like the military cared what the Burgermeister of some dutch or german town signed, if they needed to drive their nukes through, they would damn well drive their nukes through the town-square. In some cases it was down-right laughably hypocritical. Does Berkeley still have their sign up ? Berkeley Uni made a fortune running LLNL, which designed atomic bombs, but they were appearantly not allowed to bring the work home with them, or something. Anyway... Ending the cold war, one nuclear-weapon free city after the other, was as effective as slightly more encryption in HTTP/2.0 will be at ending USAs "War Against Privacy". I do understand you are upset about it, so am I, and I do recognize that when you have only a watchmakers screwdriver as tool, you use the only tool you have. But rolling back the US police-state, a firmly nailed down military-industrial complex with a budget measured in billions, and what looks like almost unanimous political support of USgov, is not going to happen because we tighten a screw somewhere in a internet protocol. Sorry. If you want to do something about the polic-state, by all means get involved in politics: Expose the lies, support the whistleblowers, vote the bums out, run for office. But in this WG, please leave your politics at the door and concentrate on the objective in our charter: Making a better performing HTTP protocol. G'night... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.