So what happened to Ian Murdock? According to wiki-cesspool "The last tweets from Murdock's Twitter account first announced that he would commit suicide, then said he would not. He reported having been assaulted by police, and having assaulted a police officer, then declared an intent to devote his life to opposing police abuse. His Twitter account was taken down shortly afterwards " That's super believable and super transparent, just what one would expect from the Free, Open, Democratic, Just and Benevolent Western Civilizatin, right?
So what happened to Ian Murdock?
Just checked the wiki. It's a bit limited. Prior to his suicide, he split up with his long-time partner Debra (Debian was named as a combination of their names), had taken it hard as most long-term mid-life breakups tend to do, and was apparently soon to be evicted from his mansion, and had taken to the bottle. I'm not aware of any projects that he was currently involved with that would have led to any interest in him by.. state actors. As far as I can tell, its just the sad case of a man who suffered the greatest pain one can. To lose no longer be able to afford the pricetag of what one has, and to lose what is priceless.
On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 22:40:24 -0000 xorcist@sigaint.org wrote:
So what happened to Ian Murdock?
Just checked the wiki. It's a bit limited. Prior to his suicide, he split up with his long-time partner Debra
So he got rid of the wife/bitch/cunt. Another reason not to commit suicide. Rest of your stupid psycho-drivel ignored.
(Debian was named as a combination of their names), had taken it hard as most long-term mid-life breakups tend to do, and was apparently soon to be evicted from his mansion, and had taken to the bottle.
I'm not aware of any projects that he was currently involved with that would have led to any interest in him by.. state actors.
As far as I can tell, its just the sad case of a man who suffered the greatest pain one can. To lose no longer be able to afford the pricetag of what one has, and to lose what is priceless.
So he got rid of the wife/bitch/cunt. Another reason not to commit suicide. Rest of your stupid psycho-drivel ignored.
Well, considering that he was taking it hard, it would seem he didn't consider her a bitch/cunt. Or were you just showing your misogynistic side because no sane female would put up with your shenanigans? So, quite likely, it would seem the case is that she simply got tired of dealing with his persistent negativity, combativeness, and completely worthless sense of how to look at the world, and other people. Wait.. nevermind. I got the two of you confused. Probably she was just looking for someone with a bigger cock. Wait.. no, no.. I'm obviously still confused.. Uhm.. oh, whatever.
On 09/29/2016 04:05 PM, xorcist@sigaint.org wrote:
Well, considering that he was taking it hard,
How do you know? Some of his escapades are the stuff lost weekends gone lost years are made of. Have you ever heard of a psychological Fugue? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugue_state Rr
So he got rid of the wife/bitch/cunt. Another reason not to commit suicide. Rest of your stupid psycho-drivel ignored.
Well, considering that he was taking it hard, it would seem he didn't consider her a bitch/cunt. Or were you just showing your misogynistic side because no sane female would put up with your shenanigans?
So, quite likely, it would seem the case is that she simply got tired of dealing with his persistent negativity, combativeness, and completely worthless sense of how to look at the world, and other people.
Wait.. nevermind. I got the two of you confused. Probably she was just looking for someone with a bigger cock.
Wait.. no, no.. I'm obviously still confused..
Uhm.. oh, whatever.
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Razer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
Some of his escapades are the stuff lost weekends gone lost years are made of.
Have you ever heard of a psychological Fugue?
Listen the original music first: https://youtu.be/LbLfg5m3tns After it, watch the version with fun English subtitles. and an American guy singing "please, pleaseee" in a very needy way, hihi... :) https://youtu.be/RIJqgRutRGM
On 09/29/2016 04:05 PM, xorcist@sigaint.org wrote:
Well, considering that he was taking it hard,
How do you know?
When I first heard he died, I read a few articles that were kicking around about it, and his family and friends had mentioned it, along with his financial troubles. Or, at least I seem to remember it that way, at any rate.
Some of his escapades are the stuff lost weekends gone lost years are made of.
Have you ever heard of a psychological Fugue?
Yeah, it could be.. but it doesn't take something as extreme, or rare, as a disassociative state to explain this, I don't think. Hard drinking and clinical depression alone is really enough, by itself. If you're trying to numb depression over losing a loved one while having your finances get all fucked is enough to drive a lot people over the edge in one way or another, especially if you're the type of person that bases their self-worth on such things. Which, in our society, unfortunately, is most people. The again, a sudden shattering of self-worth can be the type of thing to cause a disassociative state, so .. who knows.
On 09/29/2016 06:13 PM, xorcist@sigaint.org wrote:
On 09/29/2016 04:05 PM, xorcist@sigaint.org wrote:
Well, considering that he was taking it hard,
How do you know?
When I first heard he died, I read a few articles that were kicking around about it, and his family and friends had mentioned it, along with his financial troubles. Or, at least I seem to remember it that way, at any rate.
Some of his escapades are the stuff lost weekends gone lost years are made of.
Have you ever heard of a psychological Fugue?
Yeah, it could be.. but it doesn't take something as extreme, or rare, as a disassociative state to explain this, I don't think.
Trust me. It IS NOT rare. Further, there ARE varying degrees... Leading to missing persons posters for adults who simply wanted to get lost. A lot of that in the computer industry historically. A LOT of that action ends up here. Where I live. The location being NOYB. Rr
Hard drinking and clinical depression alone is really enough, by itself. If you're trying to numb depression over losing a loved one while having your finances get all fucked is enough to drive a lot people over the edge in one way or another, especially if you're the type of person that bases their self-worth on such things. Which, in our society, unfortunately, is most people.
The again, a sudden shattering of self-worth can be the type of thing to cause a disassociative state, so .. who knows.
Trust me. It IS NOT rare.
Well, if we're speaking of disassociative / depersonalized states generally, I quite agree. But my understanding is that 'fugue' states refer to a rather rare sub-type specifically characterized by amnesia.
Further, there ARE varying degrees... Leading to missing persons posters for adults who simply wanted to get lost.
Yes, like most things in psychology there is a sliding scale for everything. Generally not considered a disorder until it comes into more acute forms, though.
A lot of that in the computer industry historically. A LOT of that action ends up here. Where I live. The location being NOYB.
Mmm. Yeah I believe that. Seems to me that computers, mathematics, music.. those types of fields where pattern recognition / development, and extreme states of concentration are rewarded, tend to be attractive to -- and indeed, at their highest states, often only navigable by, people who tend to think very differently from the norm and may have some cross over with those at risk for such "disorders."
On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 17:48:02 -0700 Razer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 09/29/2016 04:05 PM, xorcist@sigaint.org wrote:
Well, considering that he was taking it hard,
How do you know?
Some of his escapades are the stuff lost weekends gone lost years are made of.
Have you ever heard of a psychological Fugue?
WHat's your point rayzer? That he was crazy? He wasnt' 'suicided' by the cops?
On 09/29/2016 07:04 PM, juan wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 17:48:02 -0700 Razer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 09/29/2016 04:05 PM, xorcist@sigaint.org wrote:
Well, considering that he was taking it hard,
How do you know?
Some of his escapades are the stuff lost weekends gone lost years are made of.
Have you ever heard of a psychological Fugue?
WHat's your point rayzer? That he was crazy? He wasnt' 'suicided' by the cops?
People in a fugue state can be quite vulnerable, and easy to use, abuse, and set up. Just ask the developer on his lost weekend/month/year who got mugged by some wino 'friends' he met under some bridge. Other than that I reserve judgment. He could have been set up to suicide himself. Good luck with finding any evidence of that. Rr Ps. Read Confederate General from Big Sur by Richard Brautigan and note the insurance salesman from San Jose who holes up with them on Salmon (or was it Willow) creek with the pomegranate he bought in Watsonville and a suitcase full of cash. It predates 'computer dropouts' by decades and is eerily accurate. Because it's a true story.
On 09/29/2016 03:21 PM, juan wrote:
So what happened to Ian Murdock?
According to wiki-cesspool
"The last tweets from Murdock's Twitter account first announced that he would commit suicide, then said he would not. He reported having been assaulted by police, and having assaulted a police officer, then declared an intent to devote his life to opposing police abuse. His Twitter account was taken down shortly afterwards "
That's super believable and super transparent, just what one would expect from the Free, Open, Democratic, Just and Benevolent Western Civilizatin, right?
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Murdoch was killed in San Francisco. The SF Police Department is notoriously violent, corrupt, and abusive. So while I don't *know* what happened, I do know what is the simplest and most likely scenario: Ian Murdoch was murdered by the SFPD. Possibly for no greater reason than pissing off your typical power-tripping storm trooper. Happens all the time. Only difference is, this time it happened to a somewhat well-known man who had made great contributions to the world. Thank the gods I no longer live in that progressive fascist hellhole. On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 5:21 AM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
So what happened to Ian Murdock?
According to wiki-cesspool
"The last tweets from Murdock's Twitter account first announced that he would commit suicide, then said he would not. He reported having been assaulted by police, and having assaulted a police officer, then declared an intent to devote his life to opposing police abuse. His Twitter account was taken down shortly afterwards "
That's super believable and super transparent, just what one would expect from the Free, Open, Democratic, Just and Benevolent Western Civilizatin, right?
On 09/30/2016 05:34 AM, Jason McVetta wrote:
Murdoch was killed in San Francisco. The SF Police Department is notoriously violent, corrupt, and abusive. So while I don't *know* what happened, I do know what is the simplest and most likely scenario: Ian Murdoch was murdered by the SFPD. Possibly for no greater reason than pissing off your typical power-tripping storm trooper.
Happens all the time. Only difference is, this time it happened to a somewhat well-known man who had made great contributions to the world. Thank the gods I no longer live in that progressive fascist hellhole.
That seems likely. Perhaps, given his white middle-class background, he just pushed his luck out of ignorance. Or maybe it was suicide by cop. Perhaps to protect a life insurance payout. Or maybe he just wanted to make a statement with his death. <SNIP>
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