On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:16 PM, Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> wrote:

... Even if the right to privacy was recognized, it would only apply to government. Corporate would be free to spy on us and then sell it to the government.

this, in the traditional sense, is what John calls a "COMSEC cover-up": http://cryptome.org/2013/10/nsa-hysteria-coverup.htm meaning that the continual, most significant, and most likely to be abused and widely are commercial services and collaborations and products, where the product is your private information of any sort, that you usually unwittingly but sometimes capriciously yield to un trustworthy third parties with little constraint on secondary distribution for money to further removed stranger parties... note that fully decentralized, end-to-end secured, with properly managed keying and sessions capable technologies are resistant to these third-party weaknesses and vulnerabilities. crypto and comms and computing technology should not be abandoned en whole like the russians for their manual type writers, but the minimum required operational safety of any information processing system needs huge innovation to get from current systems to something effective and usable... hey look, it's more of those fun problems to solve again ;)