mailing list etiquette violators list
after the much successful list of coderman regarding contributors-to-be- filtered, allow me to present you the list of the most - netiquette-wise - unrespectful contributors to this list: (you can find the explanation of each lint in the source code here: https://gist.github.com/stef/f35c1339d7013f7966b8) 405 juan.g71@gmail.com nlbloat 279 70% quotebloat 75 18% quotedsig 18 4% longlines 16 4% oneliner 8 2% toppost 7 1% nosubject 1 0% fullquote 1 0% 287 cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me toppost 128 67% longsig 49 25% quotebloat 48 25% longlines 42 22% quotedsig 18 9% nlbloat 1 0% oneliner 1 0% 193 grarpamp@gmail.com longlines 132 23% nlbloat 26 4% oneliner 18 3% quotebloat 11 1% toppost 4 0% fullquote 2 0% 154 jya@pipeline.com toppost 84 35% longlines 34 14% quotebloat 17 7% nlbloat 14 5% bigmedia 2 0% oneliner 2 0% quotedsig 1 0% 151 Rayzer@riseup.net nlbloat 54 28% quotebloat 33 17% toppost 28 14% longlines 26 13% quotedsig 6 3% oneliner 2 1% bigmedia 1 0% longsig 1 0% 104 jdb10987@yahoo.com longlines 67 91% nlbloat 22 30% quotebloat 5 6% oneliner 5 6% toppost 3 4% fullquote 2 2% 96 coderman@gmail.com longlines 67 26% toppost 13 5% oneliner 5 1% nlbloat 3 1% quotebloat 3 1% bigmedia 2 0% fullquote 1 0% SHOUTS 1 0% nosubject 1 0% 89 tpb-crypto@laposte.net longlines 29 90% nlbloat 24 75% quotebloat 22 68% oneliner 12 37% toppost 1 3% quotedsig 1 3% 82 jamesdbell8@yahoo.com longlines 46 92% toppost 12 24% fullquote 10 20% quotebloat 7 14% nlbloat 5 10% longsig 1 2% quotedsig 1 2% 81 eugen@leitl.org longlines 49 59% longsig 15 18% nlbloat 8 9% oneliner 5 6% quotebloat 2 2% fullquote 1 1% toppost 1 1% 79 shelley@misanthropia.org quotebloat 31 31% nlbloat 22 22% toppost 18 18% longlines 7 7% oneliner 1 1% 78 themikebest@gmail.com toppost 31 43% quotebloat 24 33% longlines 12 16% nlbloat 7 9% bigmedia 2 2% oneliner 1 1% SHOUTS 1 1% 72 jamesdbell9@yahoo.com longlines 54 96% toppost 6 10% quotebloat 4 7% fullquote 4 7% nlbloat 3 5% longsig 1 1% 70 mirimir@riseup.net quotebloat 46 39% nlbloat 14 11% longlines 7 5% quotedsig 3 2% 67 guninski@guninski.com longlines 35 18% quotebloat 10 5% nlbloat 7 3% toppost 6 3% quotedsig 6 3% longsig 1 0% oneliner 1 0% fullquote 1 0% 58 rysiek@hackerspace.pl longlines 28 4% quotebloat 23 4% longsig 3 0% bigmedia 2 0% toppost 2 0% 55 zen@freedbms.net longlines 28 17% quotebloat 18 11% toppost 6 3% nlbloat 2 1% oneliner 1 0% 50 gwen@cypherpunks.to longsig 25 100% toppost 12 48% bigmedia 9 36% longlines 3 12% quotebloat 1 4% 45 oshwm@openmailbox.org toppost 15 38% quotebloat 12 30% longlines 11 28% nlbloat 4 10% quotedsig 2 5% oneliner 1 2% 44 mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at longlines 22 57% nlbloat 13 34% oneliner 7 18% quotebloat 1 2% toppost 1 2% 34 list@sysfu.com longlines 23 23% nlbloat 3 3% quotebloat 3 3% bigmedia 2 2% oneliner 2 2% toppost 1 1% 29 komachi@openmailbox.org longlines 11 34% toppost 10 31% quotebloat 4 12% longsig 2 6% quotedsig 2 6% 28 sdw@lig.net longlines 20 90% quotebloat 3 13% longsig 2 9% toppost 2 9% nlbloat 1 4% 27 tim@diffalt.com toppost 17 53% quotebloat 9 28% longlines 1 3% 26 drwho@virtadpt.net longlines 20 20% longsig 6 6% 25 shelley@misanthropia.info longlines 9 36% quotebloat 8 32% nlbloat 6 24% toppost 1 4% quotedsig 1 4% 25 tigrutigru@gmail.com longlines 7 100% quotebloat 6 85% toppost 5 71% quotedsig 5 71% nlbloat 2 28% 24 hettinga@gmail.com longlines 11 34% nlbloat 6 18% quotebloat 3 9% toppost 2 6% oneliner 1 3% quotedsig 1 3% 22 griffin@cryptolab.net longlines 7 18% toppost 7 18% quotebloat 5 13% longsig 3 8% 21 carimachet@gmail.com longsig 12 85% longlines 6 42% toppost 2 14% quotebloat 1 7% 21 odinn.cyberguerrilla@riseup.net longlines 13 20% quotebloat 5 7% toppost 3 4% 19 bluelotus@openmailbox.org longlines 10 90% nlbloat 4 36% oneliner 4 36% toppost 1 9% 18 electromagnetize@gmail.com toppost 8 16% longlines 6 12% quotebloat 2 4% bigmedia 1 2% nlbloat 1 2% 18 badbiosvictim@ruggedinbox.com longlines 6 100% toppost 5 83% quotebloat 4 66% nlbloat 2 33% oneliner 1 16% 18 dal@riseup.net toppost 10 40% longlines 5 20% quotebloat 3 12% 18 ryacko@gmail.com quotebloat 6 20% toppost 5 17% nlbloat 3 10% oneliner 2 6% longlines 2 6% 17 wirelesswarrior@safe-mail.net longlines 15 88% toppost 2 11% 16 cyberkiller8@gmail.com longsig 16 100% 15 afalex169@gmail.com quotebloat 4 13% oneliner 4 13% toppost 4 13% longlines 2 6% nlbloat 1 3% 14 tbiehn@gmail.com toppost 8 66% quotebloat 3 25% longsig 2 16% longlines 1 8% 14 gfoster@entersection.org longlines 14 58% 14 oottela@cs.helsinki.fi toppost 11 64% longlines 2 11% quotebloat 1 5% 12 contact@subrosa.io longlines 4 100% nlbloat 2 50% quotebloat 2 50% oneliner 2 50% toppost 2 50% 12 alfiej@fastmail.fm longlines 7 13% toppost 3 5% quotebloat 2 3% 12 loki@obscura.com toppost 4 100% quotebloat 3 75% longlines 3 75% quotedsig 2 50% 11 dan@geer.org nlbloat 6 13% longlines 5 11% 11 bizdevcon@icloud.com longlines 5 83% toppost 3 50% nlbloat 2 33% quotebloat 1 16% 11 s@ctrlc.hu longlines 5 10% quotebloat 2 4% toppost 2 4% nlbloat 1 2% longsig 1 2% 10 john@johnlgrubbs.net longlines 3 75% toppost 3 75% quotebloat 2 50% nlbloat 1 25% oneliner 1 25% 9 vfwavrwava@yandex.com longlines 4 66% htmlonly 2 33% quotebloat 1 16% nosubject 1 16% toppost 1 16% 9 gutemhc@gmail.com longlines 6 100% quotebloat 1 16% oneliner 1 16% toppost 1 16% 8 jahlove@riseup.net toppost 3 75% quotebloat 2 50% longlines 2 50% nlbloat 1 25% 8 tedks@riseup.net toppost 5 27% quotebloat 2 11% quotedsig 1 5% 8 softservant@gmail.com toppost 6 31% nlbloat 1 5% quotebloat 1 5% 8 rich@openwatch.net longlines 7 36% toppost 1 5% 8 lists@silent1.net quotebloat 2 40% toppost 2 40% fullquote 2 40% nlbloat 1 20% oneliner 1 20% 7 blibbet@gmail.com longlines 6 26% nlbloat 1 4% 7 jwcase@gmail.com nlbloat 2 100% quotebloat 2 100% toppost 2 100% longlines 1 50% 7 chgans@gna.org quotebloat 4 50% nlbloat 2 25% longlines 1 12% 7 mrbits.dcf@gmail.com longlines 7 100% 7 europus@gmail.com nlbloat 4 28% quotebloat 1 7% longlines 1 7% toppost 1 7% 7 wahspilihp@gmail.com longlines 4 100% nlbloat 2 50% quotebloat 1 25% 6 z9wahqvh@gmail.com toppost 4 100% quotebloat 2 50% 6 cypherpunks@cheiraminhavirilha.com quotebloat 3 33% longlines 2 22% nlbloat 1 11% 6 nymble@gmail.com nlbloat 2 100% longlines 2 100% quotebloat 1 50% toppost 1 50% 6 jamesd@echeque.com quotebloat 3 4% nlbloat 2 2% oneliner 1 1% 6 beam@rayservers.net nlbloat 2 40% quotebloat 2 40% toppost 2 40% 6 wb8foz@nrk.com nlbloat 4 57% oneliner 1 14% longlines 1 14% 6 snehan.kekre612@protonmail.ch htmlonly 5 83% longlines 1 16% 6 kurt.buff@gmail.com toppost 3 50% quotebloat 2 33% longlines 1 16% 6 jerry@jerryrw.com longlines 4 100% nlbloat 2 50% 6 nickeconopouly@gmail.com quotebloat 3 50% nlbloat 3 50% 5 seanl@literati.org quotebloat 2 15% toppost 2 15% longlines 1 7% 5 bbrewer@littledystopia.net nlbloat 1 33% quotebloat 1 33% longlines 1 33% toppost 1 33% quotedsig 1 33% 5 joe_wang@yahoo.com longlines 2 100% quotebloat 1 50% toppost 1 50% fullquote 1 50% 5 pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz nlbloat 3 12% longlines 2 8% 5 cypher@cpunk.us nlbloat 2 11% quotebloat 2 11% longlines 1 5% 5 nathan@squimp.com quotebloat 2 20% toppost 2 20% longlines 1 10% 5 jwelicker@gmail.com quotebloat 2 100% toppost 2 100% nlbloat 1 50% 5 measl@mfn.org longsig 5 100% 5 bizdevcon@protonmail.ch longlines 3 75% fullquote 1 25% toppost 1 25% 5 4chaos.onelove@gmail.com longlines 4 80% toppost 1 20% 5 aestetix@aestetix.com quotebloat 2 40% toppost 2 40% nlbloat 1 20% 5 mike@gogulski.com toppost 3 50% nlbloat 1 16% quotebloat 1 16% 5 yassww@cock.li quotebloat 2 100% toppost 2 100% quotedsig 1 50% 4 drjfeinstein@mail.com nlbloat 1 33% longlines 1 33% toppost 1 33% htmlonly 1 33% 4 lnemitoff@foregroundsecurity.com nlbloat 1 100% quotebloat 1 100% oneliner 1 100% toppost 1 100% 4 matej.kovacic@owca.info longlines 3 23% toppost 1 7% 4 thetransintransgenic@gmail.com toppost 2 33% quotebloat 1 16% longlines 1 16% 4 wilder@trip.sk quotebloat 1 33% longlines 1 33% toppost 1 33% quotedsig 1 33% 4 nelson_mikel@yahoo.com nlbloat 2 66% longlines 2 66% 4 comzeradd@fsfe.org longlines 2 28% nlbloat 1 14% quotebloat 1 14% 4 rtomek@ceti.pl longsig 4 80% 4 kyboren@riseup.net quotebloat 2 33% longlines 1 16% toppost 1 16% 4 hozer@hozed.org longsig 2 22% longlines 2 22% 3 kevinsisco61784@gmail.com quotebloat 1 100% longsig 1 100% quotedsig 1 100% 3 ei8fdb@ei8fdb.org nlbloat 1 100% longlines 1 100% toppost 1 100% 3 M373@riseup.net toppost 3 75% 3 EricHernandez@openmailbox.org quotebloat 1 100% longlines 1 100% toppost 1 100% 3 politynews@gmx.com longlines 3 37% 3 mrjones2020@gmail.com toppost 2 66% quotebloat 1 33% 3 jtmurphy@cmu.edu quotebloat 2 50% longsig 1 25% 3 k@friendlygruppen.se quotebloat 1 100% longlines 1 100% toppost 1 100% 3 archivists@protonmail.ch nlbloat 1 100% oneliner 1 100% longlines 1 100% 3 goran@gothic.com.au nlbloat 1 33% longlines 1 33% toppost 1 33% 3 boyscity@gmail.com nlbloat 1 100% quotebloat 1 100% toppost 1 100% 3 steve@secretvolcanobase.org longlines 3 100% 3 patrick.c.connolly@gmail.com quotebloat 1 100% longlines 1 100% toppost 1 100% 3 davidroman96@gmail.com nlbloat 1 16% quotebloat 1 16% toppost 1 16% 3 StealthMonger@nym.mixmin.net longsig 2 66% longlines 1 33% 3 cpunks@martin-studio.com toppost 2 100% quotebloat 1 50% 3 gizmoguy1@gmail.com nlbloat 1 33% quotebloat 1 33% toppost 1 33% 3 iam@kjro.se quotebloat 1 50% toppost 1 50% quotedsig 1 50% 3 eric@konklone.com longlines 2 33% longsig 1 16% 3 yan@mit.edu quotebloat 1 100% toppost 1 100% quotedsig 1 100% 3 me@staticsafe.ca quotedsig 2 50% longlines 1 25% 3 colinmahns@riseup.net quotebloat 1 100% longlines 1 100% toppost 1 100% 3 admin@pilobilus.net nlbloat 1 1% oneliner 1 1% longlines 1 1% 3 moritz@headstrong.de toppost 2 28% quotebloat 1 14% 3 gbnewby@pglaf.org quotebloat 1 50% toppost 1 50% quotedsig 1 50% 3 cryptomars@cryptoparty.fr quotebloat 2 33% longlines 1 16% 3 mezger.benjamin@gmail.com longlines 2 50% longsig 1 25% 3 william@tuffbizz.com quotebloat 1 50% toppost 1 50% quotedsig 1 50% 3 fredconcklin@gmail.com nlbloat 1 100% quotebloat 1 100% toppost 1 100% 2 read@ch1p.com toppost 2 100% 2 digitalfolklore@protonmail.ch htmlonly 2 100% 2 peter@m-o-o-t.org quotebloat 1 16% nlbloat 1 16% 2 jsalvia@gmail.com toppost 1 100% quotebloat 1 100% 2 ygwald@brandeis.edu quotebloat 2 25% 2 coruus@gmail.com toppost 1 100% quotebloat 1 100% 2 jason.mcvetta@gmail.com toppost 1 16% quotebloat 1 16% 2 georgemaschke@posteo.de longlines 2 66% 2 lists@cooperq.com toppost 1 50% quotebloat 1 50% 2 scott@sbce.org longlines 2 100% 2 antitree@gmail.com toppost 1 100% quotebloat 1 100% 2 damico@dcon.com.br toppost 1 25% longlines 1 25% 2 jd.cypherpunks@gmail.com nlbloat 1 50% longlines 1 50% 2 mike@confidantmail.org toppost 1 14% quotebloat 1 14% 2 pranesh@cis-india.org longsig 1 100% longlines 1 100% 2 rodionraskolnikov@riseup.net toppost 1 100% longlines 1 100% 2 otr@riseup.net toppost 1 100% longlines 1 100% 2 jon@callas.org nlbloat 1 100% longlines 1 100% 2 anthony@cajuntechie.org toppost 1 100% quotebloat 1 100% 2 cindy.baginski@piratenpartei-nms.de quotebloat 1 100% longlines 1 100% 2 lblissett@paranoici.org quotebloat 1 33% longlines 1 33% 2 thomas.fischermann@zeit.de quotebloat 1 100% nlbloat 1 100% 2 kossy@riseup.net oneliner 1 100% nlbloat 1 100% 2 parker@eff.org toppost 1 100% longsig 1 100% 2 itg@itechgeek.com toppost 1 100% longlines 1 100% 2 klokanek@eldar.cz toppost 1 100% longsig 1 100% 2 tom@vondein.org toppost 1 7% nlbloat 1 7% 2 mark00thomas@gmail.com toppost 1 100% longlines 1 100% 2 andreas@junius.info toppost 1 50% nlbloat 1 50% 2 yearofthemonkey@riseup.net longlines 2 100% 2 lists@infosecurity.ch toppost 1 25% longlines 1 25% 2 groundhog593@riseup.net toppost 1 20% longlines 1 20% 2 martin.rublik@gmail.com longlines 2 100% 2 fnpaladini@gmail.com toppost 1 100% longsig 1 100% 2 madduck@madduck.net longsig 2 100% 2 yumkam@gmail.com longlines 2 50% 2 schear.steve@gmail.com toppost 1 25% quotebloat 1 25% 1 bizdevcon@protonmail.com longlines 1 100% 1 pc@loom.cc nlbloat 1 20% 1 danstaples@disman.tl toppost 1 100% 1 guido@witmond.nl longlines 1 16% 1 skquinn@rushpost.com longsig 1 5% 1 wilfred@vt.edu toppost 1 33% 1 tommy@collison.ie toppost 1 50% 1 hannes@mehnert.org longlines 1 14% 1 dstainton415@gmail.com longlines 1 100% 1 jacob@appelbaum.net longlines 1 50% 1 plaunit61398@gmail.com toppost 1 100% 1 fe.peressim@gmail.com longlines 1 100% 1 listes@sploing.be longlines 1 100% 1 c4p0@cyberguerrilla.org toppost 1 100% 1 reed@unsafeword.org toppost 1 100% 1 adam@cypherspace.org toppost 1 50% 1 ban@unseen.is longlines 1 100% 1 vbotka@gmail.com longlines 1 100% 1 demonfighter@gmail.com oneliner 1 7% 1 jens@kubieziel.de longlines 1 100% 1 katana@riseup.net longlines 1 33% 1 albill@openbuddha.com nlbloat 1 50% 1 erehwon@c4i.org longlines 1 100% 1 me@brendafernandez.com longlines 1 100% 1 und3rt4k3r@riseup.net longlines 1 100% 1 ryan.pear@ownbay.net longlines 1 50% 1 rayzer@riseup.net longlines 1 100% 1 shidash@shidash.com longlines 1 100% 1 1337whynot@safe-mail.net longlines 1 100% 1 meandmine@gmx.com quotebloat 1 100% 1 sean@alexan.org quotebloat 1 100% 1 nicolasbourbaki@riseup.net toppost 1 16% 1 JS733NknRj6J@protonmail.com longlines 1 100% 1 rdohm321@gmail.com toppost 1 100% 1 3ndless@riseup.net longlines 1 100% 1 davispuh@gmail.com longlines 1 100% 1 d0rk@warpmail.net longlines 1 100% 1 adg@crypto.lo.gy toppost 1 50% 1 mjones@pencil.allmail.net toppost 1 100% 1 x50@fastmail.fm longlines 1 50% 1 jonas.hedman@fripost.org quotebloat 1 100% 1 jessetaylor84@riseup.net bigmedia 1 33% 1 kanzure@gmail.com longlines 1 100% 1 yushbhardwaj91@gmail.com nlbloat 1 100% 1 tpetru@gmail.com longlines 1 100% -- otr fp: https://www.ctrlc.hu/~stef/otr.txt
On October 25, 2015 9:46:16 AM stef <s@ctrlc.hu> wrote:
after the much successful list of coderman regarding contributors-to-be- filtered, allow me to present you the list of the most - netiquette-wise - unrespectful contributors to this list:
[Snip] Observation: with a few exceptions, those of us who have been using the 'net for longer than most (and presumably understand the principles of netiquette from the BBS days) are at the top of the list. It's a good reminder; thanks, Stef. Note to self: must unsubscribe old email address. Derp. -Shelley
On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 6:31 AM, stef <s@ctrlc.hu> wrote:
after the much successful list of coderman
c-man gets best non-troll yet troll happened award in a while.
longlines 132 23% nlbloat 26 4% ...
Suckass MUA, Ima fix that shit someday so'z I can be all tight and oldschool BBS 1337 again.
On 10/25/15 10:47 AM, grarpamp wrote:
On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 6:31 AM, stef <s@ctrlc.hu> wrote:
after the much successful list of coderman c-man gets best non-troll yet troll happened award in a while.
longlines 132 23% nlbloat 26 4% ...
Suckass MUA, Ima fix that shit someday so'z I can be all tight and oldschool BBS 1337 again.
Long lines is a bad thing? I hate email clients or mailing lists that auto-wrap actual text instead of the view. That is terribly retro. My current edit window, which is only 2/3 of my screen width, is 226 characters wide. Who doesn't use Thunderbird anyway? Everything else is broken and unprofessional. (Your script doesn't rank flamebait yet... ;-) ) sdw
On 10/25/15, Stephen D. Williams <sdw@lig.net> wrote:
On 10/25/15 10:47 AM, grarpamp wrote:
On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 6:31 AM, stef <s@ctrlc.hu> wrote:
after the much successful list of coderman c-man gets best non-troll yet troll happened award in a while.
longlines 132 23% nlbloat 26 4% ...
Suckass MUA, Ima fix that shit someday so'z I can be all tight and oldschool BBS 1337 again.
Long lines is a bad thing? I hate email clients or mailing lists that auto-wrap actual text instead of the view. That is terribly retro. My current edit window, which is only 2/3 of my screen width, is 226 characters wide.
That's nothing! Back in the day, my screen wrapped everything, at 40 characters! We were GRATEFUL for 80 character heaven. <apologies to Monty Python>
On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 11:08:24AM -0700, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
Who doesn't use Thunderbird anyway? Everything else is broken and unprofessional. (Your script doesn't rank flamebait yet... ;-) )
This is how your mail looks in mutt: http://i.imgur.com/NPLcvau.png?1 As you can see, not everyone is using Thunderbird, in fact most people use Outlook anyway . And there *are* indeed people on this planet who still read mails on the console. Also take note that it is easier to read text in smaller columns than if it is as wide as the whole monitor. That's the reason news papers print text in columns and not as 60cm wide articles. - Tom
On October 26, 2015 12:10:01 AM Tom <tom@vondein.org> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 11:08:24AM -0700, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
Who doesn't use Thunderbird anyway? Everything else is broken and unprofessional. (Your script doesn't rank flamebait yet... ;-) )
This is how your mail looks in mutt: http://i.imgur.com/NPLcvau.png?1
As you can see, not everyone is using Thunderbird, in fact most people use Outlook anyway . And there *are* indeed people on this planet who still read mails on the console.
Also take note that it is easier to read text in smaller columns than if it is as wide as the whole monitor. That's the reason news papers print text in columns and not as 60cm wide articles.
- Tom
Nice screenshot & reminder of newsprint columns. (Truly; not meant to be sarcastic.) But M$ Outlook? Not even on a bet. Heh. In all seriousness, am I the only person who uses a mobile device to access email for .75 of my day? I don't want to endlessly scroll across or pinch & zoom my email. -S
On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Tom <tom@vondein.org> wrote:
This is how your mail looks in mutt: http://i.imgur.com/NPLcvau.png?1
The multipart html looks like that in renderer, the mutt-wrapped plain text is better but the last bit really blows out 51 more chars to the right. http://postimg.org/image/m6b761tmr/ That's nothing compared to the garbage most people merrily jam through their MUA's into other people's boxes. Now if we had a gallery of shame for that...
(Stef... Note the extra newlines... passive-aggressive silent trolling) On 10/26/2015 12:02 AM, Tom wrote:
Also take note that it is easier to read text in smaller columns
The why are featured pieces at the top of the front page wide? NYC public schools taught me how to fold the NY Times vertically so I could read down the columns while holding onto a subway hang strap and then flip it to continue, albeit the NY Times may be the only US newspaper that technique works with. That's the ONLY time narrow columns are easy to read, unless your attention has a deficit and you lose track of your place on the line... The reason the columns are narrow is to allow for easier placement of advertising... the reason newspapers exist at all. RR
2015-10-26 18:28 GMT+01:00 Razer <Rayzer@riseup.net>:
That's the ONLY time narrow columns are easy to read, unless your attention has a deficit and you lose track of your place on the line... The reason the columns are narrow is to allow for easier placement of advertising... the reason newspapers exist at all.
Not true at all. Many people have trouble tracking long lines, partially because eyes are jumpy (not scrolling). Some people have this very seriously, but are otherwise fine (far as humans go). This is also something testable. There's empirical research. According to this <http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01449290410001715714> "An empirical demonstration carried out by Morrison and Rayner (1981) confirmed that saccade size is consistent in terms of number of characters, and not visual angle" meaning, you plop your eyes a certain amount of characters - not angle. You read a certain amount of chars per peek, and variable width might confuse you (maybe). "If the lines are too short, readers cannot make use of much information in each fixation. If line lengths are too long, the return sweeps to the beginning of the next line are difficult." Pretty straightforward/as expected "(..) 2.2A + 21 ms (Carpenter 1977), which means that the greater number of return sweeps with shorter lines will add more to the time than longer lines." Not sure about the unit of A (amplitude?) but it means you take 21 ms, plus some measure of distance, to move your eyes from x to y. The authors seem to be fans of the idea that reading speed simply improves from longer lines, up to about 130 characters, after which the line becomes unwieldy. Some in-print research showed 70 or 52 (?) characters to be the ideal width. I find it amusing that these relate roughly to coders' standards of 60, 80 or 120 characters. Ultimately, a bit offtopic and I apologize. Postultimate, write a preprocessor if you hate malformatted text so much?
On 10/26/2015 05:46 PM, Lodewijk andré de la porte wrote:
2015-10-26 18:28 GMT+01:00 Razer <Rayzer@riseup.net <mailto:Rayzer@riseup.net>>:
That's the ONLY time narrow columns are easy to read, unless your attention has a deficit and you lose track of your place on the line... The reason the columns are narrow is to allow for easier placement of advertising... the reason newspapers exist at all.
Not true at all. Many people have trouble tracking long lines, partially because eyes are jumpy (not scrolling). Some people have this very seriously, but are otherwise fine (far as humans go).
This is also something testable. There's empirical research. According to this <http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01449290410001715714> "An empirical demonstration carried out by Morrison and Rayner (1981) confirmed that saccade size is consistent in terms of number of characters, and not visual angle" meaning, you plop your eyes a certain amount of characters - not angle. You read a certain amount of chars per peek, and variable width might confuse you (maybe).
"If the lines are too short, readers cannot make use of much information in each fixation. If line lengths are too long, the return sweeps to the beginning of the next line are difficult." Pretty straightforward/as expected
"(..) 2.2A + 21 ms (Carpenter 1977), which means that the greater number of return sweeps with shorter lines will add more to the time than longer lines." Not sure about the unit of A (amplitude?) but it means you take 21 ms, plus some measure of distance, to move your eyes from x to y.
The authors seem to be fans of the idea that reading speed simply improves from longer lines, up to about 130 characters, after which the line becomes unwieldy. Some in-print research showed 70 or 52 (?) characters to be the ideal width. I find it amusing that these relate roughly to coders' standards of 60, 80 or 120 characters.
Ultimately, a bit offtopic and I apologize.
Postultimate, write a preprocessor if you hate malformatted text so much?
A wonderful longline elucidation I had no trouble reading. Must remember to do the math next time. RR Ps. Fuck experts AND their "studies". I KNOW SOMEONE got paid to to do that, and THE ADVERTISING INDUSTRY was SURELY the payee/beneficiary of the study. Have I ever mentioned that "If I were Stalin" the people I'd line up against a wall for the firing squad would be marketers, and the psychologists and sociologists that collude with them? That would also take care of academics who pimp themselves to the Pentagon's COIN programs.
2015-10-27 16:21 GMT+01:00 Razer <Rayzer@riseup.net>:
Have I ever mentioned that "If I were Stalin" the people I'd line up against a wall for the firing squad would be marketers, and the psychologists and sociologists that collude with them?
geez, chill it's not like they're intentionally malicious
On 10/27/2015 10:27 AM, Lodewijk andré de la porte wrote:
2015-10-27 16:21 GMT+01:00 Razer <Rayzer@riseup.net <mailto:Rayzer@riseup.net>>:
Have I ever mentioned that "If I were Stalin" the people I'd line up against a wall for the firing squad would be marketers, and the psychologists and sociologists that collude with them?
geez, chill it's not like they're intentionally malicious
I can hear it now, from the tribunal hall:
"I vas only following grant money!"
For some people, four walls are three too many. Do you REALIZE the amount of neuro-psychogical damage advertising has done to industrial societies. Let's start with the net socioeconomic effect of revolving charge consumer debt economic slavery because 'shiny .. shiny' "stuff" which we'll be subhuman if we don't own, bombarding our brains almost every waking second today... "Elections" ... What DO you think the US political parties are doing with that flood of Citizens United corporate cash? Get-out-the-vote phone banks? ROTF! http://razedbywolves.blogspot.com/2010/01/its-not-money-its-what-they-do-wit... I COULD go on... But I'll refer you to this entertaining music video instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYTRIGtyZ44 RR
On October 27, 2015 10:49:05 AM Razer <Rayzer@riseup.net> wrote: A post which I agree with, 100%. Comments inline.
On 10/27/2015 10:27 AM, Lodewijk andré de la porte wrote:
2015-10-27 16:21 GMT+01:00 Razer <Rayzer@riseup.net <mailto:Rayzer@riseup.net>>:
Have I ever mentioned that "If I were Stalin" the people I'd line up against a wall for the firing squad would be marketers, and the psychologists and sociologists that collude with them?
geez, chill it's not like they're intentionally malicious
I can hear it now, from the tribunal hall:
"I vas only following grant money!"
Yep! Milgram thoroughly discredited the "only following orders" excuse decades ago. (Look deeper the initial study they always talk about in popular media; Milgram repeated that experiment covering nearly every variable, at least 40 of them. 0% (zero) of participants continued administering the faux, potentially damaging/fatal shocks when told "you have no choice." Z e r o.)
For some people, four walls are three too many. Do you REALIZE the amount of neuro-psychogical damage advertising has done to industrial societies.
There are not enough +1s I can give you for this.
Let's start with the net socioeconomic effect of revolving charge consumer debt economic slavery because 'shiny .. shiny' "stuff" which we'll be subhuman if we don't own, bombarding our brains almost every waking second today...
Truth. Making people think they must have useless crap... and hey, mindless consuming = economic stimulus, so now you're patriotic! It's pernicious and deceitful. This manipulative propaganda has incredibly negative effects it has on the very concept of self. It sets up unrealistic expectations of everything from self image to gender roles. A complete distortion of what society is and what really matters in life. They'll say anything to make a buck, and it *must* be true because it's on the tee vee! You know, the home of "reality" shows and "fair and balanced news" for which you should "lean forward." (Left, right - all are corrupt and pwned by the same damn corporate pigs. Same hand, different puppet.)
"Elections" ... What DO you think the US political parties are doing with that flood of Citizens United corporate cash? Get-out-the-vote phone banks? ROTF!
http://razedbywolves.blogspot.com/2010/01/its-not-money-its-what-they-do-wit...
(Intentionally left in the blog post URL. If you haven't yet read it, go do that now.) That's a very insightful post, Razer. If you have to say more than that for someone to get a clue, there's not enough critical thinking left in them to get through. Citizens United... the PATRIOT ACT... gotta love how they wrap up rancid turds in shiny words. -S
Don't hate the player, hate the game. Suggestions for alternatives to the game are welcome. Saying "omg so fucked" is basically a useless culturally biased statement. I also don't like the attitude of "shiny shiny stuff" being just that. Most of our shiny stuff we get for good reason. It's easy to forget that you don't need much, but even easier to forget why we do have these things.
On October 27, 2015 12:27:39 PM Lodewijk andré de la porte <l@odewijk.nl> wrote:
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
I dislike both.
Suggestions for alternatives to the game are welcome. Saying "omg so fucked" is basically a useless culturally biased statement.
I also don't like the attitude of "shiny shiny stuff" being just that.
Most of our shiny stuff we get for good reason…
So, so wrong. Suggestions, in no particular order: - Don't buy the newest iCrap (or car or tv) every time they shit one out: you *don't * need it, I assure you. - Learn how to fix and repurpose things. Take good care of your things so they last longer. - Freecycle, trade with others - Shop at second hand and thrift stores for most things. - Think before you buy. Try to support true fair trade/fair wages and buy locally whenever possible. Hint: it's usually possible. - Use a bike or public transit whenever possible. Get rid of your car and use things like Zip Car for the few occasions when you need to use a personal vehicle. Share a car with friends if you truly need it for kids/work/whatever. - Prepare your own damn food. Go vegan. (Hey, you asked for suggestions: these are mine.) -S
On 10/27/2015 12:27 PM, Lodewijk andré de la porte wrote:
Most of our shiny stuff we get for good reason
That's what they all think... But someone whose paid to do so told them what to think, or told their parents what to think, who then passed it along to them. Is there a good reason why every individual must own a smog-belching metal box to transport their carcass around in? Is there a good reason why anyone really needs a monitor screen that's as big as their living room wall? Please reconsider what 'good reason' means. Ps. The "players" are psychopaths. I don't hate them. But they need to be kept a safe distance from the rest of their respective societies. In cages, where we can rattle the bars with sticks and taunt them just like they taunt innocent children every Saturday morning during the children's show segment of TeeVee broadcasting with ads for nutrition-less 'food' and toys made in sweatshops in far away places by people we never see, who work 18 hour days, and all seem to have dark skin and live under dictatorships. As far as alternatives. Kill your tv. Get a life that puts your community's needs ahead of yours /(now THAT'S a subversive and radical concept... 'group first, me second')/. There's an extensive list, but the repetitious drone of media drowns out sensible human behavior. RR
On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 11:08:24AM -0700, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
Who doesn't use Thunderbird anyway? Everything else is broken and unprofessional.
thunderbird is also unprofessional. the mua that sucks least is still mutt.
(Your script doesn't rank flamebait yet... ;-) )
nope indeed. -- otr fp: https://www.ctrlc.hu/~stef/otr.txt
nlbloat, iow the excessive use of empty lines. It's called CLARITY in posting when you add extra lines between quoted materials and what came before/comes after. I put one line above a quote, and 2 below, and have for years... Fuck 'nlbloat'. It's obviously an 'issue' created by people (NetNazis) who never read the actual content of postings anyway.
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 11:31:24 +0100 stef <s@ctrlc.hu> wrote:
after the much successful list of coderman regarding contributors-to-be- filtered, allow me to present you the list of the most - netiquette-wise - unrespectful contributors to this list:
(you can find the explanation of each lint in the source code here: https://gist.github.com/stef/f35c1339d7013f7966b8)
405 juan.g71@gmail.com
nlbloat 279 70% quotebloat 75 18%
newlines and meaninful quotes, yes of course. both completly by design fuck your newline counting script
There are still some types of "disrespect" I haven't committed yet, I'll have to cover those off with future emails :D On 25/10/15 20:47, Juan wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 11:31:24 +0100 stef <s@ctrlc.hu> wrote:
after the much successful list of coderman regarding contributors-to-be- filtered, allow me to present you the list of the most - netiquette-wise - unrespectful contributors to this list:
(you can find the explanation of each lint in the source code here: https://gist.github.com/stef/f35c1339d7013f7966b8)
405 juan.g71@gmail.com nlbloat 279 70% quotebloat 75 18%
newlines and meaninful quotes, yes of course. both completly by design
fuck
your
newline
counting
script
All of the originals are stego, ambitiously stego'd large twice, and continuing with every message. Insert stego here, ridicule and forward hollowing like a monkey with tiny balls, to Slashdot, Reddit, 4chan, Wayback, Google, Snowden, Manning, WikiLeaks, Il Papa, Wailing Wall, SecureDrop Honey Pot. cc, bcc, spam, sock puppet, cloud, gameboy, slop it. At 04:56 PM 10/25/2015, you wrote:
There are still some types of "disrespect" I haven't committed yet, I'll have to cover those off with future emails :D
On 25/10/15 20:47, Juan wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 11:31:24 +0100 stef <s@ctrlc.hu> wrote:
after the much successful list of coderman regarding contributors-to-be- filtered, allow me to present you the list of the most - netiquette-wise - unrespectful contributors to this list:
(you can find the explanation of each lint in the source code here: https://gist.github.com/stef/f35c1339d7013f7966b8)
405 juan.g71@gmail.com nlbloat 279 70% quotebloat 75 18%
newlines and meaninful quotes, yes of course. both completly by design
fuck
your
newline
counting
script
On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 11:31:24AM +0100, stef wrote:
after the much successful list of coderman regarding contributors-to-be- filtered, allow me to present you the list of the most - netiquette-wise - unrespectful contributors to this list:
(you can find the explanation of each lint in the source code here: https://gist.github.com/stef/f35c1339d7013f7966b8)
I think my longlines trolls are false positives. Using vim for composing with wrapping. Would be very surprised if the long lines aren't covered by: 1. Quoting long lines (Don't feel like editing what I reply to) 2. Long URLs without whitespace As an aside, another fuckometer is number of times "fuck" appears in the message ;)
Dnia poniedziałek, 26 października 2015 14:39:16 Georgi Guninski pisze:
As an aside, another fuckometer is number of times "fuck" appears in the message ;)
Fuck, I was just thinking that. :) -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 02:39:16PM +0200, Georgi Guninski wrote:
On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 11:31:24AM +0100, stef wrote:
after the much successful list of coderman regarding contributors-to-be- filtered, allow me to present you the list of the most - netiquette-wise - unrespectful contributors to this list:
(you can find the explanation of each lint in the source code here: https://gist.github.com/stef/f35c1339d7013f7966b8)
I think my longlines trolls are false positives.
as it states in the doc in the gist, longlines can be false positives, especially with urls.
1. Quoting long lines (Don't feel like editing what I reply to)
iirc long lined quotes are not counted towards the quoter
As an aside, another fuckometer is number of times "fuck" appears in the message ;)
indeed, a nice one. -- otr fp: https://www.ctrlc.hu/~stef/otr.txt
How did I not end up on this list? I have these accidental quote accidents quite a lot :s (and was also on coderman's list, I believe. Probably because I'm an obnoxious brat.)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 I find it interesting that this "list filtering" is going on at the same time that the censorship was just initiated in bitcoin-dev (where emerging mods are making similar claims, but not allowing anyone to contest the issue; all dissenting replies to the "new policy" go into a round file or are shunted off to another list). What we are seeing is the collective dissolving of backbone of online societies; it may be subconscious or it may even be intentional ~ in the end, it doesn't matter: It's happening. It would not surprise me at all if this e-mail I am writing right now never is seen by the cypherpunks list at all (or at least, if those persons who claim to be lords of netiquette, never see it because they have already decided that I and others should be filtered out). After all, my name does appear on the "contributurs-to-be-filtered." I will soon be removing myself from cypherpunks and bitcoin-dev. I am getting tired of being on lists that function more like ggautoblocker & blocktogether than a forum for freedom of expression. A reminder, I suppose, is in order, that unless we have fora that cannot be censored or (easily) filtered (diaspora may be a good example, and possibly zeronet) then we cannot express ourselves freely, and the extent of our ideas (and by extension, ourselves) cannot be said to be free at any level, or in any way, shape, or form. Free thought requires free expression. Goodbye. - - Odinn stef:
after the much successful list of coderman regarding contributors-to-be- filtered, allow me to present you the list of the most - netiquette-wise - unrespectful contributors to this list:
(you can find the explanation of each lint in the source code here: https://gist.github.com/stef/f35c1339d7013f7966b8)
405 juan.g71@gmail.com nlbloat 279 70% quotebloat 75 18% quotedsig 18 4% longlines 16 4% oneliner 8 2% toppost 7 1% nosubject 1 0% fullquote 1 0% 287 cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me toppost 128 67% longsig 49 25% quotebloat 48 25% longlines 42 22% quotedsig 18 9% nlbloat 1 0% oneliner 1 0% 193 grarpamp@gmail.com longlines 132 23% nlbloat 26 4% oneliner 18 3% quotebloat 11 1% toppost 4 0% fullquote 2 0% 154 jya@pipeline.com toppost 84 35% longlines 34 14% quotebloat 17 7% nlbloat 14 5% bigmedia 2 0% oneliner 2 0% quotedsig 1 0% 151 Rayzer@riseup.net nlbloat 54 28% quotebloat 33 17% toppost 28 14% longlines 26 13% quotedsig 6 3% oneliner 2 1% bigmedia 1 0% longsig 1 0% 104 jdb10987@yahoo.com longlines 67 91% nlbloat 22 30% quotebloat 5 6% oneliner 5 6% toppost 3 4% fullquote 2 2% 96 coderman@gmail.com longlines 67 26% toppost 13 5% oneliner 5 1% nlbloat 3 1% quotebloat 3 1% bigmedia 2 0% fullquote 1 0% SHOUTS 1 0% nosubject 1 0% 89 tpb-crypto@laposte.net longlines 29 90% nlbloat 24 75% quotebloat 22 68% oneliner 12 37% toppost 1 3% quotedsig 1 3% 82 jamesdbell8@yahoo.com longlines 46 92% toppost 12 24% fullquote 10 20% quotebloat 7 14% nlbloat 5 10% longsig 1 2% quotedsig 1 2% 81 eugen@leitl.org longlines 49 59% longsig 15 18% nlbloat 8 9% oneliner 5 6% quotebloat 2 2% fullquote 1 1% toppost 1 1% 79 shelley@misanthropia.org quotebloat 31 31% nlbloat 22 22% toppost 18 18% longlines 7 7% oneliner 1 1% 78 themikebest@gmail.com toppost 31 43% quotebloat 24 33% longlines 12 16% nlbloat 7 9% bigmedia 2 2% oneliner 1 1% SHOUTS 1 1% 72 jamesdbell9@yahoo.com longlines 54 96% toppost 6 10% quotebloat 4 7% fullquote 4 7% nlbloat 3 5% longsig 1 1% 70 mirimir@riseup.net quotebloat 46 39% nlbloat 14 11% longlines 7 5% quotedsig 3 2% 67 guninski@guninski.com longlines 35 18% quotebloat 10 5% nlbloat 7 3% toppost 6 3% quotedsig 6 3% longsig 1 0% oneliner 1 0% fullquote 1 0% 58 rysiek@hackerspace.pl longlines 28 4% quotebloat 23 4% longsig 3 0% bigmedia 2 0% toppost 2 0% 55 zen@freedbms.net longlines 28 17% quotebloat 18 11% toppost 6 3% nlbloat 2 1% oneliner 1 0% 50 gwen@cypherpunks.to longsig 25 100% toppost 12 48% bigmedia 9 36% longlines 3 12% quotebloat 1 4% 45 oshwm@openmailbox.org toppost 15 38% quotebloat 12 30% longlines 11 28% nlbloat 4 10% quotedsig 2 5% oneliner 1 2% 44 mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at longlines 22 57% nlbloat 13 34% oneliner 7 18% quotebloat 1 2% toppost 1 2% 34 list@sysfu.com longlines 23 23% nlbloat 3 3% quotebloat 3 3% bigmedia 2 2% oneliner 2 2% toppost 1 1% 29 komachi@openmailbox.org longlines 11 34% toppost 10 31% quotebloat 4 12% longsig 2 6% quotedsig 2 6% 28 sdw@lig.net longlines 20 90% quotebloat 3 13% longsig 2 9% toppost 2 9% nlbloat 1 4% 27 tim@diffalt.com toppost 17 53% quotebloat 9 28% longlines 1 3% 26 drwho@virtadpt.net longlines 20 20% longsig 6 6% 25 shelley@misanthropia.info longlines 9 36% quotebloat 8 32% nlbloat 6 24% toppost 1 4% quotedsig 1 4% 25 tigrutigru@gmail.com longlines 7 100% quotebloat 6 85% toppost 5 71% quotedsig 5 71% nlbloat 2 28% 24 hettinga@gmail.com longlines 11 34% nlbloat 6 18% quotebloat 3 9% toppost 2 6% oneliner 1 3% quotedsig 1 3% 22 griffin@cryptolab.net longlines 7 18% toppost 7 18% quotebloat 5 13% longsig 3 8% 21 carimachet@gmail.com longsig 12 85% longlines 6 42% toppost 2 14% quotebloat 1 7% 21 odinn.cyberguerrilla@riseup.net longlines 13 20% quotebloat 5 7% toppost 3 4% 19 bluelotus@openmailbox.org longlines 10 90% nlbloat 4 36% oneliner 4 36% toppost 1 9% 18 electromagnetize@gmail.com toppost 8 16% longlines 6 12% quotebloat 2 4% bigmedia 1 2% nlbloat 1 2% 18 badbiosvictim@ruggedinbox.com longlines 6 100% toppost 5 83% quotebloat 4 66% nlbloat 2 33% oneliner 1 16% 18 dal@riseup.net toppost 10 40% longlines 5 20% quotebloat 3 12% 18 ryacko@gmail.com quotebloat 6 20% toppost 5 17% nlbloat 3 10% oneliner 2 6% longlines 2 6% 17 wirelesswarrior@safe-mail.net longlines 15 88% toppost 2 11% 16 cyberkiller8@gmail.com longsig 16 100% 15 afalex169@gmail.com 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oneliner 1 16% toppost 1 16% 8 jahlove@riseup.net toppost 3 75% quotebloat 2 50% longlines 2 50% nlbloat 1 25% 8 tedks@riseup.net toppost 5 27% quotebloat 2 11% quotedsig 1 5% 8 softservant@gmail.com toppost 6 31% nlbloat 1 5% quotebloat 1 5% 8 rich@openwatch.net longlines 7 36% toppost 1 5% 8 lists@silent1.net quotebloat 2 40% toppost 2 40% fullquote 2 40% nlbloat 1 20% oneliner 1 20% 7 blibbet@gmail.com longlines 6 26% nlbloat 1 4% 7 jwcase@gmail.com nlbloat 2 100% quotebloat 2 100% toppost 2 100% longlines 1 50% 7 chgans@gna.org quotebloat 4 50% nlbloat 2 25% longlines 1 12% 7 mrbits.dcf@gmail.com longlines 7 100% 7 europus@gmail.com nlbloat 4 28% quotebloat 1 7% longlines 1 7% toppost 1 7% 7 wahspilihp@gmail.com longlines 4 100% nlbloat 2 50% quotebloat 1 25% 6 z9wahqvh@gmail.com toppost 4 100% quotebloat 2 50% 6 cypherpunks@cheiraminhavirilha.com quotebloat 3 33% longlines 2 22% nlbloat 1 11% 6 nymble@gmail.com nlbloat 2 100% longlines 2 100% quotebloat 1 50% toppost 1 50% 6 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On 10/28/2015 12:55 AM, odinn wrote:
I find it interesting that this "list filtering" is going on at the same time that the censorship was just initiated in bitcoin-dev (where emerging mods are making similar claims, but not allowing anyone to contest the issue; all dissenting replies to the "new policy" go into a round file or are shunted off to another list).
I've seen no evidence of list filtering on <cypherpunks@cpunks.org>. <SNIP>
It would not surprise me at all if this e-mail I am writing right now never is seen by the cypherpunks list at all (or at least, if those persons who claim to be lords of netiquette, never see it because they have already decided that I and others should be filtered out). After all, my name does appear on the "contributurs-to-be-filtered."
Anyone can ignore email from anyone. You can't force people to read, or even see, your stuff.
I will soon be removing myself from cypherpunks and bitcoin-dev. I am getting tired of being on lists that function more like ggautoblocker & blocktogether than a forum for freedom of expression.
Maybe relax a little? <SNIP>
On October 28, 2015 12:39:36 AM Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
I've seen no evidence of list filtering on <cypherpunks@cpunks.org>.
<SNIP>
Same. There has been plenty of noise and outright stupidity at times (far worse than anything of recent weeks), and I have never known RSW to censor or filter the list. I'd hope you'd elect to stay, odinn. Your voice has always been welcome here. Who cares about some random, anonymous coward's pastebin list? Jmho. -Shelley
On 10/27/2015 11:55 PM, odinn wrote:
What we are seeing is the collective dissolving of backbone of online societies; it may be subconscious or it may even be intentional ~ in the end, it doesn't matter: It's happening.
As above (real world) so below (cyber-world)' Psychopaths with agendas rise to the top of the 'food chain' and destroy the host society, or at least the element of that society that doesn't subscribe to that agenda. In political organizing this often happens when involvement is at a nadir and the psychopaths commandeer the organization by otherwise legitimate means. I don't know who the owner of the Cypherpunks list is but I understand it IS NOT moderated, so anyone who keeps a filter list of people they consider 'undesirable posters' is free to do so, and keep their fuck fuck fucking (for those who keep a 'fuck' counter) problem to themselves. Personally, compared to other lists I'm involved with, I see no mean-spirited trolling or intentionall disruption of threads here. Just free form discussion that 'ranges'. RR
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:55 AM, odinn <odinn.cyberguerrilla@riseup.net> wrote:
What we are seeing is the collective dissolving of backbone of societies; it may be subconscious or it may even be intentional ~ in the end, it doesn't matter: It's happening. ... they have already decided that I and others should be filtered out
It's intentional, they're winning, and you gave them data knowledge SMTP and power to do it. Mining, surveilling, vacuuming, controlling, PATRIOT CISA, and bs laws upon bs policies, protecting the top echelon... they're spooling up and becoming self aware, a SkyNet with rendition and disappearing powers, faster than you were supposed to be doing with your own Western Spring... too much iWhatever, go go USA, beer and Simpsons it seems. Millions of your circlejerked words, petitions, letters... lol, fuck you, we do as we please they say. Keep on bending over and taking it up the ass, serfs, you know you love it. It's beyond serious now, a heavy unbalance... another good crash, millions in the streets, a Spring to resolve it all, who knows... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQAASBAYKsI You're going to need some good p2p to organize and sustain that when it happens, because unlike what they played in the mideast, this show sure as shit isn't going down on facetwatter, it'll be censored. Better get off these stupid threads and start coding, testing and acting... punks.
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