On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 01:10:16 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
You are writing as if what you, personally, think you need (or don't need) somehow applies to everyone else. Stop making things all about you.
uh oh - you accussed ME of defending google - you set the topic.
You said: "I made it pretty clear that I don't need any 'software' telling me that google-NSA-GCHQ is just a propaganda outlet for "american govcorp"." Why should anyone else find that what YOU need is sufficient for them too?
I didn't say they should. My point is that anybody who did their homework should know what google is. And what the rest of the silicon valley fascist cesspool is. And what american govcorp is. Et cetera. now, if you don't mind, explain how a text parser is going to detect 'political bias'? BUT WAIT, do you want to create some sort of website where people can allegedly check if other sites are 'biased'? And people should 'trust' YOUR site, WHY exactly?
You're suggesting that people in general have the time and inclination to "do their homework". In reality, they do not. Why do search engines exist? Because individuals do not have the ability or inclination to collect all the data on files on the Web. Letting other people do some of the work is hard to avoid. And, when I suggest that there be a bias detector, I am not saying it will identify ALL examples of of bias like a web search engine collects and sorts 'all' data. In reality, only a relatively tiny number of data points will be necessary to find bias. For example, consider this story about Jen Gennai. I suggest that there will be some news organizations that display their biases by failing to cover this story (arguably in "solidarity" with an organization that they know displays similar biases.) Look for a bias in the way a search engine covers these kinds of stories, and you can learn what drives these engines. On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 18:19, Punk<punks@tfwno.gf> wrote: On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 01:10:16 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
You are writing as if what you, personally, think you need (or don't need) somehow applies to everyone else. Stop making things all about you.
uh oh - you accussed ME of defending google - you set the topic.
You said: "I made it pretty clear that I don't need any 'software' telling me that google-NSA-GCHQ is just a propaganda outlet for "american govcorp"." Why should anyone else find that what YOU need is sufficient for them too?
I didn't say they should. My point is that anybody who did their homework should know what google is. And what the rest of the silicon valley fascist cesspool is. And what american govcorp is. Et cetera. now, if you don't mind, explain how a text parser is going to detect 'political bias'? BUT WAIT, do you want to create some sort of website where people can allegedly check if other sites are 'biased'? And people should 'trust' YOUR site, WHY exactly?
On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 05:34:59 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
You're suggesting that people in general have the time and inclination to "do their homework". In reality, they do not.
They certainly have the time. People spend most of their lives doing useless or even harmful stuff. They can easily devote a small amount of all that wasted time to educating themselves. The inclination is a different matter. They tend to lose the inclination after being indoctrinated from age 2 to 18/25/35 by family, church and govcorp. Oh that's called 'education'. And yet unless people really understand the political problems at hand, we'll get nowhere.
Why do search engines exist? Because individuals do not have the ability or inclination to collect all the data on files on the Web. Letting other people do some of the work is hard to avoid.
So individuals can run peer-to-peer search engines. A duckduckgo search for "p2p search engines" returns https://yacy.net/en/index.html as first hit. Which is what grarpamp just linked. (I candidly admit I never tried it) Hell, there could even be honest search engines instead of a monopoly run by NSA-GCHQ! But then again, one has to wonder what's going on when the Glorios Western Free Market has produced a monopoly like google?
And, when I suggest that there be a bias detector, I am not saying it will identify ALL examples of of bias like a web search engine collects and sorts 'all' data. In reality, only a relatively tiny number of data points will be necessary to find bias.
Ok, I never objected to calling out their blatant propaganda or 'bias'. The point I'm trying to make is that it's not a task that can automated.
For example, consider this story about Jen Gennai.
Yes. Did you watch the video? Did you catch the CRUCIAL part, when the google employee says that after using their 'AI' bullshit filters then there's a HUMAN going over the search queries/results and MANUALLY CENSORING the ones they don't like?
I suggest that there will be some news organizations that display their biases by failing to cover this story (arguably in "solidarity" with an organization that they know displays similar biases.)
Well of course. But that's a task that only people can do. So look here https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ "We are the most comprehensive media bias resource on the internet". There's a little problem though : are you going to BELIEVE them?
Look for a bias in the way a search engine covers these kinds of stories, and you can learn what drives these engines.
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