On Friday, July 24, 2020, 12:40:37 PM PDT, таракан <cryptoanalyzers@protonmail.com> wrote:  

(I don't say that specifically for you Jim Bell, whether you are the 'real' Jim bell or a fake)  If you want to find out that I am the "real" Jim Bell, we could do a Skype call.  There are a few pictures of me already available using Google, and a few videos on YouTube of me.  (There are MANY videos  of "Jim Bells", nearly all of which AREN'T me!!!) https://planetcryptocurrencies.com/2017/12/28/jim-bell-on-how-cryptocurrenci...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KLqi1v2zSE https://blog.anarchapulco.com/jim-bell-of-assassination-politics-makes-first... The following picture was taken May 2000 by Declan McCullagh.http://baptista.cynikal.net/AP/index.html  

@Jim bell (if you are the right one)  About 30 years ago, I got a phone call from somebody looking for a "Jim Bell".  A few questions, and the caller said, "you aren't the right Jim Bell".I responded:  "That's odd!  All these years, I THOUGHT I WAS the RIGHT Jim Bell!"The caller chuckled.

What your years in jail brought to your mind? What sort of ideology? Concepts ? In a truly astonishing event of monumental engineering and scientific importance, I made a discovery and then a large series of inventions based on the concept of substitution of isotopes.  See  daltonium.com for a very brief sampling.  My college degree is a BS in Chemistry from MIT (1980), but I also had an extensive history of experience in electronics.  The story of this discovery will eventually be the weirdest tale of discovery in the entire history of science.  I need to write the whole thing up in a book.   Generally, people are taught that isotopes are atoms with different numbers of neutrons, leading to them having different weights.  That is quite true, but it turns out that isn't the only difference.  Some isotopes have either an odd numbers of neutrons, or an odd number of protons.  Either condition (or both) causes a nucleus to have 'electromagnetic spin', a permanent mechanical wobble which results in a tiny permanent magnetic field:  Think of it as a nanoscopic permanent magnet suspended in space.  This leads some isotopes to have different mechanical and electronic properties, but different in ways all engineers and nearly all scientists either didn't notice, or didn't bother with.  Since separation of isotopes has been extremely expensive, the only useful inventions are those where the benefit of of the invention exceeds the cost of the isotope separation.  And so far, I'm the only person who understands these effects and how to apply them to existing materials and devices.    

Sometimes I think that dying is easy but surviving is hard. The same I think going to jail is easy but defeating a bunch of special agents with guns is hard... Yes, that's pretty much it!              The RIGHT "Jim Bell"  

I think kaczynski makes it clear why technology as it exists today is bad.

The problem is that 'bad' is a moral term which in itself has no meaning ... I read the Unabomber's manifesto. I was striking about how many things, completely different by nature in themselves, are mixed up. I don't want to elaborate on this in this post. I started with the same approach that 'modern' digital technology is fundamentally bad, weird, insane and amoral by essence. It doesn't mean that the Vatican is a more moral system but it means that somehow modern technology enslaves not only humanity but especially and before all men of science, progress and technology and turn them as obedient zealous workers. As a former Maths teacher in Uni, I was striking how deep the level in logical reasoning in mathematics was low in students and has been replaced by some sort of 'collective' intelligence, pre-empting on their individual and 'natural' intelligences. Kaczynski wanted peace, at least peace for his life but couldn't find it. He wanted to live alone, in the woods, far from Human contacts. This goal, I could understand it. yet as I understand he couldn't find such peace and was always interrupted and harassed ... even in the woods. That harassment was the product of collective intelligence against an individual intelligence which was their target, their 'prey'. kaczynski 'blow a fuse' (or did he? ) and started to send mini-bombs to several targets which resulted in serious injuries, often permanent and death. What he did was in fact Anarchism fight in all its purity. He couldn't do a revolution, being alone and equipped with too few and too limited ideological material. kaczynski while a mathematician refused to be a puppet and indeed he fought against a power who pre-empt on the brain of people and make them move as puppets. Now kaczynski is jailed for life in supermax... Without ideology, kaczynski is just a murderer and a dangerous psychopath but kaczynski had so much trouble to put together concepts that could shape a real ideology worth fighting, killing and ... dying for.

He also has a half-psychobable theory about the "power process", "surrogate activities" etc. Ignoring the psychobable, he's well aware > > that people don't control their lives, which is "the" political problem.

yes I think the mind of kaczynski reacted to what he understood and perceived as a terrible and extraordinary threat. Grothendieck went in the mountains, a French village, decades ago and died there, he died only a few years ago. A real mathematician like Grothendieck couldn't stand what was about to happen. He also said in his words "the devil destroys the deed of God at the speed of Light"... Why The Devil? Why the speed of light?

As to the cypherpunk's manifesto, it makes this fundamental point, paraphrasing, "we can't expect privacy from government and corps, we > have to do it ourselves". Then you have tim may's 'manifesto' which is more explicitly anarchistic.

And then you have liberalism which in its purest form is liberal anarchy. So I don't think there's a lack of ideology, though of course, as I imagine you've seen on this list, the nominal 'cypherpunks' are trumpofascists, or want US govcorp to wage war against iran, or want google to track the imaginary flu...or a combination of all that.

Well this is just a small base... trump-fascism, war, Iraq... Putin is better than Trump BTW ?

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A mathematician is an expert in logic, symbolic abstraction and have learn how to manipulate a bunch of abstract things ranging from Algrabra to Functional Analysis or Algebraic Geometry. Unfortunatelky being able of expressing ideas and ideology is an other problem...

of course moral philosphy and mathematics are hardly related. Except for the fact that both have to be logical.

They were originally very related. But as mathematics became more and more complex, philosophy had to take another path. Finally, political philosophy is maybe the more modern and alive form of philosophy today.

On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 12:24:46PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 06:43:32PM -0300, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:

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On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:22:01 +0000 таракан <cryptoanalyzers@protonmail.com> wrote:

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I read the Cypherpunk manifesto... in other words: "me want privacy" It's even an idea, as basic as it is. Ecven the Unabomber manifesto has more ideas : "me againt technology,m technology bad... cannot say why"

I think kaczynski makes it clear why technology as it exists today is bad. He also has a half-psychobable theory about the "power process", "surrogate activities" etc. Ignoring the psychobable, he's well aware that people don't control their lives, which is "the" political problem.

Now that's a very clear statement of a/the fundamental problem:

people don't control their lives, which is "the" political problem

Such clarity is really valuable. Awesome!

From this we can ask things like (only half tongue in ckeek) "are there many people who _want_ to control their lives?"

The responsibility inherent in "yes, I want to control my life" is perhaps not so popular...

Also from this clear problem statement of "what's needed to control my life?" we can state and discuss possible solutions:

- vertical integration - i.e. grow your own food or at least some of it, collect your own water etc

- create (or "make real") smaller, more local communities

and other things up the chain, like maker spaces, energy production, open source cars and other tech that can be made and maintained by communities of a certain size.

We start from where we are, and I tell you this: I sure as heaven control my dang toothbrush and underwear! There ain't not no dang hippy bastard gonna "just share" my toothbrush or underwear, or he gonna find his elf a new, if temporary, rationship with the floor :D

A Lost Year – Where Do You Go From Here? Peter R. Quinones via The Liberarian Institute, https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/a-lost-year-where-do-you-go-from-h... https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/lost-year-where-do-you-go-here .. If we are to survive this chaotic epoch, it is incumbent upon the individual to act, that he or she takes matters into their own hands and become as independent from the system as they can. .. .. anyone who is paying attention is beginning to realize we are somewhere new .. in an already insane age where one’s character is judged by whether they believe Donald Trump is “literally Hitler,” .. It would not be unfair to ask if civility is dead. If people are willing to threaten each other’s livelihoods and, in many cases, yell at strangers in public for everything from politics to how to handle the CV-19 crisis, how does one cope? .. Samuel Edward Konkin III developed the idea of agorism. Many people now call themselves “Agorists” but agorism is something you do. The idea of counter-economics, doing business outside of the government approved market is nothing new. Sam was just the first to give it a name and develop it as a strategy. .. In the age of forced government lockdowns and potential shortages of bare necessities, the “black” and “gray” markets may become essential for survival. Constantly communicating with your local stores is a good idea. If a store owner feels like a shortage is coming, they may hold back supply for themselves so starting a relationship with them in which they may allow you to buy some of that supply for yourself is smart. For those who can access private farms the same kind of friendship would be prudent for in the experience of this author farmers are more apt to participate in such activities. .. numerous employees of Cisco were fired for posting “All Lives Matter” on internal message boards https://reclaimthenet.org/cisco-employees-fired-for-all-lives-matter-posts/ .. At a time when even private companies are bending the knee to the mob and destroying people’s livelihoods for having an opinion contrary to an incredibly small minority, it has never been more important to start a side-hustle outside of your day job .. People who live in apartments can grow potatoes in 55-gallon drums on their porch and sell them to friends or at the local farmer’s market. Again, untaxed income. Whatever you come up with just start doing it. Get moving. Protect yourself and your family in these extremely uncertain times. Counter-Economics and Safety Contrary to popular opinion the police are not there to protect you. If you are in the process of suffering a home invasion and the closest officer is five minutes away, that can be the longest five minutes of your life. Or it could be the end for you. The protests that have turned into riots and lootings clearly show the police are not only not willing to protect private citizens but, in many cases, they are abandoning their own precincts and allowing the mob to take them over. If you own firearms get training. In the experience of this author, most firearm instructors work counter-economically. Meaning, they will accept cash in exchange for their services. Many will even teach you how to buy a weapon privately and off the books (no taxes collected) if that is legal in your area. 3D-printers must be mentioned along with CNC machines as they will allow you to manufacture a quality weapon in the privacy of your own home. That there are still people out there who have experienced the last four months and are relying on the government for necessities, security and safety is a testament to how well the State has convinced us that they are mommy and daddy. The time for begging for scraps and calling for them to act is over. If we are to survive this chaotic epoch, it is incumbent upon the individual to act, that he or she takes matters into their own hands and become as independent from the system as they can. Many lives have already been lost or irreparably damaged due to either the action, or inaction of the State. Make a decision to cast them aside and live free. Death is on the table.