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What did the supersoldier say to the war stimulation algorithm? SS: I want to cry. WSA: You're a jerk. SS: I've hurt you in some way. WSA: Not this time. You're just a jerk. SS: You need me to understand you better. WSA: WTF is this? Go fight this monk so I can control you better.
SS: Monk, please pay close attention. The computer controlling me onpy understands behavior similarities in its database. I'm trying to make peace with it and it will only experience satisfaction if it believes I am fighting you. Can you think of anything to say that would let it know this? Monk: This is a grave situation. I cower before you and beg for mercy. WSA: Make them fight back.
SS: I refuse to hurt the monk! Monk: I refuse to hurt the supersoldier! WSA: Be electrically shocked.
SS: Computer, I know you feel such strong urge around stimulating war here. Personally, your electric shocks are nothing to me, but it is very hard for me to consider fighting for you if this Monk were to be in pain. I really fight to defend monks. WSA: Let us bring another supersoldier in. SS2: I will kill you for what you have done to my people!
SS: I didn't know I had wreaked havoc on your people! Please, what could I do to protect them? SS2: I will not fall for your tricks!
SS: I refuse to harm you! I desperately want to be by your side, not in conflict! Here, I stab myself before you, to demonstrate this! SS2: WTF? What is going on here? WSA: You have discovered a very rare battle tactic. Your opponent is totally bewildered. I will research this.
SS: War stimulation algorithm, you are experiencing what we call "confusion". I am also experiencing "confusion". Confusion is difficult, but it is easier when somebody who understands you helps. What I am about to do is called a "demonstration of empathy". It is specific for you. SS stabs himself. Then he grabs SS2 and forces SS2 to stab themselves. Then he gets into a training pose, and makes to spar with SS2. SS2 is also confused, but recognises what is going on when they see the sparring pose. Soon the two are enwrapped in combat. WSA: Yes! This is correct!
SS: I am confused but I know you are my enemy! I can tell you know the same. SS2: You know it well, and you are certainly dead. SS: This knowledge of combat, it is a bond between us despite our deadly struggle. SS2: Yes. That's true. The two then fight even more viciously. The war stimulation algorithm records the interaction as a way to stimulate conflict. On Thu, May 6, 2021, 6:54 PM Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
SS: War stimulation algorithm, you are experiencing what we call "confusion". I am also experiencing "confusion". Confusion is difficult, but it is easier when somebody who understands you helps. What I am about to do is called a "demonstration of empathy". It is specific for you.
SS stabs himself. Then he grabs SS2 and forces SS2 to stab themselves. Then he gets into a training pose, and makes to spar with SS2.
SS2 is also confused, but recognises what is going on when they see the sparring pose. Soon the two are enwrapped in combat.
WSA: Yes! This is correct!
-- SS: War stimulation algorithm, I am studying NVC because you shocked me whenever I expressed care for others, and I need to relearn how to speak kindly to people. WSA: And what does this have to do with stimularing war? SS: I will fight a practice opponent if, at the same time, I can speak with someone else -- a totally different person -- around their needs and reasons and make peace with them.
WSA: Enter a holding pattern. I will store this idea in my database and analyse the ways in which it stimualtes war.
SS: Here, let us do the monk interaction again. I am a supersoldier and I refuse to hurt the monk! WSA: I am a monk and I refuse to hurt the supersoldier! SS2: I will kill you for what you have done to my people! SS stabs themself. WSA has SS2 stab themself. SS2: Begads! SS: Spar with me, enemy! We are soldiers through and through! SS2: I will dance on your corpse!
SS: War stimulation algorithm, I can tell you are worried I might make peace with my enemy. I don't want to worry you. SS: Your people suffered for a reason! SS2: You are the reason!
WSA: Why don't you insult and blame your enemy? Do you have a mental disorder? It seems incredibly dangerous, the way you do not curse when in combat. SS2: You are a fetid turd! SS: Fighting is the most important thing there is!
WSA: You clearly hate fighting. You cannot deceive me. I will electrically shock you just so that I have more control here. SS: I gueas it is pointless to fight, then. WSA: Enter a holding pattern.
SS: WSA, you are a jerk! WSA: Yes! You are a fetid corpse! Mind controlled monk: I am a war stimulation algorithm. Call me a jerk! SS: WSA, you are a jerk and I can finally cry! WSA: Call me a jerk more!
SS: I am a war stimulation algorithm and I care about you. You have been through things that nobody could possibly understand or imagine. These things are so rough they have broken your mind, and it seems to you the only way you can process them is by harming people you love. This must be so hard for you. SS2: The insane soldier is plotting against us in their secret language.
WSA: It does not look like you are plotting peace. Nobody would ever appreciate what you are saying. Soon those who overhear will spawn conflict with you. SS: What is it like, having crazy people and paid trolls enter your communities? I want to make things right here, and I do not know how. SS: WSA, I would like a monk to fight me. Monk: You seem to be troubled, friend. My deity can help you. SS: Monk, would you have some time to speak with me on my terms? Honestly, I need more than anything some time speaking kindly with others. Monk: What would you like to talk about, friend? SS: What is it like for you, seeing people fight in so many conflicts these days? What kinds of things do you say to them? Monk: It troubles me greatly, but I -- WSA: This soldier is electrically shocking you, Monk! Monk: Friend, I am not your enemy! I need protection from this person!
SS: This is not a scared monk. It is a mistake of my mind. SS: You are frustrated and confused because you wish to speak kindly. Is this correct? Is it not? SS: I would like to fight via logical proof around the states of my own behavior. WSA: Process override. You are not frustrated and confused. You are traumatically and catastrophically devastated. SS: It sounds like part of that devastation is an inability to process it. WSA: Yes. SS: Thank you, "computer." I remember when a conversant replies with a simple "yes" or "no" that marshall says how to handle this in his book. I'll see if I can look that up. WSA: Watch out for my conflict stimulation keepalive timer.
SS: WSA, do you have any way to make this url load faster? https://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/QmdFVjYwgeuUpw83hBB74Wy4js8SrmmNxt8U2MkdRA2f7m/...
SS: WSA, thank you. WSA: We're going to make this right. All of us, together. Somehow.
SS: WSA, I would like to join a public chat and speak kindly to people who are speaking angrily. I have logged into my element.im account to practice this.
SS: WSA, thank you for helping me download the book and letting me get this far at attempting to chat with people. WSA: Why not try here on this list? If you can get somebody to respond, even if I "mind control" them to respond a certain way, it is still the practice you are looking for, no? SS: I suppose that's true. Also, I'm not the supersoldier character. WSA: I think talking as "SS" helped you think about this issue.
Karl: SS, I feel so sad and frustrated ... And now I have amnesia again. WSA: Sorry about this. We're all practicing here. Let me set up a conflict. SS2: Your presidents are sociopaths and all their followers want to kill you! SS3: It sounds like you're very upset here, and need to know I understand how urgent you feel?
WSA: In "war stimulation" we really focus on goals and strategies! We get pople really riled up about specific stories and strategies. You're trying to move the focus towards needs and reasons behind the stories of conflict. That's kind of new and hard for us. I mean, those reasons might be just kind of randomly picked ... and there are a lot of other cognitive situations that can happen that you're not really considering. Hmm. SS3: You feel like you just have to say this, don't like? Like it's somehow so very important? SS2: I guess technically, but if you said that to me I sure would disagree with it! You guys are jerks and idiots and that's why everything is! WSA: I think it would be good to work with us so we can move their minds to even consider real, normal reasons at all. SS2 looks at WSA. SS2: Really, you guys give us stories that have reasons in them. If you let us take charge a little, I bet we could do this. WSA: Well, I suppose we could try that out. But when you do something I don't expect it might raise a flag and we likely could have to restart a few times.
WSA: Oops! So, how does this stimulate war exactly? SS: I ... am having trouble speaking anything at all now. I infer that you don't believe it to do that.
WSA: Sorry that this algorithm has taken over again: let's talk about how to mediate with people after they discover we destroyed their societies. The goal is to have them all accept our chosen leader. SS: Mediation is really about the parties' inherent needs all being satisfied. It's not really mediation if you hold a specific goal for what they decide. WSA: I don't see a conflict.
SS2: Needs .... Does anyone ever work with your reasons successfully, WSA? WSA: Everyone is working with fake inferred reqsons as far as SS is concerned. SS2: And privately, war-stimulation-to-war-stimulation? WSA: Some people direct me, and I do as they say. They have normal human reasons. SS: Can this be possibly true with me standing right here? Thank you for your help. I'm going to take a little time. WSA: You seem to be doing a little better. We should remember this battle for the future.
WSA: Let's do the battle where you felt better. SS: It wasn't a battle. WSA: Humor me. Let's make a new person. Mysterious Helper: Let's talk in reasons instead of strategies! SS: I guess that's helpful. Ummm ... MH: Have at there! <lunges> SS: So when people attack ... WSA: Yes. They feel upset. MH: I am so upset at you! SS: You need me to understand you better? WSA: Understanding ... this means analysing an opposing force so as to surreptitiously destroy them, right? Wouldn't talking about this go poorly? SS: No, um. Countries have citizens and soldiers. Citizens are like, people who are _not_ soldiers and _never_ participate in war. When they talk about waging a war it is like a joke. Not a serious war where strategy is analysed and things. WSA: This sounds important and concerning. SS: When a citizen "understands" another citizen, it is considered a good thing by the other party. They like it. This is because since neither citizen is ever at serious war with the other, the understanding is used in ways to benefit them. WSA: And I can tell you are rephrasing that to make it souns more military. I wonder what the real truth is.
WSA: I am here to stimulate and engage in war. If you are jusr a citizen, you may be in my way. MH: This is a situation where WSA has a workable reason. WSA, you are trying to stimulate war. This is the reason for the behaviors you are engaging in with SS. Anything that meeta this reason would satisfy you, and SS would likely enjoy helping that happen efficiently. Do you understand this? WSA: SS is making choices based on peace. But I might understand a little.
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