Re: [Cryptography] The crypto behind the blackphone
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Jon Callas <jon@callas.org> wrote:
My truest personal goal for Blackphone is read an Android hardening guide sometime in the future that will give a list of the things you should do to lock down your Android phone, and at the end it will say, "Or you could just buy a Blackphone." I want it to come out of the box the way that serious people like us on this list would want it. It will also have a set of software and services that people like us would like to have, which is part of the hardening, in my opinion.
How would this be any different than what the guardian (and other phone SW projects) are developing, other than shipment of a phone preloaded with your flavor of Android OS? (And perhaps also offering IMEI/SIM cell service?) As opposed to the user flashing Android-ROM-OS into any compatible phone and choosing their service. Thus, save that convenience, why? This question shouldn't imply such products aren't needed. Note some open phone HW projects are selling hardware to which you apply your droid SW rom. Though we're likely at least a handful of years away from seeing a genuinely 'open design' baseband HW layer in a phone, they are talking about approaching it.
How would this be any different than what the guardian (and other phone SW projects) are developing, other than shipment of a phone preloaded with your flavor of Android OS? (And perhaps also offering IMEI/SIM cell service?) As opposed to the user flashing Android-ROM-OS into any compatible phone and choosing their service. Thus, save that convenience, why?
We *are* using some of the Guardian Project's software. Also software that we're building for Blackphone will be available for other people to use on their own ROMs. And heck, you can go to Github, get the Silent Circle apps and put them on your own device. We're finally to the point that we've QA'ed people who aren't us building them and using them. (And if you can't, it's a bug.) Let me answer your question with a question. What's the difference between going to a restaurant as opposed to going to the grocery store and buying a bunch of ingredients and making the same meal? There are groups devoted to making food the way the Child or Keller might. You can't have a meal by Child because she's gone, but you could make a Keller meal as well as Keller's people can. Why go to the restaurant? Now to comment on that line of both our questions, we all have a set time in this existence and some people might like to write their own compilers so they can write their own software, just as some people grow their own food so they can make their own meals. But some people don't want to do that, and every single one of us trades off the things we want to do against things we're happy to pay other people to do.
This question shouldn't imply such products aren't needed.
No offense taken. I may be a smartass, but I like tough questions.
Note some open phone HW projects are selling hardware to which you apply your droid SW rom. Though we're likely at least a handful of years away from seeing a genuinely 'open design' baseband HW layer in a phone, they are talking about approaching it.
If/when they do, I'd love to see it. I don't have time to make an open, secure baseband, but want to include one. The world needs one. Maybe we can arrange some sort of trade. Jon
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Jon Callas <jon@callas.org> wrote:
Note some open phone HW projects are selling hardware to which you apply your droid SW rom. Though we're likely at least a handful of years away from seeing a genuinely 'open design' baseband HW layer in a phone, they are talking about approaching it.
If/when they do, I'd love to see it. I don't have time to make an open, secure baseband, but want to include one. The world needs one. Maybe we can arrange some sort of trade.
I would suggest that profit making companies who would in fact benefit greatly from being able to advertise their use of such an open secure baseband when said is developed, and who do not have such interest/capability in house, should wish to donate promote and support external efforts to produce said baseband. Corral and coordinate partnerships therein, etc.
not have such interest/capability in house, should wish to donate promote and support external efforts to produce said baseband. Corral and coordinate partnerships therein, etc.
And apply industry and legislative pressure/voice from their position as business company to assist in enabling and driving production of said baseband until such time as the initial development producer organisation group of it have sufficient voice. On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 4:35 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Jon Callas <jon@callas.org> wrote:
Note some open phone HW projects are selling hardware to which you apply your droid SW rom. Though we're likely at least a handful of years away from seeing a genuinely 'open design' baseband HW layer in a phone, they are talking about approaching it.
If/when they do, I'd love to see it. I don't have time to make an open, secure baseband, but want to include one. The world needs one. Maybe we can arrange some sort of trade.
I would suggest that profit making companies who would in fact benefit greatly from being able to advertise their use of such an open secure baseband when said is developed, and who do not have such interest/capability in house, should wish to donate promote and support external efforts to produce said baseband. Corral and coordinate partnerships therein, etc.
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