Briar

rysiek

11 Apr 2015 11 Apr '15

6:05 p.m.

Hi all, anybody has any info on Briar? https://briarproject.org/ Just came across it. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147

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Yush Bhardwaj

11 Apr 11 Apr

7:31 p.m.

Text Secure is way better Its Features:-> Group chat support, share media and attachments Advanced end-to-end encryption protocol applied for every message Fast message delivery Check out its paper here https://eprint.iacr.org/2014/904.pdf *Yush Bhardwaj* On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 11:35 PM, rysiek wrote:

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Hi all,

anybody has any info on Briar? https://briarproject.org/

Just came across it.

-- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak

Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147

Shelley

9:51 p.m.

On April 11, 2015 1:18:35 PM Yush Bhardwaj wrote:

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Text Secure is way better *snip*

Quoting Cathal from a post earlier today:

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TextSecure no longer supports SMS and the data channel requires installing bundles from Google, an NSA asset. Use SMSSecure, an SMS-only fork of TextSecure, also on FDroid store now whereas TextSecure was pulled from FDroid by the devs to maintain their Google-only distribution system.<<

-S

Markus Ottela

12 Apr 12 Apr

1:11 p.m.

NSA gets massive amounts of text messages through it's Dishfire program. Users should not assume they're excluded just because the program had limited scope of 200,000,000 SMS per day -- four years ago. The content is unavailable in both data channels, yet you get better protection against metadata analysis by routing TextSecure traffic through Tor. On 12.04.2015 00:51, Shelley wrote:

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On April 11, 2015 1:18:35 PM Yush Bhardwaj wrote:

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Text Secure is way better *snip*

Quoting Cathal from a post earlier today:

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TextSecure no longer supports SMS and the data channel requires installing bundles from Google, an NSA asset. Use SMSSecure, an SMS-only fork of TextSecure, also on FDroid store now whereas TextSecure was pulled from FDroid by the devs to maintain their Google-only distribution system.<<

-S

Cathal (Phone)

1:36 p.m.

Acknowledged, yet TS as currently built requires NSA/Google binaries installed with root access and passes all data traffic through NSA/Google directly anyway. Even if one end uses Tor and we assume the binaries are totally beneficent, traffic analysis combined with social network data will rapidly determine who's who unless everyone's being so cautious they're likely to not carry a phone in any case. Given this, I'd choose the option that doesn't require NSA binaries on my device and potentially passes data through a "dumb pipe" outside NSA's jurisdiction and budget. It costs them a lot more to tap Irish SMS networks than to simply receive, through Google, your messages directly, so at least I'm costing them more. ;) On 12 April 2015 14:11:52 GMT+01:00, Markus Ottela wrote:

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NSA gets massive amounts of text messages through it's Dishfire program. Users should not assume they're excluded just because the program had limited scope of 200,000,000 SMS per day -- four years ago.

The content is unavailable in both data channels, yet you get better protection against metadata analysis by routing TextSecure traffic through Tor.

On 12.04.2015 00:51, Shelley wrote:

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On April 11, 2015 1:18:35 PM Yush Bhardwaj wrote:

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Text Secure is way better *snip*

Quoting Cathal from a post earlier today:

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TextSecure no longer supports SMS and the data channel requires installing bundles from Google, an NSA asset. Use SMSSecure, an SMS-only fork of TextSecure, also on FDroid store now whereas TextSecure was pulled from FDroid by the devs to maintain their Google-only distribution system.<<

-S

-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Y G

3:41 p.m.

On 04/11/2015 05:51 PM, Shelley wrote:

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On April 11, 2015 1:18:35 PM Yush Bhardwaj wrote:

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Text Secure is way better *snip*

Quoting Cathal from a post earlier today:

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TextSecure no longer supports SMS and the data channel requires installing bundles from Google, an NSA asset. Use SMSSecure, an SMS-only fork of TextSecure, also on FDroid store now whereas TextSecure was pulled from FDroid by the devs to maintain their Google-only distribution system.<<

-S

Also, isn't Briar aiming for Mesh Networking? Which is a whole nother area than what TextSecure is aimed at.

Razer

3:08 p.m.

On 04/11/2015 11:05 AM, rysiek wrote:

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Hi all,

anybody has any info on Briar? https://briarproject.org/

Just came across it.

Made me look. Earlier, perhaps related, the admin @sourceforge http://sourceforge.net/u/akwizgran/profile/ had another project going with some activity http://sourceforge.net/p/adtn/mailman/adtn-devel/ Twenty five postings to that mail list. None on the Briar list yet. The email addresses of the people involved in the previous project are 'uncloaked'. Might want to contact some of them because that project and the current ideation seem related.

Meredith L. Patterson

4:05 p.m.

On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 08:08:53AM -0700, Razer wrote:

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Twenty five postings to that mail list. None on the Briar list yet.

Huh? http://sourceforge.net/p/briar/mailman/briar-devel/ has been active since 2011. The protocol is part of Michael Rogers' PhD thesis, which you can read at http://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/1322992/1/1322992.pdf. I'm not sure what happened to the spec docs that used to be on https://briarproject.org/; I'm not seeing them in https://code.briarproject.org/akwizgran/briar.git either. Cheers, --mlp

Razer

7:29 p.m.

On 04/12/2015 09:05 AM, Meredith L. Patterson wrote:

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On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 08:08:53AM -0700, Razer wrote:

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Twenty five postings to that mail list. None on the Briar list yet. Huh? http://sourceforge.net/p/briar/mailman/briar-devel/ has been active since 2011.

The protocol is part of Michael Rogers' PhD thesis, which you can read at http://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/1322992/1/1322992.pdf. I'm not sure what happened to the spec docs that used to be on https://briarproject.org/; I'm not seeing them in https://code.briarproject.org/akwizgran/briar.git either.

Cheers, --mlp

My bad... was looking @ -announce

Zenaan Harkness

9:05 p.m.

On 4/13/15, Meredith L. Patterson wrote:

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On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 08:08:53AM -0700, Razer wrote:

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Twenty five postings to that mail list. None on the Briar list yet.

Huh? http://sourceforge.net/p/briar/mailman/briar-devel/ has been active since 2011.

The protocol is part of Michael Rogers' PhD thesis, which you can read at http://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/1322992/1/1322992.pdf. I'm not sure what happened to the spec docs that used to be on https://briarproject.org/; I'm not seeing them in https://code.briarproject.org/akwizgran/briar.git either.

With a spec doc which is the primary/ foundation document for a project, I wonder why it's -not- the first thing checked into that project's (git) repo.

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