Freedom Phone - The First Phone Startup Bootstrapped by Crypto?
https://gizmodo.com/maga-branded-freedom-phone-is-a-black-box-that-should-b-...
While caution as to use case of any new product is prudent, and critique is helpful... without evidence of malaction, consider if it's right to universally bash new startups out of the market who may in fact be trying to do the right thing as best they can with what they have to work with, in the environment they have to do so, while noting that nothing is one size fits all. While the people and parent entities behind all these tech rags neg articles are unlikely to change, new articles by others might step back and consider the bigger picture that is and will develop with many products and decentralization coming to market in the near future. All startups are full of execution mistakes and colossal marketing fuckups. So what? No, the phone doesn't say "MAGA" anywhere on or in it since that probably requires licensing and limits its scope of applicability and market. So that was article FUD. Nor are there yet many real anti-censor, privacy, decentral video apps that can even run on phones yet. We're all still on first gen messaging and feeble coin tech. It takes people assembling new products, beyond what the legacy central GigaCorps sell, to begin pushing that whole envelope in the marketplace. Whether or not someone likes the first gen, it's still progress. Unless analysts have discovered malaction, which so far none of the articles seem to have done, here is the real reason for all the neg hitpiece hater articles... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBuzp7peqd8 BigTechMediaLeftCensorGovCorp is Sweating Bullets over Freedom Phone The US Left, any State in general... does not want the people to have Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Press, Privacy, a non Censorship environment, Freedom of Currency, Anonymity, Self Determination, or any real Freedom in general... and most certainly does not want any major political party raising mass awareness of the issue and developing any of many potential solutions whether technical or political. Beyond the freedom and political scope, the stock price of Google Youtube, Facebook, Twitter and all BigCorp News Media entities will take a huge unrecoverable decline as decentralized protocols and freedom from censorship etc takes over. None of those legacies want any of that to happen, ever. Make no mistake, this phone is a "Very Big Deal", not for what its HW and SW currently or ever will or wont do (in fact most of its apps are neither decentral nor e2e crypto secure), but for what the existence of its ideas mean. They will probably sell a lot of them. So what? Are these articles offering any better phone than the legacies, trying anything at all... no, so shut up then. And they haven't even started accepting cryptocurrency for the phone sales yet. They will soon. Imagine them preloading millions of followers into Bitcoin_Cash-BCH + CashFusion, XMR, ZEC, DERO, ARRR, DEX apps, and some other privacy enabled censorship resistant cryptocurrencies of the future. They could. Lots of things could be moved forward with this phone, that's something to be open to, while continuing to widely review its progress. https://freedomphone.com/ https://twitter.com/erikfinman/status/1415328529034715141 Freedom Phone Intro Advert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPiET3mdnuI Freedom Phone Intro youtube copy https://rumble.com/vjwcg7-freedom-phone-promotes-free-speech-and-privacy-fir... https://redstate.com/slee/2021/07/14/bitcoin-millionaire-offers-a-new-smartp... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_EKRZIJmsw Finman w Pool on Freedom Phone, Algorithmic Psychosis Propaganda, AnCap, and more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQRMDDavYFQ Timcast #337 Censor Proof FreedomPhone w Finman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uH9BKT_NOY Anna Khait review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgVdIEzmjWg Candace Owens review "Nobody elected Mark or Jack to be the arbiters of truth in America..." Freedom Phone's Erik Finman was the "youngest bitcoin millionaire" kid... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4FNmp3mKp4 Bitcoin G's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g7uHRp4F1o at NWLA Liberty Symposium https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHHNF2zZVnA w Diva on the Block https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV3jb1w9His Bitcoin Debate w Zach Tanenbaum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c1DpBu8Iv0 w Scott Adams https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXJ2xiuNKrM on Unschooling https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbrett/2020/05/25/the-right-to-bear-crypto-... https://fee.org/articles/meet-the-teenage-dropout-who-became-a-bitcoin-milli... https://fee.org/articles/crypto-benefactors-of-liberty-are-rising-up/ https://coinbitsapp.com/ https://fee.org/events/nwla-21/ https://nwlibertyacademy.org/ Libertarian Voluntaryism crypto seeds are certainly growing in the subconscious minds of millions of hodlers out there. Many of them will move to consciously embracing and trying to act on and live toward that, to include creating products and services, aligned as best can be with it. People are starting to figure out they can live and do things without these legacy GovCorp intermediaries. The phone HW itself is said to be OEM so just like many others products it isn't anything that is unique to mission yet, just like the Escobar Foldable Phone was an OEM with unique marketing. OEM allows cheap, fast, customizable to market. Yes many things on the market are indeed scams trolling for victims, especially closed source wonderware products. See the recent LE perpetrated scam with the AN0M phone. Nothing new there. However Freedom Phone, Librem Phone, Pinephone, and other products do show that there are profitably addressible markets in creating preloaded customized software environments attuned to those markets. Same as all the Linux distros do. Secure / Privacy / Anti-Censorship is a huge untapped market and demand is high. Capture enough of it and soon you can print your own opensource ASICs in open and open audited Fabs. Further the leading edge of uncensorable P2P network applications are growing... messaging, video platforms, privacy enabled cryptocurrencies, etc. Unfortunately this phone doesn't yet seem to include many of them, perhaps in part because most decentralized apps require laptop / PC sized CPU / RAM / Storage / Network power. But also because that's not really a big part of its focus area yet. Perhaps when the alternative centralized apps it includes begin to have their own problems with censorship and takedowns, they will. It's also certainly not easy to decide to include any binary apps at all, hard to point users to sources if ease-of-use is your model, etc. Freedom Phone has lots of potential to go somewhere with its theme if they immediately roadmap and fix the issues being raised on social media about the phone, and reach out to continue growing an on-mission tech team to help build the customized OS and app environment, including putting it all up opensource on github, reproducible builds, etc. They have a lot of work to do to before some circles will begin to take them seriously. They could readily share development and co-fund with existing opensource phone OS dev teams. Some reviews say they're already using LineageOS, an alternative app store, etc. But for the moment they're being banned off the internet and payment providers, since that's what all these censor owned companies and services do... while they last. Is this phone a super duper "secure phone" yet... no. Is it something useful for a lot of people, something that is packaging and developing something new beyond what the legacy offers... yes. Is it part of the growing cluster of phones, phone OS, and phone apps that are pushing some envelopes relevant to the space... yes. Is this the product for you... only you can decide that. Perhaps if journos articles want to bash something, they should instead be bashing Apple iPhones and Google Pixel phones and Microsoft Windows, and all the censors. Thus helping open up the market for more startups to keep trying new things. More links... https://www.umidigi.com/page-umidigi_a9pro_overview.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001468394552.html https://www.xda-developers.com/freedom-phone-overpriced-smartphone/ https://twitter.com/MishaalRahman/status/1415779874426531848 https://www.xda-developers.com/lineageos-trust-centralized-interface-securit... https://gitlab.com/AuroraOSS/AuroraStore https://microg.org/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/the-maga-targeted-freedom-phone-has-...
Hi, On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 8:46 AM grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
https://gizmodo.com/maga-branded-freedom-phone-is-a-black-box-that-should-b-...
What do you think of this phone for maga? https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/ I have a band of conservative hackers who say with the Librem 5, they can track and take down the socialists almost singlehandedly. But they don't know the inner workings of the Freedom Phone yet; it means restarting their work.
What do you think of this phone for maga? https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
Tools are agnostic, thus it's out of context for people to give opinions as to whether or not they would work "for" political parties. Given the major political parties in power all over the world seek ever more power to rule over you, it would be stupid to give a tool only to them and not to the world's people. And GovMil contractors do that even more directly and culpably. FreedomPhone is selling the phone to whoever wants to buy one so the situation is different from those two. You could also make your own phone and restrict sales to non-GovCorp, or to just Libertarians, or to just your own favorite pet group, etc, or try to convince existing sellers to, but as with all tools and tech, that's hard to enforce and hard to enforce for very long. The problem is really what you're raising and teaching people to do with tools, not the tools themselves. Since you're still teaching them to fuck you and each other and everyone else over with them, it should be no surprise that you are indeed getting fucked. The analysis of all phones and computing is the same... First accept the fact that *none* of the HW is yet #OpenHW from #OpenFabs, thus the entire thing is totally untrustable from the start. Then you're left considering the usual... - Any usable HW [in]security modules - Baseband cell - WiFi, BT, NFC - Firmware, blobs, etc - OS kernel - SW applications Does Librem5, PinePhone, FreedomPhone, or whatever other "secure" sort of phone on the market meet your needs? Can you modify any existing phone to meet your needs? Else you need to go make a phone that does. Or accept the current state of affairs. Or stop using phones. There are some efforts to port stock BSD and Linux kernels to ARM64 phones, so there's that option instead of the Android or iOS or Windows etc stacks.
they can track
Unfortunately the billions of people carrying around SIM transponders in their pocket 24x365 haven't woke up to even the simplest of those problems yet. Try teaching them that, then how to fund and deploy comms infrastructures and tech that have anonymous private comms as their basis thus nullifying disintermediating and disinteresting such legacies of tracking.
How do we tell these freedom phone people to get on the libre bandwagon before they are all hacked by influence going through china?
On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 20:33:50 -0400 Karl Semich <0xloem@gmail.com> wrote:
How do we tell these freedom phone people to get on the libre bandwagon
why would they? they are trumpofascist clowns pushing more NSA malware.
before they are all hacked by influence going through china?
china, what?
On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 10:11 PM Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 20:33:50 -0400 Karl Semich <0xloem@gmail.com> wrote:
How do we tell these freedom phone people to get on the libre bandwagon
why would they? they are trumpofascist clowns pushing more NSA malware.
why would anyone do anything?
before they are all hacked by influence going through china?
china, what?
mistake, got on the blame-china bandwagon, sorry. china makes the hardware all the blobs run on, dunno how often the blobs themselves or the mutated blobs.
blame ... china makes the hardware all the blobs run on
You demanded to buy both closed hardware and blobs with your respective currencies, China and all other sellers simply provided supply into that demand. Free market. You've nothing to blame but your own demand. Better start changing your purchase orders.
On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 7:23 AM grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
blame ... china makes the hardware all the blobs run on
You demanded to buy both closed hardware and blobs with your respective currencies, China and all other sellers simply provided supply into that demand. Free market. You've nothing to blame but your own demand. Better start changing your purchase orders.
We change 'em. But the chinese make good tools for testing homemade chips.
On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 06:52:12 -0400 Karl Semich <0xloem@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 10:11 PM Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 20:33:50 -0400 Karl Semich <0xloem@gmail.com> wrote:
How do we tell these freedom phone people to get on the libre bandwagon
why would they? they are trumpofascist clowns pushing more NSA malware.
why would anyone do anything?
Different reasons. In this case trumpofascist clowns including 'grarpamp' are pushing a laughable scam.
before they are all hacked by influence going through china?
china, what?
mistake, got on the blame-china bandwagon, sorry.
go figure.
china makes the hardware all the blobs run on, dunno how often the blobs themselves or the mutated blobs.
according to the article the processor/soc comes from a taiwanese company. No doubt other parts may come from mainland china, etc. But that applies to virtually all fucktard phones. The pine64 phone uses a chinese processor as well.
On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 1:17 PM Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 06:52:12 -0400 Karl Semich <0xloem@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 10:11 PM Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 20:33:50 -0400 Karl Semich <0xloem@gmail.com> wrote:
How do we tell these freedom phone people to get on the libre bandwagon
why would they? they are trumpofascist clowns pushing more NSA malware.
why would anyone do anything?
Different reasons. In this case trumpofascist clowns including 'grarpamp' are pushing a laughable scam.
They'd make more money if they provided real privacy, so it's clearly more obvious flagging from team trump that they are not free to do anything helpful but can at least make the problems more obvious to everyone while they all get more rich.
before they are all hacked by influence going through china?
china, what?
mistake, got on the blame-china bandwagon, sorry.
go figure.
china makes the hardware all the blobs run on, dunno how often the blobs themselves or the mutated blobs.
according to the article the processor/soc comes from a taiwanese company. No doubt other parts may come from mainland china, etc. But that applies to virtually all fucktard phones. The pine64 phone uses a chinese processor as well.
On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 08:45:05 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
https://gizmodo.com/maga-branded-freedom-phone-is-a-black-box-that-should-b-...
While caution as to use case of any new product is prudent, and critique is helpful... without evidence of malaction, consider if it's right to universally bash new startups
OK, trumpofascsist turd-US govt agent is promoting that thing, that's probally all you need to know. Wait, I misread the link and I thought it was MEGA branded and assumed it had something to do with mega.co.nz, but no, that's literaly a trumpofascist phone. Infinitely self-parody reached. Well I guess it's nice that the white supremacist trash like 'grarpamp' will use a fully compliant NSA phone.
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