So, free speech is ok so long as it is only used to say yhe things you find acceptable? :D On 8 September 2016 04:09:38 GMT+01:00, Nadine Earnshaw wrote:

freedom of speech does not protect hate speechand that is what 18c which Bernard supports being removed. He is free to say "I wouldn't let a gay person teach my children and I am not afraid to say it," a Twitter post from Mr Gaynor read. but there is a line and that is what 18c is about. http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/rda1975202/s18c.html He is free to be a dick in private. Clearly with his being dismissed he has trouble with what private is.

 >>Bernard Gaynor is a controversial Australian with conservative pro-family views whom some would say is ultra-conservative, to which I would counter "that's just your post-modern moral relativism which dominates the current Western public and social dialogue".

So, notwithstanding anyone's particular views on any particular issue which Bernard Gaynor stands for and champions (at least one of which I strongly disagree with), his stand for freedom of speech is superb, courageous, persistent, and thyankfully a following has formed which donates to keep him and his family afloat in the face of the legal fees and the many personal sacrifices he has chosen to make, and some which he has and continues to suffer at the hands of his opponents, including the chief of the Australian Army who stepped down to an early retirement in "moral disgrace" and knowing that he would not survive his very political attack against Bernard Gaynor's personal stands as an Australian Army reserve man (he sacked Bernard amongst other things).

So plenty to debate, but the guts of this is free speech and the long standing statutory infractions against our right to freedom of speech, and in particular as we name it for necessary but quirky reasons in Australia for legal and constitutional purposes:

freedom to communicate on political and related matters

Good luck Bernard,

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Since I last wrote to you on 22 August, there has been plenty of action in the battle to speak the truth and speak it freely.

First of all, I must thank all those who donated to assist in this battle. I incurred over $23,000 in fees last month. There is simply no way that I could afford to wage this fight without your support. I am deeply grateful and humble for that assistance.

Secondly, the New South Wales Supreme Court of Appeal held a Directions Hearing on 31 August. The court room was packed and there was standing room only. I counted at least 18 barristers and solicitors there. The Commonwealth has intervened and so has the state of New South Wales. This matter is attracting high levels of attention, even if the media are not paying any interest (yet).

Importantly, the Court accepted an amendment to our summons that we obtain a:

Declaration that sections 49ZS and 49ZT of the Anti-Discrimination Act (NSW) 1977 are invalid in that they impair the Plaintiff's right to freedom of political communication or impair his freedom of religion under Constitution section 116.

I have been busy this week preparing submissions and other documentation to support our case. Obviously, I will not discuss our arguments in detail here and will respectfully leave them for the consideration of the New South Wales Supreme Court of Appeal.

The matter has been set down for hearing in November. Suffice to say that a victory against the Anti-Discrimination Act (NSW) 1977 will have very serious ramifications for all other anti-discrimination laws, including S18C of the Racial Discrimination Act (Cth) 1975. In other words, the outcome of this case may well destroy anti-free speech laws before the politicians in parliament ever get around to repealing them.

As such, when it comes to free speech, this battle is the number one game in town. And let's all hope that it is successful. Australians should not be forced to apologise for their conservative views on family and morality. I, for one, won't.

Thirdly, the New South Wales Civil and Administrative Tribunal held a Case Conference yesterday and decided to proceed with an additional 8 complaints against me from Garry Burns, even though these matters are before the New South Wales Supreme Court of Appeal and even though the Tribunal has already determined that there is no jurisdiction under New South Wales anti-discrimination law to lodged complaints against people in Queensland.

Don't ask me to explain the logic here. I can't. But the matter has been set for another Case Conference on 14 December 2016.

As far as I am concerned, the Tribunal and the Anti-Discrimination Board below it are acting far beyond their powers. However, I will deal with that issue after the main game, which is the action in the Court of Appeal.

I was very grateful for the support I received at a fundraising dinner held at the Coorparoo RSL on 27 August. Robyn Sully did a tremendous job organising it and nearly 100 people attended.

We are now in the early stages of planning to organise other such dinners across Australia. From the feedback received, attendees found it a very good way of understanding these matters and their importance. From my perspective, it was an extremely effective way of getting this particular story out and explaining to Australians how all of us are affected by totalitarian laws that seek to target conservative political beliefs.

If you are interested in attending the next dinner in Brisbane it will be held at the Coorparoo RSL on 29 October at 6pm.

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Sounds like Australia needs the equivalent of America's First Amendment guarantees of freedom of speech and press.But then again, that's the same problem Britain has:  They don't have a written Constitution.          Jim Bell From: Nadine Earnshaw To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 3:27 PM Subject: Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia - [personal@bernardgaynor.com.au: Update: battle for free speech]   No the issue is public vs private speech. There is also a difference between publicly stating an opinion and being abusive. this is what we are talking about legislatively RACIAL DISCRIMINATION ACT 1975 - SECT 18C Offensive behaviour because of race, colour or national or ethnic origin             (1)  It is unlawful for a person to do an act, otherwise than in private, if:                     (a)  the act is reasonably likely, in all the circumstances, to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person or a group of people; and                     (b)  the act is done because of the race, colour or national or ethnic origin of the other person or of some or all of the people in the group.Note:          Subsection (1) makes certain acts unlawful. Section 46P of the Australian Human Rights Commission Act 1986 allows people to make complaints to the Australian Human Rights Commission about unlawful acts. However, an unlawful act is not necessarily a criminal offence. Section 26 says that this Act does not make it an offence to do an act that is unlawful because of this Part, unless Part IV expressly says that the act is an offence.             (2)  For the purposes of subsection (1), an act is taken not to be done in private if it:                     (a)  causes words, sounds, images or writing to be communicated to the public; or                     (b)  is done in a public place; or                     (c)  is done in the sight or hearing of people who are in a public place.             (3)  In this section:"public place " includes any place to which the public have access as of right or by invitation, whether express or implied and whether or not a charge is made for admission to the place. ----- Original Message ----- From: "oshwm" To:"Nadine Earnshaw" , "CypherPunks" Cc: Sent:Thu, 08 Sep 2016 06:18:31 +0100 Subject:Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia - [personal@bernardgaynor.com.au: Update: battle for free speech] So, free speech is ok so long as it is only used to say yhe things you find acceptable? :D On 8 September 2016 04:09:38 GMT+01:00, Nadine Earnshaw wrote: freedom of speech does not protect hate speech and that is what 18c which Bernard supports being removed. He is free to say "I wouldn't let a gay person teach my children and I am not afraid to say it," a Twitter post from Mr Gaynor read. but there is a line and that is what 18c is about. http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/rda1975202/s18c.html He is free to be a dick in private. Clearly with his being dismissed he has trouble with what private is.  >>Bernard Gaynor is a controversial Australian with conservative pro-family views whom some would say is ultra-conservative, to which I would counter "that's just your post-modern moral relativism which dominates the current Western public and social dialogue". So, notwithstanding anyone's particular views on any particular issue which Bernard Gaynor stands for and champions (at least one of which I strongly disagree with), his stand for freedom of speech is superb, courageous, persistent, and thyankfully a following has formed which donates to keep him and his family afloat in the face of the legal fees and the many personal sacrifices he has chosen to make, and some which he has and continues to suffer at the hands of his opponents, including the chief of the Australian Army who stepped down to an early retirement in "moral disgrace" and knowing that he would not survive his very political attack against Bernard Gaynor's personal stands as an Australian Army reserve man (he sacked Bernard amongst other things). So plenty to debate, but the guts of this is free speech and the long standing statutory infractions against our right to freedom of speech, and in particular as we name it for necessary but quirky reasons in Australia for legal and constitutional purposes: freedom to communicate on political and related matters Good luck Bernard, ----- Forwarded message from Bernard Gaynor ----- Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 01:07:53 +0000 From: Bernard Gaynor To: Zenaan Harkiss Reply-To: Bernard Gaynor Subject: Update: battle for free speech View this email in your browser (http://us11.campaign-archive1.com/?u=2f7e1c8c95718aa1558f96210&id=7eba298bf2&e=761ea41511) http://bernardgaynor.us11.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2f7e1c8c95718aa1558f96210&id=2fa4ad34a5&e=761ea41511 Dear Zenaan, Contents * Free Speech Update (#legalupdate) * Fundraising Dinner (#qoty) * Please help - donate $1 per week today (#pleasehelp) Since I last wrote to you on 22 August, there has been plenty of action in the battle to speak the truth and speak it freely. First of all, I must thank all those who donated to assist in this battle. I incurred over $23,000 in fees last month. There is simply no way that I could afford to wage this fight without your support. I am deeply grateful and humble for that assistance. Secondly, the New South Wales Supreme Court of Appeal held a Directions Hearing on 31 August. The court room was packed and there was standing room only. I counted at least 18 barristers and solicitors there. The Commonwealth has intervened and so has the state of New South Wales. This matter is attracting high levels of attention, even if the media are not paying any interest (yet). Importantly, the Court accepted an amendment to our summons that we obtain a: Declaration that sections 49ZS and 49ZT of the Anti-Discrimination Act (NSW) 1977 are invalid in that they impair the Plaintiff's right to freedom of political communication or impair his freedom of religion under Constitution section 116. I have been busy this week preparing submissions and other documentation to support our case. Obviously, I will not discuss our arguments in detail here and will respectfully leave them for the consideration of the New South Wales Supreme Court of Appeal. The matter has been set down for hearing in November. Suffice to say that a victory against the Anti-Discrimination Act (NSW) 1977 will have very serious ramifications for all other anti-discrimination laws, including S18C of the Racial Discrimination Act (Cth) 1975. In other words, the outcome of this case may well destroy anti-free speech laws before the politicians in parliament ever get around to repealing them. As such, when it comes to free speech, this battle is the number one game in town. And let's all hope that it is successful. Australians should not be forced to apologise for their conservative views on family and morality. I, for one, won't. Thirdly, the New South Wales Civil and Administrative Tribunal held a Case Conference yesterday and decided to proceed with an additional 8 complaints against me from Garry Burns, even though these matters are before the New South Wales Supreme Court of Appeal and even though the Tribunal has already determined that there is no jurisdiction under New South Wales anti-discrimination law to lodged complaints against people in Queensland. Don't ask me to explain the logic here. I can't. But the matter has been set for another Case Conference on 14 December 2016. As far as I am concerned, the Tribunal and the Anti-Discrimination Board below it are acting far beyond their powers. However, I will deal with that issue after the main game, which is the action in the Court of Appeal. I was very grateful for the support I received at a fundraising dinner held at the Coorparoo RSL on 27 August. Robyn Sully did a tremendous job organising it and nearly 100 people attended. We are now in the early stages of planning to organise other such dinners across Australia. From the feedback received, attendees found it a very good way of understanding these matters and their importance. particular story out and explaining to Australians how all of us are affected by totalitarian laws that seek to target conservative political beliefs. If you are interested in attending the next dinner in Brisbane it will be held at the Coorparoo RSL on 29 October at 6pm. Please email Robyn at robynsully@hotmail.com (mailto:robynsully@hotmail.com?subject=Fundraising%20Dinner) to book and for further details. Thank you once again to all who have assisted financially, especially over the past month. We are slowly getting through all the thank you emails and I would like to thank the volunteers who have been able to provide support in this task. 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A written bill of rights.

lets talk about juan how he protect his bill of rights in DC USA against terrist by trollin ops on here

"... But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain — that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist. " Spooner - 1867

http://jim.com/treason.htm

see here goes juan anolysing his own US Citizen Constitution and raging on troll destroy destroy smash no offer anything but smash smash juan computer for 100 euro

 Zenaan it was difficult to read your reply. Not sure if I get your point. We have a high court that determines where the slippery slope is and seriously why should anyone be too worried that since 1975 we need to take out the ability to stop hate speech in our courts? Basically the proof is in the pudding as it were. Australia is not America, we don't feel the need to enshrine and wine about our rights.  We prefer to stop people from behaving as dicks. Australia is not perfect and in some very obvious ways our social policies are behindbut we are a country that is fine with robust debate and aren't easily fooled into believing that hate speech needs to be protected. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zenaan Harkness" To: Cc: Sent:Fri, 9 Sep 2016 09:17:56 +1000 Subject:Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia - [personal@bernardgaynor.com.au: Update: battle for free speech]

but there is a line and that is what 18c is about.

  No the issue is public vs private speech. There is also a difference between publicly stating an opinion and being abusive. this is what we are talking about legislatively

RACIAL DISCRIMINATION ACT 1975 - SECT 18C

OFFENSIVE BEHAVIOUR BECAUSE OF RACE, COLOUR OR NATIONAL OR ETHNIC ORIGIN

             (1)  It is unlawful for a person [1] to do an act, otherwise than in private, if:

                     (a)  the act is reasonably likely, in all the circumstances, to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person [2] or a group of people; and

                     (b)  the act is done because of the race, colour or national or ethnic origin of the other person [3] or of some or all of the people in the group.

Note:          Subsection (1) makes certain acts unlawful. Section 46P of the _Australian Human Rights Commission Act 1986 _allows people to make complaints to the Australian Human Rights Commission about unlawful acts. However, an unlawful act is not necessarily a criminal offence. Section 26 says that this Act does not make it an offence to do an act that is unlawful because of

Please, to make your post of the extract of 18c relevant, explain if you are able why and how it is not a slippery slope (even assuming any or all aspects of that act are justifiable). And first, go check out, carefully, the definition of "slippery slope" - Wikipedia is a reasonable first stop on some things like that. Next, in your response re the slippery slope, try if you can to actually consider the viewpoint of those who hold that there might be real problems with 18c which must be handled, and to give acknowledgement to that position, so that your assessment can be seen as nuanced, rather than a black and white dichotomy. Nadine there are plenty folks much smarter than I who might contribute to such a conversation, but most of us have had a gutful of "he's a dick, and you're all idiots for not seeing it" superficiality. Finally, an actual example of a public statement by Bernard Gaynor, which you say ought be held by the courts as illegal, and for the specific reasons you name and can identify. Feel free to use the quote you've already posted, but you might find it hard to ultimately defend that as "unlawful" speech, either way let's see if you have a nuanced argument. Sincerely, Zenaan On Fri, Sep 09, 2016 at 06:27:03AM +0800, Nadine Earnshaw wrote: this

Part, unless Part IV expressly says that the act is an offence.

             (2)  For the purposes of subsection (1), an act is taken not to be done in private if it:

                     (a)  causes words, sounds, images or writing to be communicated to the public; or

                     (b)  is done in a public place; or

                     (c)  is done in the sight or hearing of people who are in a public place.

             (3)  In this section:

_"PUBLIC PLACE " _includes any place to which the public have access as of right or by invitation, whether express or implied and whether or not a charge is made for admission to the place.

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So, free speech is ok so long as it is only used to say yhe things you find acceptable? :D

On 8 September 2016 04:09:38 GMT+01:00, Nadine Earnshaw wrote: freedom of speech does not protect hate speechand that is what 18c which Bernard supports being removed. He is free to say "I wouldn't let a gay person teach my children and I am not afraid to say it," a Twitter post from Mr Gaynor read. but there is a line and that is what 18c is about.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/rda1975202/s18c.html

He is free to be a dick in private. Clearly with his being dismissed he has trouble with what private is.

  the bottom line is that assholes cant hide behind their vile and call it free speech and find protection im fine with finger pointing at the asshat and calling them out on being what they are i also believe in gun control and legal abortion.  encypt your conversations and be a dick in private with other dicksthis i think you have the right to.importantly that you have right to privacy. the right to be free, to talk openly in private without being monitored by others. this is what I think freedom of speech is. ----- Original Message ----- From: "oshwm" To:"Nadine Earnshaw" , Cc: Sent:Fri, 09 Sep 2016 06:49:29 +0100 Subject:Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia - [personal@bernardgaynor.com.au: Update: battle for free speech] Truly private speech comes with a freespeech guarantee so thats not an issue. Public speech is where the attacks on freespeech occur. The fact is, you either have freespeech or you dont, there is no halfway - that is called 'controlled speech'. The people who are too sensitive to handle freespeech should stop pretending they advocate it and accept that they are advocating controlled or limited speech. On 8 September 2016 23:27:03 GMT+01:00, Nadine Earnshaw wrote:   No the issue is public vs private speech. There is also a difference between publicly stating an opinion and being abusive. this is what we are talking about legislatively RACIAL DISCRIMINATION ACT 1975 - SECT 18C OFFENSIVE BEHAVIOUR BECAUSE OF RACE, COLOUR OR NATIONAL OR ETHNIC ORIGIN              (1)  It is unlawful for a person [1] to do an act, otherwise than in private, if:                      (a)  the act is reasonably likely, i n all the circumstances, to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person [2] or a group of people; and                      (b)  the act is done because of the race, colour or national or ethnic origin of the other person [3] or of some or all of the people in the group. Note:          Subsection (1) makes certain acts unlawful Section 46P of the _Australian Human Rights Commission Act 1986 _allows people to make complaints to the Australian Human Rights Commission about unlawful acts. However, an unlawful act is not necessarily a criminal offence. Section 26 says that this Act does not make it an offenc e to do an act that is unlawful because of this Part, unless Part IV expressly says that the act is an offence              (2)  For the purposes of subsection (1), an act is taken not to be done in private if it:                      (a)  causes words, sounds, images or writing to be communicated to the public; or                      (b)  is done in a public place; or                      (c)  is done in the sight or hearing of people who are in a public place.              (3)  In this section: p> _"PUBLIC PLACE " _includes any place to which the public have access as of right or by invitation, whether express or implied and whether or not a charge is made for admission to the place. ----- Original Message ----- From: "oshwm" To:"Nadine Earnshaw" , "CypherPunks" Cc: Sent:Thu, 08 Sep 2016 06:18:31 +0100 Subject:Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia - [personal@bernardgaynor.com.au: Update: battle for free speech] So, free speech is ok so long as it is only used t o say yhe things you find acceptable? :D On 8 September 2016 04:09:38 GMT+01:00, Nadine Earnshaw wrote: freedom of speech does not protect hate speechand that is what 18c which Bernard supports being removed. He is free to say "I wouldn't let a gay person teach my children and I am not afraid to say it," a Twitter post from Mr Gaynor read. but there is a line and that is what 18c is about. http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/rda1975202/s18c.html He is free to be a dick in private. Clearly with his being dismissed he has trouble with what private is.  >>Bernard Gaynor is a controversial Australian with conservative pro-family views whom some would say is ultra-conservative, to which I would counter "that's just your post-modern moral relativism which dominates the current Western public and social dialogue". So, notwithstanding anyone's particular views on any particular issue which Bernard Gaynor stands for and champions (at least one of which I strongly disagree with), his stand for freedom of speech is superb, courageous, persistent, and thyankfully a following has formed which donates to keep him and his family afloat in the face of the legal fees and the many personal sacrifices he has chosen to make, and some which he has and continues to suffer at the hands of his opponents, including the chief of the Australian Army who stepped down to an early retirement in "moral disgrace" and knowing that he would not survive his very political attack against Bernard Gaynor's personal stands as an Australian Army reserve man (he sacked Bernard amongst other things). 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I, for one, won't Thirdly, the New South Wales Civil and Administrative Tribunal held a Case Conference yesterday and decided to proceed with an additional 8 complaints against me from Garry Burns, even though these matters are before the New South Wales Supreme Court of Appeal and even though the Tribunal has already determined that there is no jurisdiction under New South Wales anti-discrimination law to lodged complaints against people in Queensland. Don't ask me to explain the logic here. I can't. But the matter has been set for another Case Conference on 14 December 2016. As far as I am concerned, the Tribunal and the Anti-Discrimination Board below it are acting far beyond their powers. However, I will deal with that issue after the main game, which is the action in the Court of Appeal. I was very grateful for the support I received at a fundraising dinner held at the Coorparoo RSL on 27 August. Robyn Sully did a tremendous job organising it and nearly 100 people attended. 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On 09/11/2016 11:15 PM, oshwm wrote:

The bottom line is that you DO NOT believe in freespeech but are trying to convince yourself and others that you do.

People like you who try to pass off controlled or restricted speech as free speech are trying to redefine the term because you are too afraid to accept the fact that you want to restrict others rights to suit your own purposes.

True free speech demands that you allow horrible small minded idiots the right to say vile things in public so that all unpopular but valid opinions can be debated and society can grow.

Tht seems pretty obvious to me :)

On 12 September 2016 01:13:57 GMT+01:00, Nadine Earnshaw wrote:

...

the bottom line is that assholes cant hide behind their vile and call it free speech and find protection im fine with finger pointing at the asshat and calling them out on being what they are i also believe in gun control and legal abortion. encypt your conversations and be a dick in private with other dicksthis i think you have the right to.importantly that you have right to privacy. the right to be free, to talk openly in private without being monitored by others. this is what I think freedom of speech is.

----- Original Message ----- From: "oshwm" To:"Nadine Earnshaw" , Cc: Sent:Fri, 09 Sep 2016 06:49:29 +0100 Subject:Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia - [personal@bernardgaynor.com.au: Update: battle for free speech]

Truly private speech comes with a freespeech guarantee so thats not an issue.

Public speech is where the attacks on freespeech occur.

The fact is, you either have freespeech or you dont, there is no halfway - that is called 'controlled speech'.

The people who are too sensitive to handle freespeech should stop pretending they advocate it and accept that they are advocating controlled or limited speech.

On 8 September 2016 23:27:03 GMT+01:00, Nadine Earnshaw wrote: No the issue is public vs private speech. There is also a difference between publicly stating an opinion and being abusive. this is what we are talking about legislatively

RACIAL DISCRIMINATION ACT 1975 - SECT 18C

OFFENSIVE BEHAVIOUR BECAUSE OF RACE, COLOUR OR NATIONAL OR ETHNIC ORIGIN

(1) It is unlawful for a person [1] to do an act, otherwise than in private, if:

(a) the act is reasonably likely, i n all the circumstances, to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person [2] or a group of people; and

(b) the act is done because of the race, colour or national or ethnic origin of the other person [3] or of some or all of the people in the group.

Note: Subsection (1) makes certain acts unlawful Section 46P of the _Australian Human Rights Commission Act 1986 _allows people to make complaints to the Australian Human Rights Commission about unlawful acts. However, an unlawful act is not necessarily a criminal offence. Section 26 says that this Act does not make it an offenc e to do an act that is unlawful because of this Part, unless Part IV expressly says that the act is an offence

(2) For the purposes of subsection (1), an act is taken not to be done in private if it:

(a) causes words, sounds, images or writing to be communicated to the public; or

(b) is done in a public place; or

(c) is done in the sight or hearing of people who are in a public place.

(3) In this section: p>

_"PUBLIC PLACE " _includes any place to which the public have access as of right or by invitation, whether express or implied and whether or not a charge is made for admission to the place.

----- Original Message ----- From: "oshwm" To:"Nadine Earnshaw" , "CypherPunks" Cc: Sent:Thu, 08 Sep 2016 06:18:31 +0100 Subject:Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia - [personal@bernardgaynor.com.au: Update: battle for free speech]

So, free speech is ok so long as it is only used t o say yhe things you find acceptable? :D

On 8 September 2016 04:09:38 GMT+01:00, Nadine Earnshaw wrote: freedom of speech does not protect hate speechand that is what 18c which Bernard supports being removed. He is free to say "I wouldn't let a gay person teach my children and I am not afraid to say it," a Twitter post from Mr Gaynor read. but there is a line and that is what 18c is about. http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/rda1975202/s18c.html He is free to be a dick in private. Clearly with his being dismissed he has trouble with what private is.

...

...

Bernard Gaynor is a controversial Australian with conservative pro-family views whom some would say is ultra-conservative, to which I would counter "that's just your post-modern moral relativism which dominates the current Western public and social dialogue".

So, notwithstanding anyone's particular views on any particular issue which Bernard Gaynor stands for and champions (at least one of which I strongly disagree with), his stand for freedom of speech is superb, courageous, persistent, and thyankfully a following has formed which donates to keep him and his family afloat in the face of the legal fees and the many personal sacrifices he has chosen to make, and some which he has and continues to suffer at the hands of his opponents, including the chief of the Australian Army who stepped down to an early retirement in "moral disgrace" and knowing that he would not survive his very political attack against Bernard Gaynor's personal stands as an Australian Army reserve man (he sacked Bernard amongst other things).

So plenty to debate, but the guts of this is free speech and the long standing statutory infractions against our right to freedom of speech, and in particular as we name it for necessary but quirky reasons in Australia for legal and constitutional purposes:

freedom to communicate on political and related matters

Good luck Bernard,

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Since I last wrote to you on 22 August, there has been plenty of action in the battle to speak the truth and speak it freely.

First of all, I must thank all those who donated to assist in this battle. I incurred over $23,000 in fees last month. There is simply no way that I could afford to wage this fight without your support. I am deeply grateful and humble for that assistance.

Secondly, the New South Wales Supreme Court of Appeal held a Directions Hearing on 31 August. The court room was packed and there was standing room only. I counted at least 18 barristers and solicitors there. The Commonwealth has intervened and so has the state of New South Wales. This matter is attracting high levels of attention, even if the media are not paying any interest (yet).

Importantly, the Court accepted an amendment to our summons that we obtain a:

Declaration that sections 49ZS and 49ZT of the Anti-Discrimination Act (NSW) 1977 are invalid in that they impair the Plaintiff's right to freedom of political communication or impair his freedom of religion under Constitution section 116.

I have been busy this week preparing submissions and other documentation to support our case. Obviously, I will not discuss our arguments in detail here and will respectfully leave them for the consideration of the New South Wales Supreme Court of Appeal.

The matter has been set down for hearing in November. Suffice to say that a victory against the Anti-Discrimination Act (NSW) 1977 will have very serious ramifications for all other anti-discrimination laws, including S18C of the Racial Discrimination Act (Cth) 1975. In other words, the outcome of this case may well destroy anti-free speech laws before the politicians in parliament ever get around to repealing them.

As such, when it comes to free speech, this battle is the number one game in town. And let's all hope that it is successful. Australians should not be forced to apologise for their conservative views on family and morality. I, for one, won't

Thirdly, the New South Wales Civil and Administrative Tribunal held a Case Conference yesterday and decided to proceed with an additional 8 complaints against me from Garry Burns, even though these matters are before the New South Wales Supreme Court of Appeal and even though the Tribunal has already determined that there is no jurisdiction under New South Wales anti-discrimination law to lodged complaints against people in Queensland.

Don't ask me to explain the logic here. I can't. But the matter has been set for another Case Conference on 14 December 2016.

As far as I am concerned, the Tribunal and the Anti-Discrimination Board below it are acting far beyond their powers. However, I will deal with that issue after the main game, which is the action in the Court of Appeal.

I was very grateful for the support I received at a fundraising dinner held at the Coorparoo RSL on 27 August. Robyn Sully did a tremendous job organising it and nearly 100 people attended.

We are now in the early stages of planning to organise other such dinners across Australia. From the feedback received, attendees found it a very good way of understanding these matters and their importance. From my perspective, it was an extremely effective way of getting this particular story out and explaining to Australians how all of us are affected by totalitarian laws that seek to target conservative political beliefs.

If you are interested in attending the next dinner in Brisbane it will be held at the Coorparoo RSL on 29 October at 6pm.

Please email Robyn at robynsully@hotmail.com (mailto:robynsully@hotmail.com?subject=Fundraising%20Dinner) to book and for further details.

Thank you once again to all who have assisted financially, especially over the past month. We are slowly getting through all the thank you emails and I would like to thank the volunteers who have been able to provide support in this task.

Please consider small regular donations if you would like to assist:

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I am also looking for volunteers who can assist with video production, or who live on the south side of Brisbane and who can assist with administrative support. If you would like to help, please email me.

Finally, it was pleasing to see that over 65,000 people visited my webpage in August. Australians are looking for conservative views that are not filtered out by the politically correct media. That is why the radical left want the anti-discrimination laws that we are fighting. They want webpages like mine shut down and to deny Australians the opportunity to hear from anyone willing to stand up to their Safe Schools programs, their support of Islam and their attacks on our Western Christian traditions.

Thank you once again for your support.

Kind regards,

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  This is what we are engaging in and those who think differently than me here will dismiss me with a simple - moron - tagbut this is exactly what free speech is. We hold different opinions and voice them without fear of personal attack. Verbally attacking someone is not freedom its abuse. We are not free to abuse others. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen D. Williams" To: Cc: Sent:Sun, 11 Sep 2016 22:48:55 -0700 Subject:Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia - [personal@bernardgaynor.com.au: Update: battle for free speech] In a free and open society, even the invalid opinions have to be allowed.  Fools should be allowed to make fools of themselves in public.  And other fools should be allowed to ridicule them. sdw

Verbally attacking someone is not freedom its abuse.

tell that to little abusive troll juan

We are not free to abuse others.

so drop his anarchy back on him and unfree his ass

On 09/11/2016 11:59 PM, Nadine Earnshaw wrote:

"True free speech demands that you allow horrible small minded idiots the right to say vile things in public so that all unpopular but valid opinions can be debated and society can grow."

No I don't agree with you. Sorry but you dont get to define what free speech is.

You don't get to redefine what free means. See http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/free. I see nothing there about limits or restrictions.

In 18c we arent talking about what is unpopular but what is public vilification. There is a difference between debate and personal attacks.Personal attacks whether physical or verbal are not acceptable and are criminal in civilized society.

It is what it is. But it's not free speech if there are restrictions.

Free speech like guns can hurt when in the wrong hands, it is not something that hatefull fwits can hide behind.

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The bottom line is that you DO NOT believe in freespeech but are trying to convince yourself and others that you do.

People like you who try to pass off controlled or restricted speech as free speech are trying to redefine the term because you are too afraid to accept the fact that you want to restrict others rights to suit your own purposes.

True free speech demands that you allow horrible small minded idiots the right to say vile things in public so that all unpopular but valid opinions can be debated and society can grow.

On 12 September 2016 01:13:57 GMT+01:00, Nadine Earnshaw wrote: the bottom line is that assholes cant hide behind their vile and call it free speech and find protection im fine with finger pointing at the asshat and calling them out on being what they are i also believe in gun control and legal abortion. encypt your conversations and be a dick in private with other dicksthis i think you have the right to.importantly that you have right to privacy. the right to be free, to talk openly in private without being monitored by others. this is what I think freedom of speech is.

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_"PUBLIC PLACE " _includes any place to which the public have access as of right or by invitation, whether express or implied and whether or not a charge is made for admission to the place

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So, free speech is ok so long as it is only used t o say yhe things you find acceptable? :D

On 8 September 2016 04:09:38 GMT+01:00, Nadine Earnshaw wrote: freedom of speech does not protect hate speechand that is what 18c which Bernard supports being removed. He is free to say "I wouldn't let a gay person teach my children and I am not afraid to say it," a Twitter post from Mr Gaynor read. but there is a line and that is what 18c is about. http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/rda1975202/s18c.html He is free to be a dick in private. Clearly with his being dismissed he has trouble with what private is.

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Bernard Gaynor is a controversial Australian with conservative pro-family views whom some would say is ultra-conservative, to which I would counter "that's just your post-modern moral relativism which dominates the current Western public and social dialogue".

So, notwithstanding anyone's particular views on any particular issue which Bernard Gaynor stands for and champions (at least one of which I strongly disagree with), his stand for freedom of speech is superb, courageous, persistent, and thyankfully a following has formed which donates to keep him and his family afloat in the face of the legal fees and the many personal sacrifices he has chosen to make, and some which he has and continues to suffer at the hands of his opponents, including the chief of the Australian Army who stepped down to an early retirement in "moral disgrace" and knowing that he would not survive his very political attack against Bernard Gaynor's personal stands as an Australian Army reserve man (he sacked Bernard amongst other things).

So plenty to debate, but the guts of this is free speech and the long standing statutory infractions against our right to freedom of speech, and in particular as we name it for necessary but quirky reasons in Australia for legal and constitutional purposes:

freedom to communicate on political and related matters

Good luck Bernard,

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On 09/12/2016 12:23 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

On 9/11/16 10:59 PM, Nadine Earnshaw wrote:

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"True free speech demands that you allow horrible small minded idiots the right to say vile things in public so that all unpopular but valid opinions can be debated and society can grow."

No I don't agree with you. Sorry but you dont get to define what free speech is.

It is already well defined and extremely well argued: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions http://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/educational-resources/about-edu...

Speech in the US isn't free, either. But speech on a well-secured Tor onion site is arguably very close to free. That's very cool :)

A reasonable history of free speech: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2006/feb/05/religion.news

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In 18c we arent talking about what is unpopular but what is public vilification. There is a difference between debate and personal attacks. Personal attacks whether physical or verbal are not acceptable and are criminal in civilized society.

How would you know whether people have outgrown their prejudices if it is illegal for them to illustrate them? You would rather that they stew and scheme (in the American meaning) in private?

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Free speech like guns can hurt when in the wrong hands, it is not something that hatefull fwits can hide behind.

Some hurts should be confronted rather than outlawed.

sdw

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 01:59:01PM +0800, Nadine Earnshaw wrote:

"True free speech demands that you allow horrible small minded idiots the right to say vile things in public so that all unpopular but valid opinions can be debated and society can grow." 

No I don't agree with you. Sorry but you dont get to define what free speech is. In 18c we arent talking about what is unpopular but what is public vilification. There is a difference between debate and personal attacks.Personal attacks whether physical or verbal are not acceptable and are criminal in civilized society.

So where is the quote of Bernard Gaynor, where you say he said something publicly that personally attacked another individual, and that therefore Bernard Gaynor should suffer some legal/ criminal punishment, such as things already done to him (sacking him from the Australian Reserve Army) or some additional/ other punishement he should suffer, as a result??

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:13:57 +0800 "Nadine Earnshaw" wrote:

  the bottom line is that assholes cant hide behind their vile and call it free speech and find protection

the bottom line is that you are a highly stupid, fascist cunt.

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:13:57 +0800 "Nadine Earnshaw" wrote:

  the bottom line is that assholes cant hide behind their vile and call it free speech and find protection

So, it may be worthwhile to explain, once again, what Nadine stands for. Under Nadine's political system, a group of people who call themselves the government operate in the following fashion : They create a huge amount of arbitrary and criminal 'rules' or 'laws' and ultimately murder any person who doesn't obey them and their 'laws'. Any and all of her government's immoral dictates are 'enforced' by the threat of murder, or by actual murder. Also, Nadine's system is financiaded by massive theft and fraud, in the guise of taxes and inflation. Now, it is obvious that such totalitarian system is based on the most pure of hate currently existing. And it is these sick, people-hating criminals the ones who get to define 'hate' speech. Go back to the Ministry of Love Nadine. J.

No it's the USA that murder people., Australia doesn't have capital punishment Sent from my iPhone

On 13 Sep 2016, at 8:07 AM, juan wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:13:57 +0800 "Nadine Earnshaw" wrote:

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the bottom line is that assholes cant hide behind their vile and call it free speech and find protection

So, it may be worthwhile to explain, once again, what Nadine stands for.

Under Nadine's political system, a group of people who call themselves the government operate in the following fashion : They create a huge amount of arbitrary and criminal 'rules' or 'laws' and ultimately murder any person who doesn't obey them and their 'laws'.

Any and all of her government's immoral dictates are 'enforced' by the threat of murder, or by actual murder. Also, Nadine's system is financiaded by massive theft and fraud, in the guise of taxes and inflation.

Now, it is obvious that such totalitarian system is based on the most pure of hate currently existing. And it is these sick, people-hating criminals the ones who get to define 'hate' speech.

Go back to the Ministry of Love Nadine.

J.

Don't believe me? Stop obeying the police's orders, resist their 'authority' and see how fast you get killed.

stop abusing ppl on list u TROLL or see how fast u get doxed