DarkMarket shut down.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/27/22748317/darkmarket-closure-internationa... Jim Bell's comment: 8 years after Silk Road was shut down, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_%28marketplace%29?wprov=sfla1 I consider it utterly irrational that current dark markets are not routinely protected using an AP (Assassination Politics) kind of protection. I know I suggested this in 2013. While I think that dark markets have done a plausibly good job given their limitations, nevertheless they need to be better. As the movie Dr Strangelove said, "Deterrence is the art of producing in the mind of the enemy the FEAR to attack." The people who are hunting these markets need to FEAR to find, prosecute, and convict the participants. If a rather large bounty ($100k ?) were placed on the head of anyone doing that, including police, judges and prosecutors, dark markets would become essentially invincible. The risk associated with running or using a dark market would drop to virtually zero. Their costs and prices would drop dramatically, too.
I consider it utterly irrational that current dark markets are not routinely protected using an AP (Assassination Politics) kind of protection.
Why would they be protected that way? They don't need that kind of protection. They are already perfectly protected by the pentagon's anonimity network, Tor. They are also protected by technofascist 'cypherpunk' cryptography. 'Dark market' operators use the latest technological advances in Smart Phones and their Smart Phones are Crpytographically Protected by Joogle and Crapple. Do you get the Picture Jim? Your Techonafascist GovCorp Technology is Liberating Humanity, it is Military Grade Cryptography, and it can't be cracked! Also, just THINK about what you just proposed, for a change. In order to have an 'AP' system to protect 'dark markets', you need a 'darkmarket' FIRST. Because, in case you didn't notice, what is 'AP' but a 'darkmarket' for hitmem? Now, there's this little problem that you as a Master Technology Scientist are not seeing. Your 'darkmarkets' DON'T WORK. Isn't it infinitely funny? Jim Bell's Revolutionary Invention : Use BROKEN 'dark markets' to 'protect' 'darkmarkets'.
On Tuesday, November 2, 2021, 09:31:06 AM PDT, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
I consider it utterly irrational that current dark markets are not routinely protected using an AP (Assassination Politics) kind of protection.
Why would they be protected that way? They don't need that kind of protection. They are already perfectly protected by the pentagon's anonimity network, Tor. They are also protected by technofascist 'cypherpunk' cryptography. 'Dark market' operators use the latest technological advances in Smart Phones and their Smart Phones are Crpytographically Protected by Joogle and Crapple. Do you get the Picture Jim? Your Techonafascist GovCorp Technology is Liberating Humanity, it is Military Grade Cryptography, and it can't be cracked! Don't blame me! I didn't invent TOR, nor did I choose it to be funded by the US Federal Government! Nor did I choose its limitations, for a specific example its lack of chaff. Two years ago, in fact, I proposed an alternate system using individually-owned Raspberry-Pi (?) remailers, not dependent on government funding or regulation. So, what makes you sound like I'm the problem?
> Also, just THINK about what you just proposed, for a change. In order to have an 'AP' system to protect 'dark markets', you need a 'darkmarket' FIRST. Because, in case you didn't notice, what is 'AP' but a 'darkmarket' for hitmem? Now, there's this little problem that you as a Master Technology Scientist are not seeing. Your 'darkmarkets' DON'T WORK. Isn't it infinitely funny? Actually, in terms of actual transaction volume, dark markets DO 'work'. The problem is, they are not 'bulletproof'. They are not perfect. Having multiple dark markets, some of which are in charge of an AP-like protection system, presumably means that they will not ALL fail at the same time, right? Your silly comments sound like they ignore this factor. You completely ignore the fact that I am not advocating a monopoly. > Jim Bell's Revolutionary Invention : Use BROKEN 'dark markets' to 'protect' 'darkmarkets'.\ Your illogic is astounding.
On Tue, 2 Nov 2021 22:59:45 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
Don't blame me! I didn't invent TOR, nor did I choose it to be funded by the US Federal Government! Nor did I choose its limitations, for a specific example its lack of chaff.
Yeah, I'm not blaming you for tor, I'm just pointing out that 'dark markets' exist inside the tor network, and that network is broken. That's the state of reality.
Two years ago, in fact, I proposed an alternate system using individually-owned Raspberry-Pi (?) remailers, not dependent on government funding or regulation. So, what makes you sound like I'm the problem?
Again, not blaming you for the fact that there's no 'robust' anonimity network. I do blame you for proposing a system that does require strong anonimity while apparently ignoring that such a thing as strong anonimity is nowhere to be found.
> Also, just THINK about what you just proposed, for a change. In order to have an 'AP' system to protect 'dark markets', you need a 'darkmarket' FIRST. Because, in case you didn't notice, what is 'AP' but a 'darkmarket' for hitmem? Now, there's this little problem that you as a Master Technology Scientist are not seeing. Your 'darkmarkets' DON'T WORK. Isn't it infinitely funny?
Actually, in terms of actual transaction volume, dark markets DO 'work'. The problem is, they are not 'bulletproof'. They are not perfect.
'dark markets' work to a limited extent, meaning end users can usually buy drugs without getting caught, although we don't really know how many end users do get caught. Maybe it's a non trivial number. Regardless, 'dark markets' DO NOT WORK when it comes to protecting the owners/operators, who always get caught within 6 months or a year, and I'm pretty sure the NSA nazis can find them way faster, and do. The govt just pretends otherwise.
Having multiple dark markets, some of which are in charge of an AP-like protection system, presumably means that they will not ALL fail at the same time, right?
dude, the 'AP market' will be shut down in days.
Your silly comments sound like they ignore this factor. You completely ignore the fact that I am not advocating a monopoly.
this has nothing to do with any kind of monopoly, advocated by you or not. If your 'AP market' can be easily shutdown, opening 10 different markets won't help much. Also, you're making bullshit as you go, trying to fix a broken system by adding more broken parts.
> Jim Bell's Revolutionary Invention : Use BROKEN 'dark markets' to 'protect' 'darkmarkets'.\ Your illogic is astounding.
YOUR position is absurd, as seen above. Dark markets fail because anonimity fails. Adding yet another market based on broken anonimity is nonsense. But let's pretend your position is not absurd, so please answer this question : WHY do you think there's no 'AP' market right now? If your views are correct, how come nobody is putting them in practice?
Well Jim, you still didn't explain why nobody implemented your great idea : use a broken AP 'darkmarket' to protect other broken 'darkmarkets'. Oh, and something I didn't underscore properly is the fact that 'darkmarkets' on tor are there just for show. They exist to 'justify' the 'jobs' of the 'cyberpolice', the DEA etc. Controlled opposition is the keyword.
On 11/2/21 3:59 PM, jim bell wrote:
Don't blame me! I didn't invent TOR, nor did I choose it to be funded by the US Federal Government! Nor did I choose its limitations, for a specific example its lack of chaff. Two years ago, in fact, I proposed an alternate system using individually-owned Raspberry-Pi (?) remailers, not dependent on government funding or regulation.
So, what makes you sound like I'm the problem?
You are the problem for Punk-BatSoup because you are a cyberpunk and he is a federal agent. Similarly, Edward Joseph Snowden is a problem for Punk-BatSoup, because Snowden sincere leftist who believes in all that left wing cant about liberty and suchlike - serious leftists, the people now in power, know that such useful idiots need to be guillotined come the revolution.
Years ago, the Tor internal logs were leaked. Tor is being funded by CIA. You can see Tor internal Logs where detailed information has been shared on this topic. And Jim Bell has nothing to do with the Tor project. But there's someone here who hired the CIA guy. Ask him why he hired the CIA guy and how much he's getting out of it. He worked for the Tor project, not Jim bell. Açık Çar, Kas 3, 2021 22:41, cherry <cherry@cpal.pw> yazdı:
On 11/2/21 3:59 PM, jim bell wrote:
Don't blame me! I didn't invent TOR, nor did I choose it to be funded by the US Federal Government! Nor did I choose its limitations, for a specific example its lack of chaff. Two years ago, in fact, I proposed an alternate system using individually-owned Raspberry-Pi (?) remailers, not dependent on government funding or regulation.
So, what makes you sound like I'm the problem?
You are the problem for Punk-BatSoup because you are a cyberpunk and he is a federal agent.
Similarly, Edward Joseph Snowden is a problem for Punk-BatSoup, because Snowden sincere leftist who believes in all that left wing cant about liberty and suchlike - serious leftists, the people now in power, know that such useful idiots need to be guillotined come the revolution.
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