On Tue, Dec 1, 2020, 11:17 AM coderman wrote:

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 3:23 AM, professor rat wrote:

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https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03348-4

‘It will change everything’: DeepMind’s AI makes gigantic leap in solving protein structures

one day, not long from now, DeepMind develops an uber-Novichok, and an influenza-variola.

the problem with technology is that it advances while humanity stagnates. inevitably will lead to calamity! (USA humans invest more in killing than teaching, as one example.)

till then, best regards,

(I'm re-experiencing a human trafficking thing I haven't found therapy for, and believing I am being forced to post to this list. When I try to do other things, I suddenly change my mind and turn my body away from them. I am not having that experience with this list, and that is very pleasant, but I do not like expressing without considering what I am saying more than I know how right now.) Regarding machine learning, there're a lot of open source tools out there, but I can't find any open source general intelligence projects, or ones focused on core things like that mediation, or productive large scale discourse. There used to be a lot of open source general intelligence projects, so I'm probably in a search-engine-results bubble of some sort. I notice additionally that such projects tend not to survive well, like many kinds of open source projects.

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 5:08 PM, Karl wrote: ...

Regarding machine learning, there're a lot of open source tools out there, but I can't find any open source general intelligence projects, or ones focused on core things like that mediation, or productive large scale discourse.

There used to be a lot of open source general intelligence projects, so I'm probably in a search-engine-results bubble of some sort. I notice additionally that such projects tend not to survive well, like many kinds of open source projects.

the root of the issue is complexity - general intelligence is complicated! deep learning, the usual tool, requires a huge font of data. typically the domain of governments, corporations, and universities. on top of this, training models on such large data sets is expensive in terms of computing cost. again, typically only in the budget for governments, corporations, and universities. i am reminded of semiconductor electronics. it used to be you could assemble yourself, but now giant fabs rule the game. same for AI: used to be you could innovate on your own, but now it takes research teams at large organizations with deep pockets. not to say you shouldn't try! but it might be a decade or more before your personal tools reach the capability of today's cutting edge models. best regards,

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:30 PM, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:

... Semiconductor manufacturing was always controlled by the same corrupt and despicable 'private'-government mafia. You can still assemble stuff but you have to get the components from govcorp (as always).

free yourself! "Homebrew NMOS Transistor Step by Step - So Easy Even Jeri Can Do It" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_znRopGtbE

there's no such thing as 'artficial intelligence' - The term is one of the most stupid examples of brain-dead marketing ever.

synthetic intelligence? non-biological intelligence? we can argue over semantics, but the gist is the same: technology advancing on the domain of animal brains...

bottom line : technical garbage was always and still is controlled by the enemy.

they don't have to be the sworn enemy. they can just be ignorant, yet still as damaging to humanity. best regards,

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020, 3:31 PM Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:

On Tue, 01 Dec 2020 19:22:32 +0000 coderman wrote:

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i am reminded of semiconductor electronics. it used to be you could assemble yourself, but now giant fabs rule the game.

that's confused. Semiconductor manufacturing was always controlled by the same corrupt and despicable 'private'-government mafia. You can still assemble stuff but you have to get the components from govcorp (as always).

Well, at the start a transistor was just a doped crystal that couldn't turn your poodle into a trojan on its own.

same for AI: used to be you could innovate on your own, but now it takes research teams at large organizations with deep pockets.

there's no such thing as 'artficial intelligence' - The term is one of the most stupid examples of brain-dead marketing ever.

I can debug computer programs. I respond to text messages to my google voice number, 1 207 518 8256. I am also on Signal and Telegram, but could use a reminder to check them.

bottom line : technical garbage was always and still is controlled by the enemy.

Conflict is the enemy. Its parts include censorship, ignorance, and reputation. Around 2014 I ran into a use of human trafficking by law enforcement and something else, to manipulate activists and harm their communities. I experienced extensive torture and brainwashing to force me into silence. I am still re-experiencing that.

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 8:18 PM, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote: ...

'human trafficking' you mean kidnapping people and putting them in jail?

there are some distinctly american ways of abusing people for profit in the USA. one of these is involuntary commitment. by decreeing you unsane and locking you up, you become a profit generator for the corporations that feed off the state. if you don't have family to advocate for you, or if medical people override your familial supports, you're stuck in a system for as long as it is profitable to keep you there. (usually a month or two, sometimes years, sometimes forever) note that you may not be "unsane", but simply old or disabled, and then your assets are seized as you become a "ward of the state" to "take care of you". this cohort is not just prisoners! i have yet to see a solid number on this fraud, but even modest estimates give tens of thousands of lives ruined through courts for private profit every year. best regards,

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020, 3:31 PM Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:

that's confused. Semiconductor manufacturing was always controlled by the same corrupt and despicable 'private'-government mafia. You can still assemble stuff but you have to get the components from govcorp (as always).

Nuts. Every transistor everywhere comes from an engineer who learned under an engineer who learned under .... an engineer who learned under Shockley. And Shockley was Ayn Rand's heroic engineer CEO scientist in the flesh. Free market Capitalism in person. When Intel married the government, soon stopped being able to produce silicon. Their last fab recently shut down, and now they rely on a Taiwanese fab. The last working fabs in America are owned by the King of Dubai - who is indeed a government, but not the USG government.

On 12/3/20, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:

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When Intel married the government, soon stopped being able to produce silicon. Their last fab recently shut down, and now they rely on a Taiwanese fab.

The last working fabs in America are owned by the King of Dubai - who is indeed a government, but not the USG government.

On 2020-12-03 18:35, grarpamp wrote:

What you quoting?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_manufacturing_sites

Which for each site lists opened such and such a date and *closed* such and such a date Or else manufacturing some old technology other than intel cpus.

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, December 3, 2020 2:15 PM, grarpamp wrote: ...

And if anyone think Intel not running classified Govt contracts at some stateside spot, some not even on the list, think again. Nor are NSA's own black fabs listed anywhere.

https://cryptome.org/2013-info/11/intel-ug-lab/intel-ug-lab.htm 12 November 2013. A sends: The facility is named "JFS-1 High Density Data Center." A report on the facility by Intel engineer and the architect/engineer: http://cryptome.org/2013-info/11/intel-ug-lab/Intel-Jones-Farm.pdf (2.8MB) 8 November 2013 Intel Secret Underground Laboratory A sends: J wrote:

... It has been about 31 years since I worked at Intel; at the time they were developing the first DRAMs with 'redundancy': The ability to swap out 'rows' and 'columns', or potentially blocks, of storage elements. This was done to be able to drastically increase the yield of such chips: Test programs were written to identify errors (single bits; bad rows; bad columns; bad blocks) and swap out with 'invisible' rows/columns/blocks with others. Presumably, modern flash ROM has long used similar abilities. If that is the case, there is some kind of ordinarily-invisible storage areas (blocks, most likely) in those flash-drives. Such areas were sometimes 'activated' (made to appear/disappear) by out-of-spec voltages (above +5 volts), but it's possible also that reading or 'writing' combinations of pre-specified data would also do this. It's been too long for me to give detailed assistance, but I can well imagine that 'they' are taking advantage of such 'features'.

Intel would be a strange beast for you today J. There's a secret underground facility in Oregon (perhaps Cali too) for classified intelligence work. some small fraction of Intel employees even know it exists. There they sequester CPU vulnerability research of sufficient implication. There they sequester hardware level exploitation research of sufficient implication. There they work on TS/SCI compartmented projects for USGOV. 45.545981, -122.962680 Hillsboro, OR To the east, power (and interesting perimeter controls) To the west, underground TS facilities accessed via underground tunnel under parking to main complex.

On 2020-12-04 00:15, grarpamp wrote:

Chandler Fab42

Semico says https://semico.com/content/why-did-intel-press-pause-fab-42 "this week brings the news that Intel is delaying the startup of its Fab 42 in Chandler, Arizona ... Semico believes it is just a matter of time"

https://semico.com/content/semico-fab-database-update-summary-2020 Semico tracks over 1,000 semiconductor fabs in its Fab Database. The database includes detailed information about the fabs, including the operating status of the fab, its location, process and products, wafer size and capacity, and more. The other document included with the database is a Word file containing a summary of updates made to fabs by company type: Memory, Foundries, and Other. For pricing and additional information contact Rick Vogelei at 480-435-8564 or email him rickv@semico.com.