Calling bullshit. Mirimirs right, explanation makes no sense. And JYA says netsol won't let him delete the logs but Netsol says logs are disabled by default and you have to turn them on. So how the fuckd this really happen? Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> Are you arguing that users could have found those logs? I almost can't imagine that. Logs are normally in /var/log/ somewhere, and I can't imagine making them searchable. And indeed, I can't imagine how Cryptome archives would have included anything from /var/log/, even after system restore from backups. <--SNIP--> > Should access logs be kept for that long? Absolutely not. From what I > have read in the email exchange that was posted, the log files were > included in a NetSol total restore. My guess is that John/Cryptome did > not intentionally keep these files, and did not realize these files were > included in the archive. But that's the thing. Logs should have been in /var/log/. And how would the "NetSol total restore" have changed that? > When I do incremental backups or updates on my own systems, I don't > usually go back and check the integrity of files I've already archived > in my closed system. I can see where this could be an honest mistake > that has gotten blown way out of proportion. It's a good lesson to be > more aware of these types of glitches. I still don't get how logs would have ended up in archives. Maybe JYA prepared a special set of archives for a collaborator. Maybe for someone helping him to understand what had happened. And then maybe he forgot about doing that. Hard to say.