On 07/01/2016 09:21 PM, juan wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 21:07:22 -0600 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
As I said, your reading comprehension sucks.
No it doesn't. I explained that given the 'context' my reading is quite valid. Looks like your writing sucks.
De gustibus non disputandem ;)
Or you're just twisting shit to pretend that you're right.
I am right. And you admited that anonimity systems don't work.
I did no such thing.
So you say that 'anonimity systems' *may eventually* reduce state power, from which it follows that RIGHT NOW, THEY DON'T. And you further acknowledge that such reduction seems like a dream.
So you basically conceded my point. I simply reading your allegedly 'general' comment in a way that underscores the fact that tor doesn't work.
You're forgetting the "substantially" bit. Tor does reduce state power, now, for many people. Maybe not overall, on a net basis, given how state fascists use it. By "substantially", I mean that anonymity systems might eventually destroy states by undermining taxation. As in Stephenson's _Snow Crash_ or MacArdry's _Last Trumpet Project_.
It works for many people.
What a fucktard you are. It's clear again that your writing skills suck.
"I also believe that they may eventually reduce state power substantially. "
So they don't work
They don't yet work substantially, fucktard ;)
"It works for many people."
So you contadicted yourself. But don' worry. You got it right the first time. Anonimity systems don't work.
Would *working* anonimity systems reduce state power? Likely yes. Do the current anonimity systems reduce state power? No. Especially tor, a creation of the state.
So you keep saying.
Because it is correct.
It's about anonymity systems generally. That's what you're apparently saying is bullshit. Or have I misread you?
Anonimity systems in general include tor in particular.
Yes, but statements about anonymity systems generally aren't limited to Tor.
But tor is 'the best'. So if even 'the best' is a failure, then the rest of systems are going to be even more of a failure. That's like the A of the ABC of basic logic.
The best _right now_ does not mean the best ever. WTF.
But right now, Tor is the best we have.
Yeah. You said so a couple of times...
So we use it, with suitable precautions. Or we play naked. What else do you suggest?
I suggest you stop using the pronoun 'we'. *You* find the 'free' tax-funded pentagon's 'anonimity' network useful and apparently don't care much about the real price of the system.
No, I don't care about the "real price of the system". Why should I?
Right. You are a 'nihilist' eh? As long as you can buy dmt it's OK for the pentagon to fuck as many people as they can.
It's not "OK". It's what's so. The Pentagon will use any anonymity system to fuck people.
And, as I said before, people that you hate would be using any effective anonymity system. So you might as well get over it.
grarpamp replied to that particular piece of bullshit.
He's not so rabid about not using Tor, I think.
I further suggest that anybody interested in freedom stay away from the pentagon. Doubly so if they are cypherpunk 'anarchists' or sympathetic to the cause.
The Pentagon is everywhere, dude ;)
So?
It's in your mind ;)