On December 24, 2017 7:57:52 PM EST, rooty <arpspoof@protonmail.com> wrote:
is coming around to be more widely accepted that there was no Jesus > as described in the gospels that started the early Christian church This is stupid. There is plausible historical evidence that Jesus did not rise from the dead, nor did the sun stand still over one of the Empire's dominions, but we have ample historical evidence for Jesus the man, who was crucified by Pontius Pilate, and anyone who denies it is just stupid or ignorant. If anything, we have better historical evidence for Jesus the man than Mohammed the Prophet. In actual
-------- Original Message -------- On Dec 24, 2017, 4:50 PM, James A. Donald wrote: On 12/24/2017 8:50 PM, John Newman wrote: > I agree, Wikipedia is badly skewed on this, but it seems like they are > probably just following conventional thought on the issue. Which I feel practice, the Church was founded by Paul, who used the conveniently dead Jesus as basis for what we now know as Christianity. Lots of aspects of the founding myth of Christianity are improbable, and either supported only by suspiciously weak evidence, or contradicted by compellingly strong evidence, but that Jesus lived and was crucified by Pontius Pilate is undeniable by anyone half way sane. The Jewish religion was in a holiness spiral which put them on course for a suicidal confrontation with Rome, therefore one would expect a prophet to condemn this holiness spiral in exactly the manner that Jesus is recorded as condemning it. And one would expect a prophet who spoke the truth on this matter to get crucified. As Jesus the man is recorded as being crucified. This aspect of the founding myth is inherently plausible, and is supported by compellingly strong evidence. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
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I don't get James Donald's email, so I can only reply indirectly: show me the evidence. There is contemporary evidence of the existence of Pontius Pilate... There is *no contemporary* evidence for Jesus. Even if you consider Josephus a contemporary, which he isn't, it is widely accepted that the few lines "he scribbled" on Jesus are a much later interpolation, a forgery done by some devout who was embarrassed at the paucity of evidence for the messiah. As for Tacitus - he was writing at an even later date, circa 120 CE, and if the brief passage in which he mentions Christus is not a forgery, its simply the case of him repeating propaganda he had heard from early Christians themselves. And thats it! I won't bother to mention the gospels themselves, which are hilariously contradictory, all written far too late, and obviously a bunch of religious propaganda filled with mystical nonsense. Also, it's funny hearing someone like James Donald opine on fact. This is not a man to be trusted on anything factual. James Donald knows fuck all about fact from fiction, and gleefully picks and chooses which is which, to suit his own fucked up and disgusting ideology. https://blog.jim.com tells you all you need to know about James Donald. Cheers John