On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 05:02:13PM -0300, Punk wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jul 2019 05:34:40 -0400 John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 04:08:39PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
What's the answer to the Fermi paradox?
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I was hinting at something simpler. Namely: any sufficiently intelligent life form will destroy itself
why?
It's a cynical way of looking at what seems to be a rapacious species, who seems to have its eye on short term gains, and is continually on the edge of unsustainable expansion or unintentional self-destruction. Nick Bostrum has some other theories that aren't exactly existential ends, but "the gradual elimination of all forms of being worth caring about" (not talking about the simulation hypothesis). https://nickbostrom.com/fut/evolution.html
before it ever gets a chance to send von neumann probes out pissing its mark all over the universe.
and why would 'they' send 'probes'? And what makes you think anyone can 'send probes' all over an infinite universe?
the explanation for the alleged 'fermi paradox' looks kinda clear to me. Imperialist western assholes who have raped the whole world take for granted that 'aliens' would do the same thing with the whole universe...
however, I'd assume that intelligent beings wouldn't bother 'colonizing the universe'. So there isn't any 'paradox'. Just a self centered assumption made by some ppl.
Yeah, I hope so. That's the positive way to think about it, and how I hope shit plays out - how it would have to have played out, all over the trillions of galaxies with billions of stars and exoplanets that make up the universe, over the past ~14B years. Of course, its also possible the "Great Filter" could be something else entirely, or some other explanation. Anyway, we'll likely be dead before humanity totally shits the bed, if it does happen, so who gives a fuck, right :)
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