Re: Russia and China crack Snowden Cache

WikiLeaks WikiTweets only .05% of Snowden documents have been declassified for release by the spy-micking hoarders, out of nearly 1M. Cryptome tallies 7% of Guardian's magically variable 58,000 or .02% of DoD's defense industry mass overkill 1.7M. This affirms the Snowden-idolizing MSM are hardly better journalism than Sunday Times at customary citizen-subject-consumer hoodwinking relying on rhetorical exaggeration with minimal substantiation, that is, following the model of royalty, official spies and commercial public relations (bestow on Apple's CEO for lying about iSpookery), why even, pardon the ad disruption, cryptosecurity everywhere floggers, nay, nay, hordes of educators indenturing wage slaves, religious hustlers token-sucking the poorest tax-avoiding the richest, and not worth slathering horse-dookie on Lady Gaga Godiva, bloated governments wielding the armaments of utter obedience for most none for a few. Which, clang cymbol, why demand only NSA stop it, stop stomping invented civlib, why not demand all the world's spies close shop, defuse the PALs of the WMD terrorists. Spies beget world's worst spies, govs beget world's worst govs, biz begets world's worst biz, secperts beget, so on, to wit, shit methane. Tis a damn lie, verily a rigged stat, a TED yip, that some official secrecy is okay (Schneier, most secperts) just not too much, that is, my secrecy, my NSA protection racket sold to world spies and clueless public as costly and methaney, is perfume, yours is RU and CN bowel gas -- as mirrored by RU and CN. At 12:20 AM 6/16/2015, you wrote:

On 06/15/2015 05:13 PM, zaki@manian.org wrote:

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2. There was a period of time when the Snowden cache was controlled primarily by journalists with limited organizational support. Many bad things could have happened. It is still mysterious if they did.

Indeed.

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3.It also seems likely that competing services had access to many of the same documents as Snowden did. It seems reasonable to assume there were more people exfiltrating docs for private benefit than for public benefit on the top secret network.

Well damn, they could have been decent enough to post them on Cryptome or WikiLeaks ;) Even a hidden service site with a paywall would have been cool ;)

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4. What standard should organizations who handle secret information be held to? The Intercept has hired some of top practitioners in the field. Is that good enough? Less well funded institutions?

What does "be held to" mean? By whom?

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On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 11:10 AM, wrote:

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| Glenn Greenwald at The//Intercept on The Sunday Times birdcage liner | 'reporting' that brought the story to press. | | https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/06/14/sunday-times-report-snowden= | -files-journalism-worst-also-filled-falsehoods/

If Snowden had zero copies and Greenwald/Poitras had the originals, then any Russo-Chinese fiddling with those originals was the result of having stolen them from Greenwald/Poitras, not Snowden.

As the world turns,

--dan