On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 01:39:27AM +0100, rysiek wrote:
Dnia wtorek, 3 marca 2015 17:41:14 grarpamp pisze:
There might, or might not, be hackers among us who are trying to hack on policy level. But those hackers, if they indeed are following (or maybe even taking part in) the discussions here, might not want to come out with such information, as the level of hostility towards any persons or organisations that can be painted as "working with The Man" or "taking the Man's money" is too damn high™.
Who cares, that's up to the cpunk. If the cypherpunk is pure, working with the man to get cpunk shit done is just another hacking skin to hang on their wall. And a highly prized one of social engineering at that. Cpunks should bow the fuck down in respect to such a fellow cpunk, not fling hostile FUD at them just because they're working the system. For that matter, they should join them to add another voice. There are probably more US persons on this list than there are in their entire Congress. Think about that...
+1. And for those that don't believe shit can be hacked on policy level, look at ACTA, or at censorship debates in Poland. For instance: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/07/27/1325235/the-shortest-internet-censors...
My theory is the whole Tom Cotton letter to Iran was a legislative trojan, and there was a coordinated psy-ops campaign to get 47 senators to sign it. So who would be financially motivated to hack the republican party, and have the covert intelligence and psy-ops/social engineering capability to pull it off? For all we know this was done by some pissed off NSA/CIA cpunk employees who know how to work the system and aren't quite ready to pull a snowden yet. Oh, and the *discovery* of NSA/CIA involvement in hacking the party would just be a bonus easter-egg for a lot of libertarian-minded cpunk patriots.
Now in the other direction of possible hostility... should The Man discover a cpunk within their ranks, well yes, there is a risk there. The usual opsec applies.
The opsec, as you say, is "usual". As in, cpunks more or less know how to handle it. The FUD and divide-and-conquer is a whole different ball game, and that's a huge problem.
In other words, FUD spread by "the Man" and the disinformation campaign, sowing dissent, creating hostility and distrust within the community, and in general the divide and conquer approach work wonders.
That's why the above masses need to activate and throw the FUD back, and more, at The Man. Two can play that game. Problem is, right now there is only one real player on the field of politics, his name is The Man, and he's not on team cpunk.
Absolutely. And to start doing that, we *REALLY* need to see that "The Man" is not really a single entity, but a dynamic system of co-dependant people, institutions, interests, etc. Once we stop seeing "Teh Gummint" as a single entity that Has A Plan, cracks start to show. And we all know what we can do with cracks, don't we?
As long as we allow ourselves to drink the Kool-Aid of how mighty and monolithic "The Man" is, we're fucked.
The man has a million cracks & crevices, dark, warm, inviting places for the roots of a million seeds to grow. What are you planting this spring? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Troy Benjegerdes 'da hozer' hozer@hozed.org 7 elements earth::water::air::fire::mind::spirit::soul grid.coop Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel, nor try buy a hacker who makes money by the megahash