Maybe the Swiss have enough balls to throw off their oppressors, if not they wouldn't be any different than the US Euro Asian and other major anti-Cash anti-Crypto anti-Gold anti-Freedom pro-CBDC worshipping States' apologist cowards... Meanwhile in the US…. Agenda: How can we fuck over our citizens more? Swiss to vote on preventing cashless society, pressure group says https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/swiss-vote-preventing-cashless-societ... " Feb 6 (Reuters) - Swiss citizens will get the chance to try to ensure their economy never becomes cashless, a pressure group said, after collecting enough signatures by Monday to trigger a popular vote on the issue. The FBS (Free Switzerland Movement) says cash is playing a shrinking role in many economies, as electronic payments become the default for transactions in increasingly digitised societies, making it easier for the state to monitor its citizens' actions. It wants a clause added to Switzerland's currency law, which governs how the central bank and government manage the money supply, stipulating that a "sufficient quantity" of banknotes or coins must always remain in circulation. There is no evidence of moves towards a cashless society by Swiss authorities. FBS said it had garnered over 111,000 signatures in support of the measure, above the 100,000 needed to trigger a popular vote. Under Switzerland's system of direct democracy, the proposal would become law if approved by voters, though government and parliament would decide how that law was implemented. "It is clear that ... getting rid of cash not only touches on issues of transparency, simplicity or security ... but also carries a huge danger of totalitarian surveillance," FBS president Richard Koller said on the group's website. He also views Switzerland as a European standard-bearer for the defence of cash, as pushing through such guarantees in the European Union would entail the "almost impossible" process of securing approval from all 27 member states. Accelerated by the impact of COVID-19 lockdowns, the trend towards increased cashless payments was evident as far back as 2017, when an Ipsos study found more than a third of Europeans and Americans would happily go without cash and 20% pretty much did so already. " [–]ne0_jamm3r 42 points 2 days ago In America, freedom is just a statue. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Asleep_Plant6117 3 points 1 day ago A Statue in chains… permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Asleep_Plant6117 6 points 2 days ago Indeed.. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]noshortsnoproblem 2 points 2 days ago Indeed? Or in need? Of monetary statutes? Makes one wonder…. 💭 🧐 permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]buzzjn 4 points 1 day ago Not only in the US this is happening in Europe too. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [+]JaJe92 -9 points 2 days ago How come a cashless society caries a danger of totalitarian surveillance? Care to explain? To me it is that cash is easy to money launder while cashless can prevent it where all transactions are monitored. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]seraph321 15 points 2 days ago Maybe the biggest reason - who defines laundering or illegal transactions? You have complete faith that your interests and morals will always align with whoever is in power and is able to monitor or prevent any transactions you make? You’re ok with having no ability to hold monetary value in a way that isn’t 100% at the pleasure of not only your current governors, but all who come later? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]-SPRENGMEISTER- 4 points 1 day ago Because with cashless payments your bank, Mastercard/Visa/Amex/PayPal, potentially your government, potentially also other governments and potentialy other companies that provide technical infrastructure or to whom the data is sold can see every transaction you make. Facebook will know you better than your best friend by analyzing a few likes you gave. What do you think does someone know about you who has complete access to your complete economic activity? Every grocery shopping, what clothes you buy, where you travel, what you like to eat, what you do in your freetime, what medical problems you have, including mental ones. Still not scared? Well, you better don't be ethical enough to pay for the porn you watch because they will know what your sexual orientation and preferences are. Remember: there are governments that literally kill people for having the ”wrong“ sexual orientation. Oh and if you are political and donate to some organisation, it will be known to them. See any problem with that? Does cash help money laundering? Maybe. But the evidence isn't that clear about it and much money laundering, especially with large amounts is still done with electronic payments because cash becomes inconvenient at large scales. But even if we could eliminate all money laundering in the world by abolishing financial privacy? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]JaJe92 0 points 1 day ago Kind of ironic that people get really vocal against cashless society for those reasons but never care of actually privacy online and these big tech harvesting as much data as possible of every individuals that know more about you even without your monetary transactions. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]-SPRENGMEISTER- 1 point 1 day ago That's both whataboutism and a big fucking strawman. There are plenty of people that get very vocal about that, too. There isn't a dataset that's more sensitive than literally ALL OF YOUR ECONOMIC ACTIVITY Nobody forces you to be on Facebook. But if there's no cash anymore (and no equally private digital payment solution), you have no choice but to use digital payment solutions that allow for total surveillance of everything you do. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]CYjgb 3 points 1 day ago Because the Commies in government can shut off your digital currency!?! permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]JaJe92 3 points 1 day ago As well can make your cash worthless by creating new currency. Same principe. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Nickovskii 2 points 1 day ago You lose control in a centralized environment. It will come as they believe it might fix problems. I dont think someone does this with the goal to gain power. I believe in the good intentions. However, i dont like to lose control over my wealth in a blink of an eye by someone or something I dont know. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Bitcoin_Maximalistredditor for 3 months[S] 2 points 1 day ago did you forget the /s ? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]OkeyDokeyWokey 1 point 15 hours ago I’m afraid he didn’t and really believes it. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Sylerb 1 point 2 days ago I think surveillance here means the ability of banks, payment processors etc to see your balance , your purchases etc. This data is very valuable and can be used to manipulate votes in an election for example, and is very centralized since if you lose your card or get sanctioned, no one will be able to sell you anything, even food.. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]JaJe92 1 point 2 days ago Aren't the big payment forced by law to do via banks? Here where I live it is. I don't think anyone would care that you spent money buying some food or some cheap stuff. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Sylerb 1 point 2 days ago Yeah I don't actually get myslef.. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Whazers1 29 points 2 days ago I will vote yes permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Bitcoin_Maximalistredditor for 3 months[S] 18 points 2 days ago Dafür eine gratis Toblerone von mir :) permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]-SPRENGMEISTER- 8 points 1 day ago Ich hoffe, ihr habt Erfolg. Und ich hoffe, dass dadurch Menschen bei uns in der EU mal besser über das Thema nachdenken und die Gefahren begreifen, die die Zurückdrengung des Bargelds mit sich bringt. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]dabackpackgal 5 points 1 day ago The same permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]SuspiciousSquid94 18 points 2 days ago Cash is the original peer to peer private medium of exchange permalink embed save report give award reply [–]DekiEE 7 points 1 day ago Food is still the first thing that was traded and will probably be the last too. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]blissbaby1111 1 point 1 day ago Which came first, the food or the blow bang? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]gvictor808 5 points 2 days ago Sexual favors predate cash permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]SuspiciousSquid94 3 points 1 day ago Lets go back to that permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]blissbaby1111 2 points 1 day ago Some of us have made the switch. You too could save 15% or more permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]tycooperaow 2 points 1 day ago “Hey noble, I’ll doo something strange for a bag a barley and wheat for my village” permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ANDREWNOGHRI 1 point 1 day ago That gets awkward when you buy your grandad's truck. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]OkeyDokeyWokey 1 point 15 hours ago Depends if your grandma is still alive and how hot she looks. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]eoneqeip 53 points 2 days ago Love to see Swiss democratic approach to important topics...other nations have a lot to learn from them. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]i_am_bloating 24 points 2 days ago I strongly believe that Swiss democracy is the true democracy and that’s partly why they don’t join the EU which doesn’t go by the same democracy system. Power is handed from the bottom up, not from the top down as in other democracies. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [+]foulminion -24 points 2 days ago Yeah, I dunno. Sometimes the results are... worrisome. Like that time they received a public condemnation by no one other than the UN Human Rights Council for banning any (future) constructions of mosques. So yeah, we can learn things from their approach, but tolerance probably isn't one of them. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]OkeyDokeyWokey 8 points 2 days ago How is that worrisome? If a majority of the country doesn’t like it, there is enough other space for them to build their mosques. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]foulminion 0 points 1 day ago I think you’re missing what that implies for Bitcoin: If it was possible to get a majority to vote for preventing the spread of a major religion, how plausible is it to spread an agenda among the populace to ban technology and services extending Bitcoin’s reach into everyday life? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]OkeyDokeyWokey 2 points 1 day ago The funny thing is that Bitcoin does not conform to whatever lawmaker in the world comes up with. They tried in China, they failed. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]foulminion 1 point 1 day ago I'd rather not rely on people getting comfortable with breaking the law in order to help BTC reach mainstream. And thankfully, that isn't really an issue in Switzerland currently. I'm just hoping it stays that way. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]OkeyDokeyWokey 1 point 1 day ago If they will change the law to make your life impossible, you can start to wonder whether it becomes duty to break this law. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Kasegigashira 16 points 2 days ago Direct democracy is what it is.. Sadly Sometimes the majority is xenophobic, but the Swiss system is nothing short of amazing. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]foulminion 1 point 1 day ago Propaganda is a strong tool. I’m not sure the established financial elite with the friendly help of “concerned” politicians couldn’t succeed in “educating” the majority that Bitcoin is “dangerous, volatile, and mostly used by criminals” in an attempt to ban access to as well as the use of it in Switzerland. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Narf234 2 points 2 days ago Was there a rational for the ban? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Kasegigashira 8 points 2 days ago The ban was on minarets. At that time, like 10 years ago, the proponents of the people's initiative argued that a ban on constructing them in Switzerland would prevent the further spread of Islam in the country. They said that minarets had “no religious function” and that the Koran contained no reference to minarets. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Narf234 2 points 2 days ago Oh, is a ban on minarets as xenophobic as people think it is? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Kasegigashira -3 points 2 days ago Well, a lot of Swiss were ashamed of it. It was controversial. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]eoneqeip 11 points 2 days ago that's democracy...if you believe in it you have to believe in it even when you are in the minority. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]obiwankenobi48redditor for 3 months 1 point 2 days ago While the right wing parties wasted years on these mental masturbations about minarets and "islamic invasion" (and don't forget the constant "eU Is BaD")...organized crime from all over Europe (especially Italy and the Balkans) has established itself here very comfortably, laundering money and smuggling drugs. Switzerland is one of the best countries in Western Europe for organized crime, because controls against money laundering are some of the less strict....fReEdUmmmmmm. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]QuickAltTab 0 points 2 days ago did they also ban future construction of churches? That would be fair and also a good move. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]foulminion 1 point 1 day ago Nah, churches are safu permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]DekiEE 0 points 1 day ago I agree that sometimes the results of direct democracy can be xenophobic or perceived racist, especially in a country that has had such a big immigration from Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia and Turkey. BUT in my personal opinion, as a kid of immigrants, I appreciate the crackdown on any religious facilities. They should cut all subsidies and disown the land every religious group has and give it to the people e.g. build housing. Religion and democracy cannot go hand in hand as religion always includes absolutism. Also you need a great educational system and opportunity to access free and unbiased information for direct democracy, because people are stupid and will do stupid things if you tell them so. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Bitcoin_Maximalistredditor for 3 months[S] 12 points 2 days ago Thanks for upvoting, didn´t expect that. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Ima_Wreckyou 8 points 2 days ago IMHO it will not just be a law if accepted. Decisions by public vote become amendments to the constitution and they can't be changed or reverted by the government. I hope that international organizations voice their concerns in an attempt to sway the decision, that usually leads to a knee-jerk reaction. lol. "them damn foreigners don't tell us what to do!" permalink embed save report give award reply [–]1Tim1_15 21 points 2 days ago Thank God. This needs to happen everywhere. Sadly, most people have no idea how critical cash and private currency is to a free society. Glad to see some people waking up. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]SamwiseGamgee87 1 point 1 day ago Private currency or public? We have BTC for this reason I will take the cashless If is in a circular BTC economy. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]nickname432 3 points 2 days ago "please pay cashless" it says here everywhere permalink embed save report give award reply [–]DangerX2HighVoltage 3 points 2 days ago Another thing the Swiss are doing right permalink embed save report give award reply [–]moonRekt 2 points 1 day ago Idk if I’d have a different viewpoint if I wasnt in the tip crazy USA, but a huge reason I always have cash is for tipping. No way im leaving a paper trail and making it easier for a company to steal one’s wages in the form of tips via credit cards. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]xrv01 2 points 1 day ago i like cash. v useful permalink embed save report give award reply [–]OkeyDokeyWokey 1 point 15 hours ago And you can swim in it. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]allovernow11 3 points 2 days ago Cash is KING permalink embed save report give award reply [–]SCaRMdOz 2 points 2 days ago* Interesting comments in r/bitcoin. Do I value my freedom? Do I value your freedom? Do you value my freedom? Freedom: The ability to go about ones business in any manner that one sees fit, providing it hurts nobody? Does removing cash hurt anybody? Does removing cash create a barrier to entry? Are there people in society that don't have debit/credit/bank/loyalty cards? If your chosen digital payment network crashes and you are starving and thirsty, does that create a barrier to entry for you? As a shop owner should I take pity on you and give you goods/services without payment? You have the freedom to beg if you choose. I have the freedom to turn you away if I choose. Cash is good when people do good things with it? Cash is bad when people do bad things with it? Is it that cash is good/bad or is it that people are good/bad? Do you value your freedom? Do you value my freedom? edit:typos. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]proph3tsix 1 point 2 days ago Interesting comments from u/SCaRMdOz. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]BasisOk4268 2 points 2 days ago CBDCs are a huge threat to freedom and rights globally. Cashless societies are ripe for manipulative forces. Fancy a protest? 100% of your funds have been frozen. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]JeanLouisMichelredditor for 7 weeks 2 points 1 day ago* But do you really have more than let's say 20%-30% of your savings in cash? Okay, I'm not one to love or trust the government but maybe when I'm ever worth 100M I'd stash a million under my big ass rich people bed. But as a rugelar person I don't see the deal or how one could manipulate me. I have more faith in DeFi for instance than in cash tbh. And if my government would try to ban crypto's I'd be burning down parliament. But stopping cash is just regular evolution imho. It's also gross to touch and the coins are smelly. (But that's not a good argumemt I know) I also already bought a nice silver cokestraw, so no need for bills. And even if you wanne do drugs, buy them online with crypto instead of going to a scary dealer in a neighbourhood where you can get stabbed or robbed. Somehow I think when the first paper money came into existence people were afraid of not being able to have gold. Also I don't really feel like the goverment (at least in my country) is trying opress me or anything, they're wildly incapable, very much yes, and have stupid ideas now and then. Hell, I'd even think they're too incapable of oppressing me. 😂 I'm from Belgium and actually, the biggest problem is that Belgians are too lazy to protest, so the government even doesn't have to oppress us, when we don't like a new regulation we go to a pub, drink some beer and whine a whole night to eachother about how unfair stuff is and few weeks later we just comply. I respect your opinion, just gotta say I don't completely understand your vision, maybe I'm ignorant so please, do explain cause I love learning new ideas and opinions from others! permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]BasisOk4268 2 points 1 day ago It’s not about whether it’s plausible for existing governments to become totalitarian. It’s about the possibility that future regimes can withhold access to citizens funds whenever they see fit. To an extent they already do it by freezing bank accounts of suspected criminals. Doesn’t sound like a bad thing really. But once every single transaction is on a centralised government controlled blockchain, they can do whatever they see fit. They can rewrite the rules of the country and you can’t change anything because you risk being thrown into poverty at the click of a button. There’s also what China have been trialling, where citizens funds expire every 2 weeks. They do this to perpetually inflate the economy, but also means you cannot have any chance of saving money to build a better life unless you’re born wealthy. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]JeanLouisMichelredditor for 7 weeks 1 point 1 day ago The fact that you think about future regimes is actually a very good point, gotta be honest I didn't think about that, so thanks for argumenting here. (I say tnx since a lot of people on the internet rather get mad, or call me a fool, than having an interesting convo) But then again, there's just so few cash in circulation, and it's still something that our governments can print but also can take out of circulation to a certain degree, so I'm wondering, wouldn't a totalatarian government be able to ban cash overnight? Especially since most people don't have an awfull lot of cash. Aren't we better of trying to guide others into crypto? So that it becomes more mainstream. Personally I'm a crypto believer, gotta be honest tho, I jumped very late on the wagon, and I still gotta learn a ton about it. But me personally I have more believe in stashing my extra money in crypto. (which isn't that much, I don't consider myself poor, but usually I don't have more than a 100 to spare each month) The reasons why I put this money in crypto is not for the potential earnings but just because a) I feel safer have my money on a blockchain instead of cash and b) at least for now the government hasn't really a way of mixing themselves or manipulating the blockchain and c) I sorta hate banks, I know they don't care about my measely 100 euro's but it's just out of principal that I don't wanna put my money on a savings account So I'm pretty sure we have a lot of common ground in our opinions, I just don't see cash as such an important asset and I find it rather inconvenient. What are your thoughts? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]OkeyDokeyWokey 1 point 15 hours ago I’m from Belgium and actually, the biggest problem is that Belgians are too lazy to protest, so the government even doesn’t have to oppress us, when we don’t like a new regulation we go to a pub, drink some beer and whine a whole night to eachother about how unfair stuff is and few weeks later we just comply. Replace beer with coffee and pub with coffeemachine and you got the Dutch situation. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]OkeyDokeyWokey 1 point 15 hours ago People aren’t willing to protest anymore nowadays anyway. Even without the force of CBDCs. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Maleficent-Camel2849 1 point 2 days ago I actually wonder who is paying cash anymore? We use our cards, apple/samsung whatever pay, or we send cash directly to our friends via Twint (swiss version of venmo) permalink embed save report give award reply [–]OkeyDokeyWokey 1 point 15 hours ago Germany is still largely a cash based society. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]The_Materialist -4 points 2 days ago Yeah they smell the right problem but have the solution wrong. Its time to insert plan B in the political discussions I'm having in the next few months agian! permalink embed save report give award reply [–]-SPRENGMEISTER- 23 points 2 days ago Why are so many of us shitting on cash? Cash shouldn't be our enemy, it's the next best thing to Bitcoin and way better than giving even more power to banks, big tech and governments by abolishing it. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ShowtimerHD -4 points 2 days ago Cash is nothing but credit. It’s fake. Not real. No backing. The only true physical currency that will never die is Gold/Silver. That’s why ppl hate cash at least I do because it’s a scam. No one should have left the gold standard to begin with permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Senorinvincible 5 points 2 days ago Cash is very important for privacy permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ShowtimerHD -1 points 2 days ago To some yes but I haven’t used cash in years. I’d rather buy bullions of gold/silver if I’m doing private transactions permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Nuclear_Reserve259 3 points 2 days ago Because it’s completely practical to go to a corner store and buy bread and milk using gold permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ShowtimerHD 1 point 2 days ago So you believe the dollar will last forever and gold/silver will never be used as a currency again? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]-SPRENGMEISTER- 1 point 1 day ago That's not the point. We're talking about how things are now. And now, cash is the only form of money that is both somewhat widely accepted and also not harming your privacy. You can argue about monetary policy all you want (please continue to do so) but that doesn't get you anywhere in everyday real life situations. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ShowtimerHD 1 point 1 day ago That’s my point I’m making. I’m talking when the dollar crashes and goes. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]WeekendQuant 5 points 2 days ago You can back cash with Bitcoin. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ShowtimerHD 1 point 2 days ago Yes but I stay away from the USD if possible. I’m slowly turning my savings into New Zealand currency as that’s where I’m moving next year permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]WeekendQuant 2 points 2 days ago I just don't hold much in cash. Everything is stock, Bitcoin or physical assets. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Stallj 1 point 2 days ago You forgot real estate brother permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]WeekendQuant 1 point 2 days ago Real estate is a physical asset. Real estate doesn't look so hot on a 30 year timeline if we're looking at global population decline though either. Real estate only goes up in value in real terms when there's population growth. There will be pockets of real estate rising in real terms, but that's speculative. Aggregate real estate values should fall in real terms over the long term as long as global population is in decline. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Stallj 1 point 2 days ago Depends on where you purchase it. Also, 80% of the asset is paid for by the renters/tenants. By your logic, stocks will suffer as well due to aggregate demand. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]WeekendQuant 1 point 2 days ago The first sentence is what I meant when I said it's speculative. Actually in my rentals I was collecting 96% of the costs paid by renters. Stocks in aggregate will suffer, but once again speculation can outperform. If you choose new disruptive businesses without the overhead of the legacy businesses, they will be less sensitive to population decline because they won't have excess production capacity or old debt on their books. permalink embed save parent report give award reply continue this thread [–]gvictor808 2 points 2 days ago Would you rather transact in silver/gold? Cash is better…just convert it to something hard before too long. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ShowtimerHD 1 point 2 days ago Honestly yeah for physical only. I’ll never use cash and I despise it. It causes way too many illegal transactions and the cons outweigh the pros for me. Gold/Silver is the only true safe haven in the physical money world and you can’t deny that. The dollar will not be around forever. No currency has been around forever except those two permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]gvictor808 1 point 2 days ago Have you ever actually tried doing this or is this completely in your head? How do you measure purity and mass? It’s completely impractical to try to accept silver/gold as payment. Does Amazon even sell silver/gold purity meters? I guess the scale part is easy, at least. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ShowtimerHD 1 point 2 days ago I buy them from pawn shops. I’ve sold silver to them for goods and some friends but not on major purchases no. I have a flip phone and no longer have any socials regarding this forum on my pc and no streaming services. I’m slowly getting ready to live off grid with crypto. It’s all in a ledger sitting there til I sell then I’m off to New Zealand permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Rasclemonkey 0 points 2 days ago Y’all are fucking idiots for down voting this person. They are absolutely correct permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ShowtimerHD 1 point 2 days ago They don’t want to listen is all but no skin off my bones cause I have the karma to no longer give a fuck Lmao I appreciate you though fellow friend 🖤 permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Rasclemonkey 2 points 2 days ago Absolutely my friend permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]-SPRENGMEISTER- 1 point 1 day ago It may be economically unsustainable and unstable, it may be worthless in the future but it's not fake, it's very real. I can take 50 Euros, go to the supermarket and buy food with it. It's money, it works. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ShowtimerHD 1 point 1 day ago Yes that’s true but on a backing level no sir/ma’am. Everything relies on the dollar today. When that goes goodnight and I’ll be ready to pounce with gold/silver for physical sales permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Ima_Wreckyou 3 points 2 days ago I don't think Bitcoin is ready for mass adoption yet. There is still a lot to do on the technology side of things as well as the asset has to further capitalize and stabilize for it to be acceptable for most people as currency. In the meantime we better try to prevent a CBDC only total surveillance state by making sure cash is always an option. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [+]liquefire81 -9 points 2 days ago "Its for the citizens!" - says the PR "It's for russian ogliarchs + saudis money laundering" - says common sense permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Mediocre_Piccolo8542 1 point 1 day ago That's how things are supposed to work. As much BTC can enrich society, it can not solve problems like entirely corrupt governments doing policies undermining the freedom of an individual. That's also why the entire CBDC debate in this space is so laughable. CBCC's aren't good or bad, but their implementation will highly dependent from the government doing it. That's why a CBDC by a Swiss government will certainly be more citizen friendly than one done by the US government. Meanwhile, the space is poisoned by some awkward views coming from American right-wing podcasters and influencers acting like problems with their government are the case everywhere else, spreading some shitty ideology and capturing BTC to do so. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]JeanLouisMichelredditor for 7 weeks 1 point 1 day ago I sorta understand most peoples arguments against cashless society and all but, in practice would it make so much difference? How many people have the majority of their money in cash? (And I mean people who actualy have money, not poor peasants like me) How many people used cash in a single transaction of over 500$ in the past few years? Pretty sure few regular people with money from normal jobs have their money in cash. Unless it is earned without paying taxes or in the illegal circuit, few people ever do big transactions in cash. Most ATM's in Europe don't even let you cash out more than 700 euro's, and if you do it's already registered anyways. Also, the best criminals and fraudsters stopped using cash long ago. You'd be amazed what a good bookkeaper can do and how many companies transact millions through banks, that appear perfectly regular in the books but are actually just a payment for illegal transactions. I'm not gonna say I have complete faith in governments and all but imho this a more a "pick your battles right" kinda thing. This is just my opinion and I'm very much open to new ideas so, feel free to change my mind. I'm always open to learn new ideas from others, and I genuinely want to understand the arguments against cashless in case I'm totally wrong with my opinion. What exactly should I be scared for if society becomes cashless? Edit: BTW I'm very into crypto and stuff, cause yes governments mess up the monetary system, but this will not change with our without cash. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]CYjgb 1 point 1 day ago Perfect way to fight the Commies!! permalink embed save report give award reply [–]mbrochh 1 point 1 day ago Very surprised by this, given that WEF meets in Davos, Switzerland. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]OkeyDokeyWokey 1 point 15 hours ago Perhaps they know their policies are shit, so they want to be in a safe country. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]GSAT2daMoon 1 point 1 day ago lol. Cashless worldwide in 1 year. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Egw250 1 point 1 day ago must be nice to trigger a vote in a democratic country. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]JjoJjo0JjoJjo 1 point 1 day ago If it does become not cashless will that not fuck over bitcoin? permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Classicpass 1 point 1 day ago The irony permalink embed save report give award reply [–]sakhastan 1 point 1 day ago e-cash permalink embed save report give award reply [–]sakhastan 1 point 1 day ago we should seize all the swiss criminal money permalink embed save report give award reply [+]69hailsatan -5 points 2 days ago Other than emergsncies why the hell do people use cash. It's less convenient, easier to lose, less manageable, and most times you can get some sort of rewards with a card permalink embed save report give award reply [–]l7eadly 5 points 2 days ago I do agree with you but cash leaves no paper trail and you control your funds, not your bank. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Nuclear_Reserve259 2 points 2 days ago It’s more convenient. With card it’s a lot easier to overspend permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]69hailsatan 1 point 2 days ago How so though, I hear this argument a lot. Say you have $500, with cash you go buy something you give them $100 bill and now you see you have $400 left. With a card, you buy something that's $100 you use your card, you can check your app, you see you have $400 permalink embed save parent report give award reply [+][deleted] 2 days ago [deleted] [–]Senorinvincible 4 points 2 days ago Cashless society still means there is cash just virtual which means total control permalink embed save report give award reply