On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 10:17:21 +0200 "Meredith L. Patterson" <mlp@upstandinghackers.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 02:52:37AM +0200, Lodewijk andré de la porte wrote:
Tor is funded by the US government, not the US military per se. The same US gov is funding research and efforts of breaking it.
Yup. Not only that, .
Tor is partially funded by the ¨department of defense¨, former DEPARTMENT OF WAR. That is the fucking US military. Like I said, this mailing list is a joke. Even the neocon washington post has a more sensible view of tor than the resident tor zealots. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/09/06/the-feds-pays-f... ¨Last year, DoD funding accounted for more than 40 percent of the Tor Project's $2 million budget. ¨
Also, neither "government funding" or even "DoD funding" *necessarily* imply that DoD has any say over what ships.
Oh yes, of course, of course. Now that you have made it crystal clear, by divine assertion, I realize just how mistaken Ive been. You are tax parasites on the payroll of the US government, particularly the military, AND ¨freedom fighters¨ Congrats! gov organisations all have their own budgets and
spending authority, most of them don't talk to each other, and a lot of them don't like each other. USG may be a hydra, but it's a hydra whose heads are so badly tied in knots that noticeable things only happen when one of the heads gets itself some wiggle room.
Also, neither "government funding" or even "DoD funding" *necessarily* imply that DoD has any say over what ships. I don't think I'm the only Cyber Fast Track participant on this list, but https://github.com/UpstandingHackers/hammer was funded through CFT, and anyone is welcome to audit the source and read the commit logs; I can tell you who all the committers are, most aren't American, and the ones who are are me and my partner. Our interaction with DoD (or, well, our contract facilitator) consisted of "Here's the latest milestone" --> "make && make check worked, here's the money for that milestone" every few months. That's all.
I hear some variation on the "Tor is a government op!" drum banged every six months or so, so I guess it was time. Can we at least get some variation this time, maybe spin some conspiracy theories about Paul Syverson instead of falling back on that tired old canard about Roger's internship? Or aliens? Working Area51 in would be cool.
(Disclaimer: of course I don't think Syverson is a plant, nor do I think Tor is a honeypot. Do not harass Paul Syverson or his family, or the least I will do will be to throw a habanero martini in your face.)
Cheers, --mlp