You are free to do WHATEVER YOU WANT with your money and the state has NO BUSINESS interfering with this fundamental right (self.Bitcoin) by HumbleBitcoinPleb This is one of Bitcoin's main value proposition. Your money is your money and you can do whatever you want with it. Same goes with any other of your private property, for example your TV or your coffee table. If you want to exchange your bottle of water for an apple with someone else, who is anyone to say that you can't? You might be wondering... What if you want to do something illegal with your money? For example: hiring a hitman to kill an innocent person? Then this is how it should be: You hire a hitman. Someone finds out. You get punished (you go to jail or you get killed in revenge by a victim's family member). This is how it should NOT be: You ask the state permission to spend your money. You demonstrate to the state with paperwork that you're not going to use this money for illegal purposes. Then you go ahead and hire the hitman anyway using cash or any other method. See the difference? Let me give you another example: Imagine the state wants to reduce rape cases. In order to do that, they pass a bill stating that going forward every time two persons want to engage in a sexual relationship they need to fill out a government form stating that they both consent to this act. If you have sex without filling out this form, you're commiting a crime. Do you see how ridiculous this is? This is exactly what they do with your money whenever you want to send a wire transfer of $20k to someone else. You need to "ask permission" first. Please stop simping for the governmet to make bitcoin legal tender. The entire point of bitcoin is that we don't need government's permission to use our money. 56 comments share save hide report all 56 comments sorted by: best Want to add to the discussion? Post a comment! [–]HurricaneHarvey7 22 points 7 hours ago I love how some people get mad at me for saving in a currency of my choice. Like, they are extremely offended by it. It's hilarious. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]RonPaulWasR1ght 4 points an hour ago Ever go onto the r/Wallstreetsilver sub? They are like, INSANELY jealous of Bitcoin. They are letting it live in their heads rent effing free. They love to threw terms around like "crypto baggies", they make no distinction between crypto and Bitcoin. Yeah, it's real. People get mad because you want to save in what you want. It just kind of reaffirms that this is the way. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Umpire_State_Bldgredditor for 3 months 18 points 8 hours ago You're going to love CDBC. /s Bankers, not elected officials will run the CDBC money. They will soon dictate: * How much you are allowed to be paid * From whom you are allowed to be paid * Where you are allowed to spend * Which kinds of things you are allowed to buy * Whether you're allowed to participate in the economy at all (suppose you said something on-line and they didn't like it, like this post I'm typing, for example) CDBC money will have expiration dates. For example, spend it within 9 weeks or lose it. You'll never be able to save up for anything; they won't let you. Eventually, it will get to the point where if they catch you trying to resist, they'll banish from the economy with the click of a button. I'm talking about real tyranny by actual sociopaths with ultimate power. Do you know what "sociopath" means? You and everybody you know will become the "property" of the most uncaring, cruel, and selfish people. They will violate all of your rights, at will, even your right to life if it suits them. Do you want to be stuck in such a situation? permalink embed save report give award reply [–]x2c3v4b5 6 points 4 hours ago Bitcoin is freedom money. People in Nigeria are already rejecting the use of CBDCs there and they are destroying fiat trashcoin ATMs. Long live Bitcoin, fuck 99.9999% of all crypto-trash projects and fuck fiat proof-of-stake virtual/shitcoin that can be printed to infinite. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]whitslack 0 points an hour ago they are destroying fiat trashcoin ATMs. I suspect they're destroying Bitcoin ATMs as well. Mob mentality is not so discriminating. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]x2c3v4b5 1 point an hour ago I don’t know if they are destroying Bitcoin ATMs because the Nigerians are trying to resist the CBDCs and actually use Bitcoin instead since the CBDCs have several rules and limitations such as how much you can use and when whereas Bitcoin is permissionless and censorship resistant. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]godofleet 9 points 6 hours ago CBDCs are the "guilty until proven innocent" of money. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]rtheiss 6 points 7 hours ago So anyway I started blastin’ permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Big_Papa_Bear_ 1 point 6 hours ago CBDC. Central bank digital currency. Not CDBC. Keep spreading the message man! permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Umpire_State_Bldgredditor for 3 months 1 point 5 hours ago Yes. I was careless. Thank you! permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Sofa_king_disco [score hidden] 9 minutes ago I don't see this degree of blatant authoritarianism being possible in democratic systems. The political process has issues, undoubtedly. But we can be certain that elections still fundamentally matter in the western democracies, for one undeniable reason... because billions of dollars are spent every year on political campaigns, to get votes. If elections were meaningless shams, and the people had no real power over the system, then that money would not be being spent. Nobody spends billions of dollars on nothing. Regardless of what motivations or ambitions certain factions might have, they still need the public to vote their people into office. And nobody would vote for the things you're describing. The only way this would be possible is if there was also a coup that had military support. And I don't see any reason to believe that's a plausible/likely scenario in the US, or the other major western democracies. I don't like the prospect of CBDCs, and I do believe there are real threats to personal freedom and privacy that could arise from them. But the kind of extreme and blatant authoritarianism you're describing will not be plausible in democratic societies where elections are still the fundamental process from which political power is derived. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]meatismoydelicious 0 points 6 hours ago Central Digital Bank Currencies 😂 permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Umpire_State_Bldgredditor for 3 months 0 points 5 hours ago Yes. I messed up. Thank you! permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Abundance144 5 points 5 hours ago I think we'd both agree that you don't have the right to commit crimes with your money. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]GUNTHVGK 2 points 3 hours ago Crimes is a pretty arbitrary term permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Abundance144 3 points 3 hours ago* Regardless, the definition of a right falls outside of what is defined as a crime. Edit: And what is a crime isn't arbitrary at all. Choosing what is a crime is arbitrary but the existence or none-existance of the crime is objectively written into law. The morally or legality of the law creating the crime is a different story all together. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]91Caleb -1 points 5 hours ago Every day a new idiot posting making themselves like dumber than the last permalink embed save report give award reply [–]StanleeMann 0 points 4 hours ago I see a new generation of libertarians are demanding the right to hire hitmen. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Explodicle [score hidden] an hour ago In the 90's they were "demanding the right to libel" with an unmoderated web. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]StanleeMann [score hidden] 49 minutes ago That was more a computer geek thing TBH, most people had barely interacted with the internet in the 90s. Myspace and later Facebook was an 00s thing. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]yazalama [score hidden] 54 minutes ago It's only the dishonest cheerleaders of authoritarianism who purposely make strawmen like this because they purposely don't want to admit they hate freedom. Crawl back into your hole maggot. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]StanleeMann [score hidden] 52 minutes ago lmao @ this nerd permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]IndependentSwan2086 1 point 4 hours ago Yes!!! Love the statement ! And for those who don't, well, there's always North Korea! permalink embed save report give award reply [–]messonpurpose 1 point 3 hours ago If CBDCs are implemented and they will effectively eliminate the cash economy and people will definitely be looking for other avenues for anonymous transacting. Since bitcoin uses a public ledger it will be pretty easy for the powers that be to piece together which wallets belong to whom. So, I don't see how bitcoin could serve this purpose. Am I missing something? permalink embed save report give award reply [–]riisen [score hidden] 53 minutes ago Bitcoin is pseudo anonymous. Meaning anyone can create a wallet, and without you telling anyone that this is my wallet, nobody would know An exchange is very much not anonymous they know exactly who you are, and when you buy from an exchange goverment can know that you bought it, if the exchange gave them the information (which they do) When you send it from an exchange to a private wallet they can guess that this is his private wallet Mixing bitcoins is about generating several wallets and move bitcoin so they dont know if you did give away or bought something cause it was sent to wallet they know nothing about. You can also buy bitcoin from a private person to a wallet you have created and no goverment would know.. Unless you tell them. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]liberty4u2 [score hidden] 5 minutes ago Your missing the part where when they bring out the CBDC they say “Bitcoin is illegal” permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]acj21 -1 points 4 hours ago Except we all use publicly funded services… so there’s that. permalink embed save report give award reply [+]The_whimsical1 -6 points 6 hours ago Your money is made in country x. You use the resources and infrastructure of country x to make that money. You have a police force protecting you. You have a legal system protecting your contracts. You now want to remove your money from country x. No problem. Pay your taxes on exiting. Bitcoin is something else. If it’s about tax evasion it’s got no credible future. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]HumbleBitcoinPleb[S] 4 points 6 hours ago I don't think you understood my post. My post has nothing to do with taxes. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [+]The_whimsical1 -6 points 6 hours ago So what is your point? That governments can’t determine how money is moved from one jurisdiction to another? How does that make sense? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]HumbleBitcoinPleb[S] 7 points 5 hours ago My point is that we don't need governments to make bitcoin legal. We don't need their permission. You can freely transact with anyone in the world using bitcoin and that's what makes it valuable. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]norfbayboy 4 points 5 hours ago So what is your position? That governments can determine how money is moved from one jurisdiction to another? How does that make sense? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]yazalama [score hidden] 50 minutes ago Government doesn't provide services or give people money because everything it redistributes comes from taxpayers. The infrastructure, courts, police all belong to us taxpayers. The only difference is unlike any other service you pay for, there is no opt-out option and they'll throw you in a cage or murder you if you resist. Don't fall for the trap of believing government helped you by buying you crutches with your money after they broke your legs. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]CypherMcAfee -4 points 7 hours ago your actually wrong. If you even try to do/create a BUSINESS and accept crypto as payments the state will tax you on them as well, at least if you want to have a legit and legal BUSINESS. And the state at least in here in europe will tax you heavily if you choose to acept crypto into your business/services, making this not even viable as an option, and this is why everyone still acepts cash on their businesses and services because they dont want to pay a huge chunk of their profits to the State and physical money allows them to avoid this situation. So the state has a rigth to interfere in your business, it also currently can control your businesses acount/credit cards at banks to know how much your making and to check if your doing tax fraud, and this is another reason why small and medium size businesses owners still prefer physical cash or so called FIAT. And have you ever hear about CBDC'S? yes their coming. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]HumbleBitcoinPleb[S] 4 points 7 hours ago It is irrelevant if the state allows me to use bitcoin or not. It is irrelevant if the state taxes me or not. They have no business telling anyone what they can or cannot do with their money. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]cryptoripto123 1 point 3 hours ago They have no business telling anyone what they can or cannot do with their money. Please explain to the world why the state has no business telling you that you can funnel money, whether fiat or Bitcoin to ISIS. I'm sure you'll end up taking that L all the way to jail. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]CypherMcAfee -3 points 7 hours ago wrong. You for ure arent a business owner and never had any business. The state controls you and your money, specially in this CBDC'S ERA. You can figth that for sure but your wrong dude. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]HumbleBitcoinPleb[S] 4 points 7 hours ago I never said the state didn't control money. I said the state has no right to control your money, just like they don't have any right controlling what you do in your bedroom with your girlfriend or wife. Just because they do something doesn't mean it's right. And I've been a business owner since 2009. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]CypherMcAfee -3 points 6 hours ago so know you realized your in the wrong here. They control you, control your money and your business as well, and this situation will not change and will just get worse over time. Having the rigth or not , is another thing, but Bitcoin wont solve this, as Bitcoin transactions arent private and you can still be tracked and controlled, and they can still know how much Bitcoin you own and tax you on it. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]HumbleBitcoinPleb[S] 2 points 6 hours ago No government can stop me from sending 1 BTC to someone in other country. Thanks for trying. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]cryptoripto123 1 point 3 hours ago So please send 1 BTC to ISIS and tell me how that goes. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]riisen [score hidden] 24 minutes ago You dont have any right to demand or control where and to whom he sends his coins. I highly doubt he would just send it to isis, but he could do that without bitcoin as well. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]CypherMcAfee 0 points 6 hours ago i didnt said that. I said they can know how much you own, how much you send, receive. thats not private information. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]HumbleBitcoinPleb[S] 1 point 6 hours ago My post is about censorship resistance, not privacy or taxes. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]CypherMcAfee 4 points 6 hours ago mate Bitcoin isnt private. so how are you figthing or resisting censorship with Btc if they can still control by finding how much you own, send, receive???? your post makes no sense at all. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]HumbleBitcoinPleb[S] 3 points 6 hours ago Anyone in the world can hire me to make a website for them, pay me in bitcoin, and there's nothing any government can do about it. Just a few weeks ago someone from another country paid me in bitcoin to help them set up a website. We didn't have to ask permission to any government or bank. permalink embed save parent report give award reply continue this thread [–]B4RF 0 points 6 hours ago I remember some state introduced such a form to consent to sex so that no one can file a rape case or something like that. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]heyitscory 0 points 3 hours ago Awesome. 6.3 BTC on the Cheifs to beat the spread. YOLO. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Typesh055 [score hidden] 56 minutes ago I dont ask anyone permission to send a wire, I go to the bank, fill out a form and it’s sent.