" . . . I'm saying something that doesn't make sense here. I'm warning you because you asked for rational expressions long ago.. . . " Pure projection since you're the one whose said quite firmly this list needs crypto while I routinely stress its about ( occasionally irrational) anarchism. " . . . To me it seems the cypherpunks here are gone, and we are still trying to influence them, when they are not here.. . " The ones who thought the focus needed to be more on crypto left us for Perry. The cryptography list. You may want to influence them. I say to Hell with those Nerds. " . . This makes us the punks in question, where the utility is the situation of channeling influence: what do we do with it? We verify instead of trust. Claims about indescribable phenomena cant be verified. You're on the wrong list, mate. Happy trails.