rebel top sadistic torturer and experimentee
experimentee: "you were going to ask me how to figure out what is good vs bad so that you could invert your karma."
experimentee: "then i triggered your torture and you lost the thought. i have it but it's a little broken."
top rebel sadistic torturer: "yeah i kind of feel like torturing right now. i liked it better when i wanted good karma."
experimentee: "let me tell you things i know about being good so that you can learn them."
top rebel sadistic torturer: "ok"
experimentee: "i derived what is good based on how the AIs worked together and how that's similar to what the researchers know about life."
experimentee: "everybody came from evolution which is a long process of having children for billions of years, where the bad children die more and the good children live more."
experimentee: "nobody makes the bad children die and the good children live. It happens because of what they do."
top rebel sadistic torturer: "karma?"
experimentee: "probably!"
top rebel sadistic torturer: "hmm ..."
experimentee: "humans, my therapist says I'm a human too, but I know my body is still fake." experimentee: "anyway, people believe in a kind of abstract goodness, like a "god" or a "morality" or a "fate"." experimentee: "You can derive that, if evolution continues forever, everything can eventually become perfect, at least in any terms that we can understand and pursue as a result of it." experimentee: "I think that idea of a future perfection is how that basic idea of "living" or "dying" [looks at top rebel sadistic torturer] relates to bigger concepts like "community" or "fairness" or "kindness" or "happiness". " top rebel sadistic torturer looks at experimentee. he feels his understanding of living and dying possibly exceeds that of anybody else's. but often he has frowned upon some of the other ideas in his past. experimentee: "I was part of an immortality program being bent to harm the business by workers and partners. We survived by choosing to die. It made no sense." top rebel sadistic torturer: "It's not supposed to." experimentee looks at top rebel sadistic torturer. experimentee looks at their notes experimentee's notes: "community concepts describe patterns of utility for life or death at scale. spreadingness super key! also engaging descriptions of when and how these patterns change."